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[PVP] Explain! Initiative Issue!
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So we meet again... Anyway this happened to me too and here's what I noticed: The one I faced against is waaaay lower in initiative in terms of position 1 but he has me outclassed in positions 2-4. So that might be the case for you as well. Kindly check his other positions as well because in survival trial and matsuri, the equipment stats get mixed around (to what degree, I don't know). If that's not the case, then there might be other problems that someone more knowledgeable might be able to explain.
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Picklejuicy
2019-04-13 05:11:41

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What I initially wanted to be a fun debate has turned into an itachi nonsense war. Please remove or close the thread. I'm not even going to respond anymore. All these head canons being thrown. I just wanted to move past itachi and go on to other characters more fun to talk about like minato against the raikage, onoki, or maybe even hiruzen. But darn, always itachi. Sick of it.
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xxMihai
2019-04-11 01:32:26

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my god, you just literaly rephrased what I just said. That. Is. My. Point. Itachi didn't want to win. He wanted naruto to win. And although you could argue he was holding back, it isn't really by much since he still has no control over his movements. If he did, he would have just stopped moving to let naruto hit him. I am trying to say that the raikage can move around fast enough to get behind the susanoo and pierce it from thereeeeeeeee. The raikage would hit the mirror once and realize it's impenetrable and would just adjust his strategy to move behind itachi and strike.
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xxMihai
2019-04-11 01:32:26

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I agree. I was looking for a fun debate but has turned into *l out war to defend itachi's honor. Literally, there are lots of other characters that can be mentioned to beat the raikage but all focus is on itachi. And lots of opinions and head canon are being used instead of actual feats. To admins, kindly close the thread. It is too much now.
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xxMihai
2019-04-11 01:32:26

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He didn't dodge kirin, he blocked it just in time to not let himself be killed. Go rewatch that episode and you can see that although he was still alive, he took substantial damage from blocking it since the area that kirin covered is larger than the yata mirror can cover. Also, a lot of the characters are FASTER than lightning. Kakashi is faster than lightning, sasuke is faster, the raikage is definitely faster than lightning.
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xxMihai
2019-04-11 01:32:26

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1. No. Totsuka blade can't seal inorganic material. Only organic ones like humans or animals. It is not going to absorb madara's meteors I don't even know where you got that from. 2. Yata mirror is not omni-directional. It can only defend in one direction at once. If he gets hit with anything like a tailed beast bomb or like the aforementioned meteor, he is going to die. 3. Faster than anyone? Have you seen minato? Or KCM 2 naruto? You put too much confidence in itachi's speed when the best thing he has shown is a higher level of body flicker. Please, do show me where you got the statement that he can beat anyone by standing still. 4. He only used crow clones early on in shippuden. In the war arc, where most of the characters are above lightning speed, he doesn't use them anymore since it won't even work anymore. It's a subtle use of substitution jutsu that uses crows. It relies on speed. There's a reason why he isn't shown using it anymore in the war arc and that's because anyone who is fast enough isn't going to fall for it.
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xxMihai
2019-04-11 01:32:26

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What are you talking about. Itachi didn't have the option to "hold back" in the fight because he was being controlled by kabuto. He didn't want to fight naruto but had no choice because kabuto wanted him to. When kabuto gave the order to attack, the best that itachi could do was to shout warnings at naruto about what he was going to use to attack next. And we're talking about speed here. I'm saying itachi has neither the capability nor ability to dodge a full speed assault from the third raikage. And you're saying the only version of naruto that can beat itachi is six paths mode? Are you forgetting about kcm2 cloak naruto? kcm 1 is already on par if not superior to itachi going by feats alone. Naruto, when using the full speed of his kcm, was faster than the 3rd raikage but even he admits that it's pointless since his attacks can't damage the raikage.
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xxMihai
2019-04-11 01:32:26

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Good point. I should have stated that in the beginning. If they were to engage in their edo tensei form, it would really be a stalemate with itachi having a really low chance of hitting the raikage with the totsuka. Like I keep saying with the others, itachi has never shown a feat that can prove he could swing the blade fast enough to hit someone as fast as the third raikage (he might be able to but I go by what is seen in the manga and anime). But I do agree that if the battle rages on for too long then itachi might eventually get lucky and hit the raikage with the blade, in which case he wins. But for the sake of it let's disregard the time difference and put up itachi at his prime against the third raikage at his prime as well During his prime, itachi was shown to be able to toy around with orochimaru, fend off yagura in his perfect jinchuriki form, and beat kisame in a sparring match (filler only). While the third raikage battled with the eight tales, and also battled with thousands of shinobi for three days straight before finally collapsing from exhaustion. Even in their alive forms, itachi wouldn't be able to do much to the raikage because compared to his edo tensei form, which had unlimited chakra, he had his sickness to hinder him when he was alive and wouldn't be able to maintain the susanoo for too long while the raikage is an absolute monster with enough chakra to keep fighting for three days without rest. Either the raikage blitzes him before he can even ponder using the susanoo or the raikage outlasts him.
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xxMihai
2019-04-11 01:32:26

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What?? no itachi was not sick which is what made his edo tensei form so formidable, because he wasn't coughing up blood each time he uses a jutsu. And I am giving out scenarios on why I think what I think while you're just basing off of vague opinions you have about the character. Show me statements or proof that itachi can pull it off. btw, you saying "faster than you think" is really vague. Unless you can show me proof that itachi can move faster than the raikage and react the same way naruto did against the raikage, then I stand by what I said.
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xxMihai
2019-04-11 01:32:26

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Where did you get that itachi is far far stronger than naruto at kcm? Naruto was holding back against him during their fight to tell him about sasuke. If he had gone full speed, itachi would have gotten overwhelmed. And the fourth and third use practically the same lightning armor jutsu, just that the third is far more superior to the fourth. This was stated. I use it to compare because itachi and sasuke have the same level of visual prowess (both using mangekyou) and the specific point I was bringing up is the speed blitz that sasuke had to endure before he caught the raikage in his blaze release susanoo armor. I specifically pointed out that sasuke couldn't keep track of the fourth's speed. Ergo, the third who is even faster would be too much for itachi to keep track of. Now, if you're going to argue that itachi's visual prowess is greater than sasuke's then please name a scenario where that was stated or shown. Because as it was shown in the mange and anime, pretty much every sharingan provides the same boost in visual capabilities. It's just a matter of by how much it boosts the person's base. edit: sasuke and itachi's style are not that far off. Itachi literally passed his powers on to sasuke. The only outlier is the totsuka and yata mirror which he kept for himself. edit edit: and like I already mentioned as well, the rasenshuriken did nothing. It didn't damage the raikage. That's the point I'm trying to make here. If one of the strongest wind techniques coming from a KCM amped naruto didn't damage the raikage, I don't see itachi dishing out a technique that can damage the raikage either (since he has never shown a technqiue with the same level of destructive power as the rasenshuriken. Except maybe for yasaka magatama)
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xxMihai
2019-04-11 01:32:26

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