If they nerf Sailor Sakura,most of the caner teams will be manageable for most players. Lets just hope they will...

lol my 3 healer water team got wiped out by MB guy sasuke and hinata or kabuto I think, he have 6k BP less than me, he knows when to use mystery properly and knows who to target , and he also know how to fr3@king use his brain. uhmmm for the record I can wipe out 10k bp more lightning mains than my BP so I am not that bad in PVP

and also mabui mei 1010 can easily counter the 3 healer teams even with 5 k lower BP

I hope links are allowed, but if you say that, here is a level difference and look closely. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9j7h_F8hDE

I would love to know what's your BP, I don't see how a team with Midnight Blade, Sasuke, Guy and Hinata / Kabuto can wipe out an immortal team, unless you're running just random 3 healers and no proper front line. Consider how little people actually devote to actually coming up with strategies in this game I will no be surprised if you just setup your team the wrong way.

Regard the Mei / Tenten team, it's good at lower power levels, as Mei packs a lot of damage and a strong barrier. In the end of the day, this team will not be able to outlast an immortal team due to healers / debuff clears, also consider the fact that the immortal team usually has no more than 2 male ninja which means that Mei won't be doing as much damage as she would against Midnight Blade teams (which are mostly male).

Here is a video showing you how a smart player exploits Azure Fang, defeating a player with 34k BP difference, now there should not be a case in which a player that has almost 50% more BP than you at that level would lose to you, even on auto battle.

Now tell me that you can do anything that remotely resembles this with any other class.

Then your playing earth wrong....to my knowledge you have super armor...that makes a tank, water doesnt, so the only way to deal with poison imo, is either have a healer as earth, or a cleasing ninja such as gakido or hanzo. If you have none, then start farming for them.

Also dont say a class is broken, in 2016 lightning was "broken", 2017 is water main is broken.... who's gonna be broken in 2018? Maybe fire main when they buff him in 4.0 LUL

Stop making excuses and play to your strenghts.

to my knowledge she wont get nerfed.

Read what he said, when it comes to raw growth stats, Azure Fang rivals Crimson fist. This tread has nothing to do with a specific player he had trouble defeating, it's the overall power that Azure Fang has at her disposal, and the fact that she does not have to make a choice between 2 good skill, but rather take them all, unlike wind for example which has some sub par passives compared to other classes.

I don't know if you ever noticed but having Crimson fist as a main tank is inferior to having an actual tank and having Crimson Fist as a shield bot. The current changes to his passives support this play style too, which is highly effective. The he is using is quite good actually, being able to take on people within ~7k BP range of him, so as I said above this is not a rant about a specific opponent he had but on the state of the game in general.

lol playing wm from first day on new server - would say most of my server is LM and 2-3 WM and 2-3EM Fire and Wind is forgotten

for now LM easy kills me but i run some kind of NIN blitz - Suigetsu WM Kakashi Haku and cuz is my first server i enjoy i guess)

cant rely on chaos cuz of mirrors so i just try kill 1 nin thats pretty much all (top20 is over 20k and # mb quit we dunno yet 28k)

So, fire is by far the best at the beginning due to it's potential to do nine tails, but later on when you get kage treasure etc you will see what I mean about water main.

That Video makes me LOL, If u know somebody going to use a formation and u have weeks to plan for it, that what Dien did. Mystic used that formation for weeks, killed pretty much anybody and everybody with it.

When in your life playing this game have u ever seen anybody use that formation outside that battle the answer is NEVER, it was made just for that battle and that formation, yet cause he had weeks to plan for that battle Water is OP. yeah ok LOL

if mystic cared, all he would of needed was mask man to stun the gakido , DP hidan for the tag and extra dmg on sailor sakura, full lighting main blitz talents, and wind blade asuma for the extra 20 mana and extra dmg u gain from being at full life with the extra 30k++ power im pretty sure that sailor would of died no problem if he stack them on the bottom to target her

i say that cause a lighting blitz thats only 5k stronger then me can kill my sailor with little to no effort

But cause this player didnt feel like changing his formation or talents or adding other ninja water is OP yeah ok

im pretty sure other could come up with other formation or maybe switching to a different class , he could of used to beat dien, but its ok , lets just say water is OP and not use our BRAINS

isnt Nine Tails weak to water?!

It sounds to me that this thread is more a complaint about immortal teams than water teams.

Are immortal teams too strong? Probably, this game has a tendency to favor tanky ninjas and recovery rather than damage.

Does this makes azure fang OP? NO!

People here (me included) have used the immortal cancer teams as the main argument to show how water mains can overcome a 10-15K BP difference and win. But here is a plot twist, Change water main with an earth main and you get the exact same thing in this 3.0 version!

Now that earth main double attack mystery cleanses one layer of debuffs, when it is paired with tsunade hokage's healing stravaganza it becomes just as much a cancer team as if it was a water main with healing tips. There is no poison you say? who cares, he has more life than you and eventually sailor sakura will kil you. Besides now that tsunade is shielded it becomes that much more harder to kill.

Don't believe me? watch the space time finals of this past tournament and marvel at how earth immortal team beats water immortal team since it has more base life, with 5-10K BP LESS than the water cancer.

You want to change things so that cancer immortal teams stop dominating? fine. It won;t happen, since the game favors this mechanic but it is something i can understand. Wanting to nerf one main because of cancer teams is pointless. Nerf water? no matter here comes Earth to replace her right away, hell it might replace her regardless. Nerf water and Earth? Well congratz lightning you will rule like you did in the early days of this game.

Finally, you say you c*e ninjas that can dodge/roshi type ninjas to beat lightnig blitz? If that's the case your opponent is not using the correct setup. Iruka/minato get rolled over by lightning blitz. Roshi's big problem right now is that lightning blitz kills him round 1! He is not Han. Either you use Han to stop blitz, pray they don't kill your mabui or use masked obito to stop them (you c*e hinata as well buth then round 2 you are probably dead).

Most the people in the top 10 don't play water BECAUSE it is OP. They don't want to have to play an OP class to win. Even Dien changed after cuz he got bored of water. When water is the only class that can beat someone 30k stronger than them its OP. You can't talk in circles and excuse that fact away. Sure, he put in some work on his team, what do you think the strongest players do? They are putting in work AND money. So quit with your ego driven bull * Karissaa. Your "work" only works because you use an OP class. If you were any other main you would not win with all your "Work" that should tell you that the class you use is OP.

For every person who knows how to use Water to their full potential, there are people like me that still don't have the hang of it nor do they have the ninjas to make them truly OP. The little "advantages" that Water Main has is all I have to make sure I don't get bodied by people simply one level lower than me. Think of us folk who aren't very good at this game yet still want to play it our way.

karissaa the fact that he was capable of overcoming a 40% power difference would be IMPOSSIBLE on any other main. No other main has the damage to finish someone off with that power difference, no other main has the regen to survive fighting some1 with that damage difference, no other main has the cc to have made that win happen. i keep asking you to try and prove me wrong but you dont, dont tell us to use our brains when all you do is hide behind an op class.

you were leading the charge when fire main was op and needed to be nerfed and they werent beating people 40% stronger than they are. so dont say use your brain when you did then exactly what we are doing now.

i still challenge you to make a team that can beat an immortal water team without using water main, every idea u have had for a counter team failed, ive spelled out why most of them would fail and shown why others fail, u want to prove that water can be countered and it isnt over powered then figure out a team that can counter it, we have enough people in our server who would be happy to test it. our server has every ninja in the game multiple times over, hell maroner has them all by himself we can make any team possible to test your ideas if all it takes is using your brain then prove it. prove what ur claiming dont just keep saying use your brain, prove that there is a counter that can be made, i can say the counter is, "just use one punch man to win in 1 punch", but if hes not a character that exists we cant use him.

also uve said yourself that a lightning blitz is able to kill 1 of your ninjas turn 1, and then they cant kill anything else and u poison/ignite them to death. u told me that in group chat yesterday.

lightning blitz is just that "blitz" they have a quick hard hit and then they fall off fast, thats y they cant beat me even if they kill 1 of my ninjas turn 1 by turn 3 when their root dies off i can kill them with cc and aoe because they dont have the damage to beat me.