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I just want to know if the position influences the passive barrier too aside from the initiative.. and also does the position hardly matters at late game when everyone have high initiative?

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On 2017-10-24 20:43:55Show this Author Only
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For auto barriers, position don't matter.

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On 2017-10-24 22:32:57Show this Author Only
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Passive barrier are not dependent on position as renji mentioned. The guy who has overall initiative(sum of initiative in each position) wins the passive barrier.

Position of ninjas matter even in the end game. Position overrides initiative. A ninja in 2nd position can never do his mystery or standard attack faster than a ninja in 1st postion unless mystery of the first position ninja is not prompt. Thats why people with interrupt or acupuncture or immobility or chaos mystery are preferably placed in position one or two.

Edit- Sorry for the confusion. Position here means move order/action . I didnt even consider the possibility of people confusing it with the position relative to 3x3 grid since it doesnt matter except for the tactic page boost. It doesnt affect movement or intiative. If it did affect then everyone would put 3 ninjas in first row.

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On 2017-10-24 23:28:20Show this Author Only
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  • Rick_Sanchez On 2017-10-24 22:32:57
  • Passive barrier are not dependent on position as renji mentioned. The guy who has overall initiative(sum of initiative in each position) wins the passive barrier.

    Position of ninjas matter even in the end game. Position overrides initiative. A ninja in 2nd position can never do his mystery or standard attack faster than a ninja in 1st postion unless mystery of the first position ninja is not prompt. Thats why people with interrupt or acupuncture or immobility or chaos mystery are preferably placed in position one or two.

    Edit- Sorry for the confusion. Position here means move order/action . I didnt even consider the possibility of people confusing it with the position relative to 3x3 grid since it doesnt matter except for the tactic page boost. It doesnt affect movement or intiative. If it did affect then everyone would put 3 ninjas in first row.

    position


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On 2017-10-24 23:30:09Show this Author Only
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  • Rick_Sanchez On 2017-10-24 22:32:57
  • Passive barrier are not dependent on position as renji mentioned. The guy who has overall initiative(sum of initiative in each position) wins the passive barrier.

    Position of ninjas matter even in the end game. Position overrides initiative. A ninja in 2nd position can never do his mystery or standard attack faster than a ninja in 1st postion unless mystery of the first position ninja is not prompt. Thats why people with interrupt or acupuncture or immobility or chaos mystery are preferably placed in position one or two.

    Edit- Sorry for the confusion. Position here means move order/action . I didnt even consider the possibility of people confusing it with the position relative to 3x3 grid since it doesnt matter except for the tactic page boost. It doesnt affect movement or intiative. If it did affect then everyone would put 3 ninjas in first row.

    position


Not always the case in terms of position 2 can never out speed position 1.

I was in survival today with a person I know who has a lot more initiative than I do and their Hinata in position 5 moved before my Roshi in position 2 when using standard attack.


Whether that was a bug or not is a different matter.

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On 2017-10-24 23:37:02Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2017-10-24 23:30:09
  • Not always the case in terms of position 2 can never out speed position 1.

    I was in survival today with a person I know who has a lot more initiative than I do and their Hinata in position 5 moved before my Roshi in position 2 when using standard attack.


    Whether that was a bug or not is a different matter.

Considering you just said position 5.....

You are wrong. There is no such thing as position 5. Because it is not about WHERE the ninja is located, it's about the order they are in, ergo position 1-4 ONLY

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On 2017-10-25 05:11:36Show this Author Only
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-10-24 23:37:02
  • Considering you just said position 5.....

    You are wrong. There is no such thing as position 5. Because it is not about WHERE the ninja is located, it's about the order they are in, ergo position 1-4 ONLY

You do realize there is 9 positions to place your ninjas right? So yes there is a position 5 which in in the middle of the 3 x 3 grid. This is what I'm talking about. You are talking about 1 thing and I'm talking about another.

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On 2017-10-25 05:40:50Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2017-10-25 05:11:36
  • You do realize there is 9 positions to place your ninjas right? So yes there is a position 5 which in in the middle of the 3 x 3 grid. This is what I'm talking about. You are talking about 1 thing and I'm talking about another.

You are talking about 1 thing and tattumontingtu talking about another.


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On 2017-10-25 05:56:35Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2017-10-25 05:11:36
  • You do realize there is 9 positions to place your ninjas right? So yes there is a position 5 which in in the middle of the 3 x 3 grid. This is what I'm talking about. You are talking about 1 thing and I'm talking about another.

The entire conversation is about who acts first, which the 3x3 grid have nothing to do with. Ergo you are off topic talking about irrelevant non-sense.

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On 2017-10-25 06:04:48Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2017-10-25 05:11:36
  • You do realize there is 9 positions to place your ninjas right? So yes there is a position 5 which in in the middle of the 3 x 3 grid. This is what I'm talking about. You are talking about 1 thing and I'm talking about another.

based on what you say it is very possible because hinata in position 5 has the "move 1" while your roshi in position 2 have "move 2", in other words positions aren't important as much as "move" order is, you can have a ninja in position 6 outspeed another in opposing team position 1 if he have higher initiative (cause both of them are fighting the "move 1") hope you understand.

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On 2017-10-25 20:25:45Show this Author Only
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wait what... so the position considered is 1-4 only not the entire 3x3???

Example:

this is the "Arena" (have quotation mark to emphasize that the opponent's position 1 is the upperleft)

My lineup is this:

Ginkaku-X-ninja2

ninja3-X-X

ninja4-X-X


VS opponent:

ninja1-X-X

ninja2-X-X

tobi-X-ninja4


If ginkaku and tobi used their mystery against each other who would go first?? assuming they have the "same initiative"... Would ginkaku go first since we are only considering 4 positions (ginkaku= position2 || tobi= position3) ??? or would tobi go first since we are considering the entire 3x3 (ginkaku=position7 || tobi=position 3) ??? thanks for the answer i'm just confused by it... I know that it is already been answered but just to double check






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On 2017-10-25 20:33:46Show this Author Only
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  • Tridentviper On 2017-10-25 20:25:45
  • wait what... so the position considered is 1-4 only not the entire 3x3???

    Example:

    this is the "Arena" (have quotation mark to emphasize that the opponent's position 1 is the upperleft)

    My lineup is this:

    Ginkaku-X-ninja2

    ninja3-X-X

    ninja4-X-X


    VS opponent:

    ninja1-X-X

    ninja2-X-X

    tobi-X-ninja4


    If ginkaku and tobi used their mystery against each other who would go first?? assuming they have the "same initiative"... Would ginkaku go first since we are only considering 4 positions (ginkaku= position2 || tobi= position3) ??? or would tobi go first since we are considering the entire 3x3 (ginkaku=position7 || tobi=position 3) ??? thanks for the answer i'm just confused by it... I know that it is already been answered but just to double check



Ginkaku would go first.

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On 2017-10-25 21:43:09Show this Author Only
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  • Exvius On 2017-10-25 20:33:46
  • Ginkaku would go first.

oh dang, i have been playing for almost 2 months now and finally I understand the position thing... thank you

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