A few points:

1. You don't need reserve seal or whatever for GNW Tenten team, just run with healing standard and enhancement of water ninja.

2. Healing tips stack with one another, meaning that Tsunade[5th hokage] just boosts it ever further (40% + 45%, legit).

3. Poison is too easy to apply as Azure Fang, and it's not limited to that ninja only, meaning that if the enemy can't clear debuffs, they will have 4 stacks on them from turn 1.

4. Standard attacks pack way too much utility: a heal that clears all debuffs / acupuncture + knockdown / high float + high damage + damage to self making her super good in all fronts with no clear weakness.

5. Passives are overloaded, you can run both healing tips and poison at the same time or if you feel like you have enough healing you can just make your critical hits cause chaos.

6. Highest raw stats our of all main characters by far, she can tank as well as earth main, provide support and healing, deal good damage and all that while having more HP and defenses to work with.

7. Kakashi is by far one of the most useless characters in this game, rocking a pitiful stat line, terrible mystery (single target, causes low float, based on taijutsu with low damage), chases are "OK" (low damage on both, status effects are nice but they're single target), one of the weakest clones in the game (which he can't recreate after it's killed) and skill breaks make his mystery somewhat comparable to Suigetsu's, which shows you how good it is.

8. Ninja power distribution seems very dumb in general, after looking at growth stats, Iruka has better stats than 90% of ninja if not all, now while the game does not have to be accurate compared to the anime or whatever, a bit of thought would have been nice. I got Yagura the other day, upgraded him just to see how his stats go, and to my surprise his stats are probably the worst I've seen so far in this game, his only decent stat being resistance, which he does not use in combat in any way (shields for example). So he's basically set to be a support, and a lousy one at that considering the only things he brings to the table are a bit of chakra each round and the ability to create a weak clone of one enemy ninja (which is nice but usually not practical for anything but stealing barriers or getting some buffs.

hm, can i ask your level and power? these issues are relevant only to new players and servers.... 30-40k suffer from this, if your above or below that there isnt much of an issue... but ill reply anyway

Do you like healing half your HP and clearing debuffs with 1 ability? this has counter play, its called ignite

Do you like poisoning which does way too much damage? this has counter play, its called debuffing

Do you like acupuncture with your standard? this has a low combo chance

Do you like having better tank growth stats than the Tank Main(Earth)? lolwut, must of never played earth main...

Do you like CCing everyone? this is rng and you cant rely on chaosing 4 people every single turn, you can barely hope to chaos a single 1 without chases, and even then immunity's and debuffs will roflstomp you

have you done with Kakashi. The sixth hokage is useless. Just let that sink in, THE SIXTH HOKAGE IS USELESS??? I appear to misunderstand what your saying, wheres 6th hokage kakashi? i want him, hes so bad ass... i want 6th hokage kakashi please!!! wait.... your talking about a ninja who came out on day 1 being unviable in a meta for ninjas that are designed 2 years after.... crap... if only i was as high as the person writing this, maybe i need to short some of those healing tips that you love so much, but you know, kakashi, the fragile guy who admits to having almost no chakra whatsoever, lets logic him and say hes got godtank clones with his infintie chakra reserves cause im legit!!

look man, learn about what ninjas your talking about and what meta they are designed for before getting drunk and blaming everyone for your problems on the forums.... kakashi that almsot lost to a zabuza who could barely fight at 1/20th his normal strength as the 6th hokage? lol k, the guy didnt even have mangekyo at this point, he admitted he could barely summon 2-3 clones, you want this guy to have a clone thats super tanky to provide shields and be blasting off cannona* from his eyes?

Back in my day, when people really tryhard this game, all they did was posting "how lightning main looked so much OP" this version nowadays, is water mains who is OP, i mean cmon now, this is getting to the point of slapping yourself in the face....

im going to quote Itachi... "Every jutsu has it's weakness". Thank you and come again.

50k power

Do you like healing half your HP and clearing debuffs with 1 ability? this has counter play, its called ignite. - Water main has something called heal and debuff.

Do you like poisoning which does way too much damage? this has counter play, its called debuffing. - Fair enough, but is water main having poison on top of everything git already has fair?

Do you like acupuncture with your standard? this has a low combo chance. - Uhm, depends on luck, but I mean an acupuncture on standard believe it or not is TOO MUCH.

Do you like having better tank growth stats than the Tank Main(Earth)? lolwut, must of never played earth main... - I am earth main XD, and you know what growth stats are?

Do you like CCing everyone? this is rng and you cant rely on chaosing 4 people every single turn, you can barely hope to chaos a single 1 without chases, and even then immunity's and debuffs will roflstomp you. - Yes but my point is, DOES A SINGLE CHARACTER DESERVE TO HAVE THIS MUCH CC? Fire main for example can disable with mystery for 1 round, then has cd. and can transfer 1 piece of cc. Water has unlimited chances of cc. As mentioned there is the chase which always crits, you know what that means.

have you done with Kakashi. The sixth hokage is useless. Just let that sink in, THE SIXTH HOKAGE IS USELESS??? - You have seen anbu kakashi? in cn that is, that was kakashi when he was younger. So he goes from amazing to below average, despite being called one of the best jonin if not the best jonin in the village, not my words, in the anime.

It's mentioned in the anime that he has really low chakra, but he is much better than the other jonin, yet ingame all the other jonin are better? I didn't want EVERYTHING together, I said a tankier clone, or even this clone having a shield or something, idk.

EDIT:

Kakashi 6th hokage has no sharingan, mmmmm whatcha say?

What the *? Infinite chakra?

There is something called nerfing and buffing, it has been done before in this game, so him being released the first week has nothing to do how he hasn't been chased.

XD

This is a game. If this happened irl that would be the case, but we can only do what is written in the code, and if the code gives all this crap to one character then it makes it unfair. And I didn't say it didn't have a weakness, I said it has too many strengths compared to everyone else.

Funny how all the "pros" of this game find a counter to everything ppl say about a dumb broken class such as water in our case. Once again if you are goin around throwing 20 IQ responses with these "counters" better just shut up. Being forced into having a team to just counter the *edness of a class just shows how *ly broken that class is and as the meta has shifted that is water main as of now. I bet girls out there are getting mad at their Joe's for not lasting as much as that poison does. Theres only one thing to do and that is either make ignites stackable or reduce the poison stacks. Taking 8k dmg of poison at the end of round 1 is absolutely *. Then again som1 will come and tell me a counter to it but thats to be expected since most of these "counter gods" here spend their time fanboying ever top player and pound the combo simulator harder than their brain.

tbh they weren't even counters, I said they can heal and debuff, he said "Ignite", uhm, did I not mention debuff?

Ok, I'll admit I play water (only 45k power atm with Hinata, Sage Naruto, Kabuto, Water Main with 8 chases) Being able to clear Survival with 0 dmg taken (more or less) quite easily....a lot easier than me playing other classes, but again how much does survival count for anything? Seriously though, here are some talent changes I'd like to see.

Mysteries: These are fine for the most part, they are not so OP that they need changing.

Standards:

Taijutsu Attacks (No one runs this outside the first 10 lvls of the game lol)
Healing Jutsu: Either change dispersing debuffs to ignore Ignite, or just remove the disperse completely. Let Ignite actually be a real counter.
Flowing Whip: Honestly this standard is fine as is as it is a lot better than the Taijutsu Attacks and even better than Monster Strength.
Monster Strength: This has a very niche use.

Chase: All are completely fine and the Chakra Dissection Blade has low dmg for being a "crit".

As for passives, 1 thing that would fix a lot of what Water Main has would be just simply moving talents so you can't combine talents to essentially be the jack of all trades.

Passive 1:

Poison Tai - Poison from all your ninjas that deal taijutsu damage, this can be very powerful.
Neurotoxin - Causes Chaos on Crits. This class has a lot of CC almost as much as Mei.
Healing Tips - Heal of 40% honestly this can drop to 20%. Or make it non stackable.
Water Enhancement - Increase Ninjutsu and Taijutsu of Water ninjas by 40%

Now what this does is to prevent people from combining Poison Tai, Healing Tips or Poison Tai and Neurotoxin for easy CC. Forcing the water main to work with 1 enhancement or debuff.

Passive 2:

Soul Absorption
Water Clone Jutsu
Curse Mark Test
Reserve Seal

Not much to say about these talents I mean they don't come off as overly powerful to really change.

Here is the thing, Chakra dissection blade doesn't need damage, if you match it with neurotoxin you have a chaos guaranteed, only thing that can prevent it is fail, or transfer, or a debuff remover. 1 enhancement or debuff? haha, no, they have to remake everything for that to happen, nerfing each one or changing certain abilities will do it. You can pick from, Reserve seal = tanky, healing tips = heals, neurotoxin = cc (the enhancement isn't included).

You c*e that with healing mystery, poison mystery, mystery that has high chance of crit which in some cases make most of your team chaosed if partnered with other talents and buff remover.

From what I just told you, we can come to the conclusion that water main isn't limited at all. You can have heals with CC, or heals and have a tanky main. So many things which you might think are little on their own (which most aren't) but together are a bigger deal than you think.

Oh, and water main being good for survival trial is the least of my worries xD It's potential to do so many things which are exaggerated, like u said, the 40% could easily go down to 20%, or having the possibility to chaos a lot of ninjas, if you use your mystery and it chaoses because it crits, then your chase is dissection blade and you chaos another target. You are telling me that is ok? What other main can do this as well as having the chance to deal damage over time poison, and having the ability to cancel debuffs and heal at the same time?

Edit: Nerfing Healing and poisons as well as toning down ninjas like mei will seriously help, toning down the chaos is also a must as it is ridiculous, I shouldn't need to run a certain team to counter this (as said above).

Erm, yep. Water is tough, I'll give you that. But I can only agree to some of the points you've given:

The mega healing and debuff cleasing is annoying, but isnt Water supposed to focus on healing? But agree on Healing Tip shouldnt be able to stack.

Poison Tai is damaging, but all 4 stacks of poison only counts as 1 layer of debuffs. If your team has somebody who clears debuffs for the whole team like Hanzo or Gakido than you are pretty golden.

Water has a lower chance of accupuncture/chaos with her standard than what you are describing. It depends on her and yours combo rate.

Can't comment on Earth vs Water growth stat, because I have played Earth only once for exam 140.

Chaos-ing everyone? Again, that a stress, even Shark Bomb which has a crit buff has less chance of crit than Lightning's 2nd standard. It's only her 3rd chase that guarantees a crit hit.

Fire, bless his nerfed and underpowered heart, also has unlimited chance of CC-ing. Sleep and chance of ignite for standard attack, blind, ignite and imprison for chase, (and 2 tags everyturn but that's for a later time) and transfering debuffs. So no, he does not do less cc than Water.

As for Kakashi, agree that even with his breakthrough, he's still severely underpowered, Yes he has a VERY high chance of causing High Float, but his reliance on tag lower his utility. If he starts inflicting Tag when he successfully initiate a combo on somebody with his standard attack... now that's a different story. Also, for somebody who can creat only 1 clone, his clone is indeed Ao-thin.

P.s: Hate to break it to you but Water in the future will be further buffed: chance of healing 2 targets, crit buff instead of attack buff on Reverse seal, Ninjutsu buffing on Sould absorbsion and Tobi-level dodging of mystery which will reduce her Mystery cooldown. But let cross those bridges when we get there.

You said everything there, it's focused on healing, not poisoning your whole team, or ccing your whole team, as small as you say the chance of crit is, it's still there and idk if it's just me but I find myself getting chaosed from that quite frequently. I'm not making a new team or getting hanzo or gakido just for water main, that's *, I shouldn't have to get these ninjas to counter a class. Oas need to see this, when that happens and water gets buffed I expect to see other classes getting buffed along with it.

Honestly, I think water should get toned down, if a class is meant for healing it should be best at healing, and not at damage and cc as well while other classes aren't nearly as good. As for Kakashi, he needs changes, his kit looks more offensive based, but its single target and does no damage and has a useless clone.

This discussion was never about fire, but yes fire is a pain when it comes to cc, but fire can't heal as much as water. Water gives most if not all you ninjas the ability to poison, fire has a chance to ignite. If you said that the ability of fire to be able to take away all cc consistently and also delivering consistently I would agree with you, but comparing fire to water, really? Heals, chaos, debuff, poison vs debuff/transfer, ignite and sleep and water main is consistent at those if chosen.

Keep in mind, the Chakra Dissection Blade is a chase, which is highly dependent on mysteries/standard (however you build your chases around) which can lead down to initiative. But these changes prevent a lot of them from stacking to be overwhelming.

Use ninjas with ignite+ fire main . ;)

A water class has not won our space time in weeks, This week was fire and last week was lighting. I myself fight stronger water class people all the time, but 8/10 of those fights i win. But HOW ?????????????

Its called using your BRAIN...Stop blaming others, put in a little effort, stop trying to get the easy fix. Like i said theres a reason why water has not won our Space time in weeks

Lighting Blitz can still kill most ninja on Round 1, but yet u come on here and talk about water. When water can kill a ninja round 1, then ill come to see things your way but till then Lighting is still King and needs a Nerf

* use your brain

I think complains about poison Op water main are outdated,ppl run jinjuriki now,stats imune

Your breakdown of the water main has many flaws. While you answer correctly for each individual problem I think you will find that you completely dismissed that all those attributes that make water OP work together. Sure ignite stops healing, but last time I checked a 3 healer team can clear debuffs quite easily. So sure, if you are fighting a rookie maybe they will waste a heal mystery on ignited people..but it's far more likely they will wait until their Hokage Tsunade clears all those debuffs herself, and THEN use the healing myst. Their CC is also pretty OP, you can say it relies on RNG all you want but you gotta remember that the water main isn't the only one attacking, and again unless the water main is a rookie then they aren't gonna waste their mysteries... No, what they will do is wait until the end of round 2, lock someone down and then immediately lock down another ninja at the start of R3. As for clearing the poison debuff, when they have sailor sakura as their move 4 that is kind of hard to do.

Most people who use 3 heal teams aren't exactly the top powers on their servers, so often times they will go last on their move 4. Of course, there are ways for elite players to purposefully slow down their move 4...but like I mentioned before, unless this 3 healer person is a rookie, they aren't gonna just let you get away with that..they will copy you and also slow down their fourth.

The point that you cannot ignore here is that water main covers every area that a ninja could possibly hope to cover. They have high HP, they are great at healing, they can CC, and they can cause some pretty massive damage over time with poison. And a lot of times that "Damage over time" means someones dead in a few rounds...Oh, the icing on this cake is that all that I mentioned is just one build, they don't have to pick or choose which area they want to be. When healing tips stack, that is even worse.

What main can reasonably beat a ninja with 20k or even 30k more power than them? There is only one. Water Main. If you want some proof just look at space time. But I'll give you an exact example. There is a player by the name of MysticBlade in the server groupings of my space time. He has the highest power by far in this grouping and has won every single Space Time tournament that we have had thus far. That is until he came across a 3 healer team with 30k-ish less power than him. Sure, it was a very interesting thing to see..and I'm proud of the guy who beat him- but my point is that clearly there is something ridiculously OP about these 3 heal teams. The b/s GNW Tenten teams aren't that bad..but when you combine Sailor Sakura, Water main, and Hokage Tsunade you got some issues with balance.

You left out the part where you purposefully threw your 3 matches against that fire main. All because you knew you would win..you even told them so. You told him go water main or he will lose. So don't try to use a fire main winning as an excuse lol. And in any case the guy who has been winning it before this week had a 30k power advantage over most ppl. AND HE LOST TO A WATER MAIN WITH 30k LESS POWER THAN HIM! Use your brain and realize that the * isn't balanced.

You talk about Lightning blitz a lot but I know for a fact that lightning blitz isn't going to win a fight against someone with 30k more power than them..but wait? What can? Oh right, the broken ass water main.

So, I need to run a blitz team to defeat this, or as suggested before, a fire main team? What's wrong with me wanting to use my earth main? Why should I have to change to counter something? Forcing me to change in order to counter a class is *, just shows how the class isn't balanced at all.

EDIT: So to counter water I have to change class, but to counter lightning blitz I just have to add Hinata? Uhm.... no.