hold theeee *xtentaction up are you smoking right now ...

sasuke was about to put narutos dreams and little aspirations to waste with indras arrow and then kurama gave him nature energy and it countered sasuke and took them both out and it was a ton load of nature energy too and the losing of their arm was also sasukes doing the Amaterasu burn off their arm a normal rasengan + lighten blade couldn't do that and I want you to keep in mind he only has 1 rinnegan …. go and ask madara what would happen if he was in position of 2 how much stronger he would be

1 I think you're talking about the hospital and if that's the case it doesn't matter if it made a bigger hole the lighten blade kills on contact with the heart or head

2 that snake man was a legendary ninja who was running for the hokage seat back in the day. that same man fought the 4 tails for his own amu*t

3 killer bee had the advantage ( he wasn't suppose to be killed) and he was up to par if not stronger that the raikage

4 he wanted information from deidara and you cant question a dead man can you?

5 Naruto didn't win anything it was a draw … it was just sugar coated to make him feel better

6 how did you come to that conclusion

p.s. rinnegan sasuke hasn't unlocked his full potential yet the guys walking around with one arm when the deva path in him can bring his arm back

Kishimoto himself said he never drawn Naruto at full power. The image here is pretty random too.

With Sasuke, Naruto had to show restraint so as to not kill him. Sasuke also admitted defeat in the second fight:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQc8K5JZobk

Think of it this way. Your friend attacks you in an attempt to kill you. You don't want to kill him, but you want to at least stop him and get him to rethink what he's doing. You manage to stop him even though you are both in the same physical condition in the end. Did you win, lose, or draw in the fight?

Overall, Naruto is stronger than Sasuke

This post genuinely had me laughing out loud. A very good laugh this afternoon.

First, I like how you said Sasuke was about to put an end to Naruto's aspirations. That's like saying Izuna was going to totally destroy Tobirama. None of it matters since their opponents countered them enough to subdue/kill them. Madara is also the wrong person to put into the argument because he lost his major battles against Hashirama. Madara admitted Hashirama could defeat him (Indra vs Ashura line).

The 1 thru 4 lines you have are basically excuses for why Sasuke failed in trying to get what he's after. For example, #4 says dead men can't talk. Yes, Deidara ended up dead and when Naruto wanted to save Sasuke and keep him alive, Sasuke stays alive. The point is Naruto is strong enough to secure his goals while Sasuke is not.

For number 6, if we listed out all the times Sasuke won his major battles versus Naruto, Naruto will trump Sasuke. And no, they aren't equal else the show would be called Naruto and Sasuke and not just Naruto.

so.... i just have a few points to raise.

1) in the final battle, wasn't sasuke aiming to KILL naruto while naruto was just trying to defeat Sasuke? There's a pretty big difference b/w aiming to kill and aiming to capture alive. Despite this huge handicap, naruto won.

2) sasuke's big powerups come from his eyes basically giving him overpowered jutsu. Naruto's powerups come from learning abilities/jutsu in a few days, that should have taken years for capable jonin, plus having Kurama's cooperation. In other words, Sasuke looks like he's limited by the extent of his dojutsu and his ability to apply them in battle. Naruto... doesn't really have a limit beyond his willingness/need.

Then there's also the fact that Sasuke... basically relied on Naruto to overcome his 'hatred' for him. Naruto overcame not only his own hatred (his dark self), he also overcame Konoha's hatred/ostracization of him, as well as the Kyuubi's hatred. Mentally speaking, sure sounds like naruto > sasuke xD.

Not saying that sasuke is weak... but its pretty hard to say sasuke is 'stronger' than naruto. Hell, if you break it down, the strongest genjutsu of sharingan (tsukuyomi) is useless against naruto b/c he's a jinchuriki synchronized with his biju. That leaves taijutsu, ninjutsu, senjutsu, and fuinjutsu. Naruto would outlast in taijutsu and ninjutsu (plus potential to learn alot more ninjutsu), he's better in senjutsu. Neither have shown much talent in fuinjutsu yet.

sasuke big power comes from his dojutsu?, it is a kekkei genkai, i mean he born with sharingan, it is his own power

not like naruto, he is nothing without kurama, and kurama isnt kekkei genkai, kurama isnt his own power, he wont be that strong if minato didnt seal kurama in him, sasuke got his power without sealing

i dont get why do you think naruto is stronger and kishimito himself the author of naruto said naruto and sasuke have equal strength

The fact sasuke in the end recognizes his power, either means 1 of the 2...either he's on the same level as sasuke, or sasuke recognizes naruto is stronger than him, which is the former in the boruto series, when sasuke mentions, only naruto can rival with his power, Kurama or no kurama, you need to admit naruto power comes from more than just learning at a fast pace, it comes from him changing people's hearts and minds, that was the intention of kishimoto all along, true power doesnt always comes from fists or kicks, but from the heart, and naruto showed to everyone how to overcome darkness.

it makes no sense talking to you

Discussions are great and it is really good to see the many different perspectives people have. Let's not get too carried away as we should still keep it friendly xD

Everyone has their own opinion and there is a good chance it might be different (and that's okay!). Always nice to have a discussion and reasoning behind it rather than deviating from the original topic =p

Discussions are great and it is really good to see the many different perspectives people have. Let's not get too carried away as we should still keep it friendly xD

Everyone has their own opinion and there is a good chance it might be different (and that's okay!). Always nice to have a discussion and reasoning behind it rather than deviating from the original topic =p

Discussions are great and it is really good to see the many different perspectives people have. Let's not get too carried away as we should still keep it friendly xD

Everyone has their own opinion and there is a good chance it might be different (and that's okay!). Always nice to have a discussion and reasoning behind it rather than deviating from the original topic =p

You mean, you can't handle facts?

no you just don't get it

No, you don't get it.

You can't come from a place that never existed to begin with.

AKA, the Uchiha existed BEFORE the Leaf Village was even made, same with the senju and most of the other clans that are major in the Leaf.

Because of this, they couldn't originate in the Leaf because it never existed at the time.

It took Hashirama and Madara to create the Hidden Leaf Village when they were adults. And considering they had parents that were head of their respective clans from their childhood, it shows that the Uchiha and the Senju existed before the Hidden Leaf Village was ever thought of by Hashirama and Madara.

I get you but at the end of the day they come from the leaf obito was born in the leaf madara has a leaf tag gnw madara should too that's the point we want to drive home

>Says I get you
>Still shows they don't understand...bruh...

The only Obito that is considered Leaf is [Shounen]

Masked Man, Madara 5k, Madara GNW are just alias that Obito had used, we don't know who they are at the current time. On top of that he was considered dead by the Leaf. So why would they have the Konoha tag?

Masked man has the konoha tag though