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On 2019-04-10 20:16:05Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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^ This is me.

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^ This is my opponent.

She has about 3000 less initiative than I do. In Survival Trial she appears to have more initiative than me and her Water Main does the Cancer Attack with the dogs/shark and chaos every time. Now it's not a big deal since I stomp her team anyway, but I believe in Matsuri it's the same difference, and that is a big nerf given to me. Please explain WHY it is this way, and FIX it already! I posted similar threads in suggestions but nobody cares!

I don't spend on initiative to have a beginner attack before me! Also I have the best treasure tool on pos1, so don't talk about that.





This post was last edited by xxMihai on 2019-04-10 20:16:05.
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On 2019-04-10 20:28:03Show this Author Only
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So we meet again... Anyway this happened to me too and here's what I noticed:


The one I faced against is waaaay lower in initiative in terms of position 1 but he has me outclassed in positions 2-4. So that might be the case for you as well. Kindly check his other positions as well because in survival trial and matsuri, the equipment stats get mixed around (to what degree, I don't know). If that's not the case, then there might be other problems that someone more knowledgeable might be able to explain.

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On 2019-04-10 20:37:45Show this Author Only
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In survival trial, like in every other feature where you can't select your equipment, you have equipped on your ninjas your by default placed equipment.

To know what is your by default equipment just remove all the gear from your ninjas and move your main, then add a ninja. The equipment your main will have on himself will be the equipment your move 1 in those features have, the equipment your ninja will have will be the gear your move 2 will have and so on.

The only exception to this is arena, but only because your main is there by default, so that stat is what your main will have there and the stats the 2nd ninja owns will be the stats your move 1 there will have (for initiative only in this case).




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2019-04-10 20:44:42.
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  • Scarlettblue On 2019-04-10 20:37:45
  • In survival trial, like in every other feature where you can't select your equipment, you have equipped on your ninjas your by default placed equipment.

    To know what is your by default equipment just remove all the gear from your ninjas and move your main, then add a ninja. The equipment your main will have on himself will be the equipment your move 1 in those features have, the equipment your ninja will have will be the gear your move 2 will have and so on.

    The only exception to this is arena, but only because your main is there by default, so that stat is what your main will have there and the stats the 2nd ninja owns will be the stats your move 1 there will have (for initiative only in this case).

I did exactly that and this is what turned out. The ninja I added second was 6.3k even if my position 2 is 8k+, because of the treasure tool mainly. So pretty close overall.

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By the way that water main has less initiative than me on every single position. I'm 169k and she is 120k lol... It's not even a debate.




This post was last edited by xxMihai on 2019-04-11 02:04:54.
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Results without treasure tools (so -2.6k ini on main that I would of got from rope)


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On 2019-04-10 22:08:14Show this Author Only
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Opponents in survival trial get boosted. The stats they have there are not their true stats in the game.

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On 2019-04-10 23:02:17Show this Author Only
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your initiative in Matsuri, Survival Trial and Arena(s) are base on your overall initiative divided evenly between your positions then add treasure tools for each position so either that player has more overall initiative or a better position 1 treasure tool or both.

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  • Shinobigami On 2019-04-10 23:02:17
  • your initiative in Matsuri, Survival Trial and Arena(s) are base on your overall initiative divided evenly between your positions then add treasure tools for each position so either that player has more overall initiative or a better position 1 treasure tool or both.

She has 5927, 5685, 10874 and 6849 initiative.

I have 6356, 5922, 13416 and 8636 initiative.

I believe my treasure tools are stronger as well, especially the one on position 1. Since I have 169k power and she has 129k power.

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On 2019-04-11 07:26:48Show this Author Only
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this happens to me in both matsuri and survival. On matsuri i've tried so many things to fix it and it just doesn't work

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On 2019-04-11 08:26:50Show this Author Only
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Maybe network problem? I also have the same experience. But all I can think is theres some kind of delay on me(crap internet).

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On 2019-04-11 11:01:23Show this Author Only
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  • goalie720 On 2019-04-10 22:08:14
  • Opponents in survival trial get boosted. The stats they have there are not their true stats in the game.

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On 2019-04-11 14:52:04Show this Author Only
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You also need to check your assists link cards etc, with the Set Team you have before you enter Survival or Matsuri.

They assign to per set teams in your Ninja tab.

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On 2019-04-11 16:35:36Show this Author Only
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If you are talking about ultimate Survival Trial then its normal for your opponent to be faster. Especially the 80 and 60 points fights. Oasis made it like that. All their stats are boosted.





This post was last edited by Aca1902 on 2019-04-11 18:54:33.
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On 2019-04-11 16:41:53Show this Author Only
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  • Shinobigami On 2019-04-10 23:02:17
  • your initiative in Matsuri, Survival Trial and Arena(s) are base on your overall initiative divided evenly between your positions then add treasure tools for each position so either that player has more overall initiative or a better position 1 treasure tool or both.

Yes, i heard that legend too. This statement comes from the devs jiburiru an co. asked to when a lot of weird behaviors happened in arena and matsuri in the old past, at the time when barriers meant everything in arena, and they gave to the mods and so to us this explanation you take for granted is true too, then 3vs3 arena appeared and showed blatantly how this is not true, even if was pretty clear also before from matsuri, simply taking a look at what happened to some whales you met there that had move 1 that landed close to no damage and move 2 or 3 that critted almost always with a 2.5x or higher damage multiplier in comparison with the not critical damage (something that indeed is normal it happens if injury is spreaded...).

The only part that is spreaded in matsuri are magatamas and runes, but not refinements and charm levels, that are specifically linked and unremovable to the specific piece of gear.

Otherwise explain to me how is possible that somebody with almost 15k total initiative lower than me moves before me in 3vs3 arena (and beware i have a triple level 15 tool in move 1 and level 9 assist links).




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On 2019-04-11 16:49:41Show this Author Only
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  • xxMihai On 2019-04-11 02:03:04
  • She has 5927, 5685, 10874 and 6849 initiative.

    I have 6356, 5922, 13416 and 8636 initiative.

    I believe my treasure tools are stronger as well, especially the one on position 1. Since I have 169k power and she has 129k power.

Then the reason is the one they told you. Survival trial ultimate mode grants a boost to secondary stats to your enemy, it's just that i never noticed it, because I've always moved before the same. Pretty sure is something that came out with 5.0




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2019-04-11 16:55:23.
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On 2019-04-11 22:41:41Show this Author Only
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Here is how init works in survival, it works this way from day one of the game and it won't be getting changed, so there is nothing to fix you just have to get round the system.


Your enemy has his normal stats, as is show on highscores.


To find out your stats remove your ninja tools, and your init together, then divide it by 4. This will be your init on every position in survival + the ninja tool you add on it

For example you have 6000 + 5000 + 11000 + 7000 init without ninja tools, that will be 29000, divided by 4 you will have 7250 on every position, add your best ninja tool for 3000 and you will have 10250 initiave in survival, while normaly you would have 11000+3000 = 14000. This is why you are slower on move 1 but probably faster on rest, because it evens out your initiaitive, it also works exact same way in matsuri and in arena but in those modes it also evens out your oponents init not just yours. Pretty much everybody who stack their move 1 a lot will notice this in survival at one point.

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On 2019-04-12 00:54:29Show this Author Only
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  • xxMihai On 2019-04-11 02:03:04
  • She has 5927, 5685, 10874 and 6849 initiative.

    I have 6356, 5922, 13416 and 8636 initiative.

    I believe my treasure tools are stronger as well, especially the one on position 1. Since I have 169k power and she has 129k power.

you'd be surprised how much initiative treasured tools put out. someone in my server has 80k bp less than me and I was @200k, he also had way less overall initiative and was still faster than me in survival trial, but in feeding all my resources into my position 1 treasured tool I ended up being faster in survival. just focus on your position 1 treasure tool is my advice (it should be a rope btw).

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On 2019-04-13 05:11:40Show this Author Only
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I can give you an easy example of position 1 going first, but position 2 goes second. Player A position team 10k/8k/7k/6k. Player B team 6k/10k/6k/6k. Don't bet on these exact numbers it is just my theory on how the math works behind the scene. The % carried over from round to round I don't know, but gives you a general idea, I think 10% is the base, and can be raised through 5 nature chakra.

Position 1 - A>B 10k>6K

Position 2 - B>A, A = 8k + (10k*10%) = 9k, B = 10k + (6k *10%) = 10.6k

This can be a strategy for people who know they will always lose speed battle on position 1. Most likely the player has stacked position 2 (their water main), for the best chance to cause chaos and do damage.

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