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So my first question is this post outdated? I ask this because I constantly am being hit with mysteries that should be slower than mine (e.g. pos4-6 ninjas going faster than my pos2) and it is very consist too in a battle, (By this I mean it occurs every round in a battle, not that it occurs in every battle). I know about the mystery delay bug, but this seems to go further than that as it seems to happen even in auto mode (Which I assume isn't affected by delay lag but I may be wrong). Awhile back ago, I read this thread: https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-29333-1.html, where ICE* discusses how having over 10000 initiative on pos2 can overcome pos1, but then it must mean that people in arena/swb have over 30k higher init than me? Which I don't think is very likely. This leads to me to think that either ICE* meant to say 1000 initiative or perhaps it is the result of how 'light' a mystery is... assuming this post is still relevant. The final question I have is about how standard attacks are affected by initiative. I originally thought that standards weren't affected at all, but I was proved wrong after fighting multiple people who's pos4-6 going faster than my pos1. If anyone has any answers that would be great as it would help me a ton!

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On 2018-04-03 03:15:23Show this Author Only
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This post is completely tr@sh: http://naruto.oasgames.com/en/strategy/gamestrategy/who_attacks_1st_in_ninjutsu

Which unit goes first works like this:

For example: If your team looks like this

X-A-X

B-X-C

X-D-X

C is action 1, A is action 2, D is action 3, and B is action 4.

Let's say your opponent's team looks like this:

X-A-B

X-X-C

X-X-D

For him B is action 1, C is action 2, D is action 3, and A is action 4.

If you and your opponent both use mysteries that are EQUAL action, then we compare init. Looking at my example above, that would mean C & B, A & C, D & D, and B & A. If your C uses a PROMPT mystery, and your opponents B uses a PROMPT mystery, and your C has more init than their B, C will go before. Same thing if they are BOTH non-prompt. If one is PROMPT and the other is NOT, then the PROMPT will go first regardless of position and regardless of init. The 10k init thing only comes in if your action 1 unit C uses a prompt mystery and your opponent's action 2 unit C uses a prompt mystery, and their C has 10k more init then ur unit C, then they will go first. Hope this explains.




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On 2018-04-03 03:31:37Show this Author Only
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  • vsai12 On 2018-04-03 03:15:23
  • This post is completely tr@sh: http://naruto.oasgames.com/en/strategy/gamestrategy/who_attacks_1st_in_ninjutsu

    Which unit goes first works like this:

    For example: If your team looks like this

    X-A-X

    B-X-C

    X-D-X

    C is action 1, A is action 2, D is action 3, and B is action 4.

    Let's say your opponent's team looks like this:

    X-A-B

    X-X-C

    X-X-D

    For him B is action 1, C is action 2, D is action 3, and A is action 4.

    If you and your opponent both use mysteries that are EQUAL action, then we compare init. Looking at my example above, that would mean C & B, A & C, D & D, and B & A. If your C uses a PROMPT mystery, and your opponents B uses a PROMPT mystery, and your C has more init than their B, C will go before. Same thing if they are BOTH non-prompt. If one is PROMPT and the other is NOT, then the PROMPT will go first regardless of position and regardless of init. The 10k init thing only comes in if your action 1 unit C uses a prompt mystery and your opponent's action 2 unit C uses a prompt mystery, and their C has 10k more init then ur unit C, then they will go first. Hope this explains.

This. you could be 600kBP with over 40k initiative on your position 2, but every single person on your server with a position 1 prompt mystery will go before your position 2. That is how the game is meant to function. System errors and server delays could always mess with these outcomes, though.

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On 2018-04-03 03:35:52Show this Author Only
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  • Brandenlol On 2018-04-03 03:31:37
  • This. you could be 600kBP with over 40k initiative on your position 2, but every single person on your server with a position 1 prompt mystery will go before your position 2. That is how the game is meant to function. System errors and server delays could always mess with these outcomes, though.

If the pos 2 has 10k more init than your opponent's pos 1 and they both use prompt mystery, the pos 2 will go first. I have seen this in a video in CN.

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On 2018-04-03 03:41:18Show this Author Only
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Wow thanks! This helped a lot lol, I've been playing for over a year now and I've always thought of it the way the post I linked explained lol. My whole life has been a lie ;-;

Also does anyone know why some team's standards go faster than mine or vice versa? (Is it init? Just want to make sure)

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On 2018-04-03 03:47:15Show this Author Only
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  • SSirus On 2018-04-03 03:41:18
  • Wow thanks! This helped a lot lol, I've been playing for over a year now and I've always thought of it the way the post I linked explained lol. My whole life has been a lie ;-;

    Also does anyone know why some team's standards go faster than mine or vice versa? (Is it init? Just want to make sure)

A standard attack is the same speed as a non-prompt mystery so standard vs standard = non-prompt vs non-prompt

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On 2018-04-03 03:53:34Show this Author Only
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  • vsai12 On 2018-04-03 03:35:52
  • If the pos 2 has 10k more init than your opponent's pos 1 and they both use prompt mystery, the pos 2 will go first. I have seen this in a video in CN.

Please link the video because this is not the case. Position 1 always has priority over position 2 in standards and prompt mystery. The only exception is game lag, but the the way I'm explaining would be for how the game is intended to work.

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On 2018-04-03 04:00:55Show this Author Only
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tobei init

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  • Brandenlol On 2018-04-03 03:53:34
  • Please link the video because this is not the case. Position 1 always has priority over position 2 in standards and prompt mystery. The only exception is game lag, but the the way I'm explaining would be for how the game is intended to work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpTnpUJbVs4 This is just one out of many. I've seen units on your own team at pos 2 that uses standard b4 pos 1.

Battle at 4:36, the LM was also obv on auto so it was not delay.




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  • Brandenlol On 2018-04-03 04:00:55
  • tobei init

prob becuz very few would actually have 10k more init than opps pos1 at pos 2

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On 2018-04-03 04:29:02Show this Author Only
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  • vsai12 On 2018-04-03 04:01:22
  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpTnpUJbVs4 This is just one out of many. I've seen units on your own team at pos 2 that uses standard b4 pos 1.

    Battle at 4:36, the LM was also obv on auto so it was not delay.

Apparently this is true. 10k more init in move 2 will mystery before -10k init in move 1. It's rare to see, but apparently it happens. Kozo is the only case that anyone has mentioned on US servers as he goes for a more balanced build rather than stacking move 1. I'm sorry for arguing with you, I was just taught that this is how it works and I've never personally experienced this even when fighting the whales of our cross server. Pos 2 mystery before enemy pos 1 mystery doesn't make sense to me as a feature if you can't see their stats while in a fight. You c*ually assume that a higher BP player will have higher pos 1 init and you can go by standards if you're not sure, but you can't go by standards with pos 2 init compared to pos 1 init since both pos 1s will standard before either move 2. I guess if you're that high, you get to * the lower levels out of the water faster lol.

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On 2018-04-03 07:15:34Show this Author Only
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  • Brandenlol On 2018-04-03 04:00:55
  • tobei init

Hi! I can confirm that you and Tobei are correct. Position takes priority over initiative. If one ninja is in Position one and the opponent's ninja is in Position two, regardless of how much more initiative Position two has, the Position one will always go first.


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