hm, can i ask your level and power? these issues are relevant only to new players and servers.... 30-40k suffer from this, if your above or below that there isnt much of an issue... but ill reply anyway

Do you like healing half your HP and clearing debuffs with 1 ability? this has counter play, its called ignite

Do you like poisoning which does way too much damage? this has counter play, its called debuffing

Do you like acupuncture with your standard? this has a low combo chance

Do you like having better tank growth stats than the Tank Main(Earth)? lolwut, must of never played earth main...

Do you like CCing everyone? this is rng and you cant rely on chaosing 4 people every single turn, you can barely hope to chaos a single 1 without chases, and even then immunity's and debuffs will roflstomp you

have you done with Kakashi. The sixth hokage is useless. Just let that sink in, THE SIXTH HOKAGE IS USELESS??? I appear to misunderstand what your saying, wheres 6th hokage kakashi? i want him, hes so bad ass... i want 6th hokage kakashi please!!! wait.... your talking about a ninja who came out on day 1 being unviable in a meta for ninjas that are designed 2 years after.... crap... if only i was as high as the person writing this, maybe i need to short some of those healing tips that you love so much, but you know, kakashi, the fragile guy who admits to having almost no chakra whatsoever, lets logic him and say hes got godtank clones with his infintie chakra reserves cause im legit!!

look man, learn about what ninjas your talking about and what meta they are designed for before getting drunk and blaming everyone for your problems on the forums.... kakashi that almsot lost to a zabuza who could barely fight at 1/20th his normal strength as the 6th hokage? lol k, the guy didnt even have mangekyo at this point, he admitted he could barely summon 2-3 clones, you want this guy to have a clone thats super tanky to provide shields and be blasting off cannona* from his eyes?

Back in my day, when people really tryhard this game, all they did was posting "how lightning main looked so much OP" this version nowadays, is water mains who is OP, i mean cmon now, this is getting to the point of slapping yourself in the face....

im going to quote Itachi... "Every jutsu has it's weakness". Thank you and come again.

Funny how all the "pros" of this game find a counter to everything ppl say about a dumb broken class such as water in our case. Once again if you are goin around throwing 20 IQ responses with these "counters" better just shut up. Being forced into having a team to just counter the *edness of a class just shows how *ly broken that class is and as the meta has shifted that is water main as of now. I bet girls out there are getting mad at their Joe's for not lasting as much as that poison does. Theres only one thing to do and that is either make ignites stackable or reduce the poison stacks. Taking 8k dmg of poison at the end of round 1 is absolutely *. Then again som1 will come and tell me a counter to it but thats to be expected since most of these "counter gods" here spend their time fanboying ever top player and pound the combo simulator harder than their brain.

Ok, I'll admit I play water (only 45k power atm with Hinata, Sage Naruto, Kabuto, Water Main with 8 chases) Being able to clear Survival with 0 dmg taken (more or less) quite easily....a lot easier than me playing other classes, but again how much does survival count for anything? Seriously though, here are some talent changes I'd like to see.

Mysteries: These are fine for the most part, they are not so OP that they need changing.

Standards:

Taijutsu Attacks (No one runs this outside the first 10 lvls of the game lol)
Healing Jutsu: Either change dispersing debuffs to ignore Ignite, or just remove the disperse completely. Let Ignite actually be a real counter.
Flowing Whip: Honestly this standard is fine as is as it is a lot better than the Taijutsu Attacks and even better than Monster Strength.
Monster Strength: This has a very niche use.

Chase: All are completely fine and the Chakra Dissection Blade has low dmg for being a "crit".

As for passives, 1 thing that would fix a lot of what Water Main has would be just simply moving talents so you can't combine talents to essentially be the jack of all trades.

Passive 1:

Poison Tai - Poison from all your ninjas that deal taijutsu damage, this can be very powerful.
Neurotoxin - Causes Chaos on Crits. This class has a lot of CC almost as much as Mei.
Healing Tips - Heal of 40% honestly this can drop to 20%. Or make it non stackable.
Water Enhancement - Increase Ninjutsu and Taijutsu of Water ninjas by 40%

Now what this does is to prevent people from combining Poison Tai, Healing Tips or Poison Tai and Neurotoxin for easy CC. Forcing the water main to work with 1 enhancement or debuff.

Passive 2:

Soul Absorption
Water Clone Jutsu
Curse Mark Test
Reserve Seal

Not much to say about these talents I mean they don't come off as overly powerful to really change.

Erm, yep. Water is tough, I'll give you that. But I can only agree to some of the points you've given:

The mega healing and debuff cleasing is annoying, but isnt Water supposed to focus on healing? But agree on Healing Tip shouldnt be able to stack.

Poison Tai is damaging, but all 4 stacks of poison only counts as 1 layer of debuffs. If your team has somebody who clears debuffs for the whole team like Hanzo or Gakido than you are pretty golden.

Water has a lower chance of accupuncture/chaos with her standard than what you are describing. It depends on her and yours combo rate.

Can't comment on Earth vs Water growth stat, because I have played Earth only once for exam 140.

Chaos-ing everyone? Again, that a stress, even Shark Bomb which has a crit buff has less chance of crit than Lightning's 2nd standard. It's only her 3rd chase that guarantees a crit hit.

Fire, bless his nerfed and underpowered heart, also has unlimited chance of CC-ing. Sleep and chance of ignite for standard attack, blind, ignite and imprison for chase, (and 2 tags everyturn but that's for a later time) and transfering debuffs. So no, he does not do less cc than Water.

As for Kakashi, agree that even with his breakthrough, he's still severely underpowered, Yes he has a VERY high chance of causing High Float, but his reliance on tag lower his utility. If he starts inflicting Tag when he successfully initiate a combo on somebody with his standard attack... now that's a different story. Also, for somebody who can creat only 1 clone, his clone is indeed Ao-thin.

P.s: Hate to break it to you but Water in the future will be further buffed: chance of healing 2 targets, crit buff instead of attack buff on Reverse seal, Ninjutsu buffing on Sould absorbsion and Tobi-level dodging of mystery which will reduce her Mystery cooldown. But let cross those bridges when we get there.

A water class has not won our space time in weeks, This week was fire and last week was lighting. I myself fight stronger water class people all the time, but 8/10 of those fights i win. But HOW ?????????????

Its called using your BRAIN...Stop blaming others, put in a little effort, stop trying to get the easy fix. Like i said theres a reason why water has not won our Space time in weeks

Lighting Blitz can still kill most ninja on Round 1, but yet u come on here and talk about water. When water can kill a ninja round 1, then ill come to see things your way but till then Lighting is still King and needs a Nerf

I think complains about poison Op water main are outdated,ppl run jinjuriki now,stats imune

If someone says hey if i was water i would beat u, why wouldnt i tell them to go water to prove it. As i stated i have beaten stronger way more power then me water class people and i didnt want there to be any doubt in his mind.

About the saying i would win, that was just a joke before the 2 new ninja came out thats Wednesday and he brought them both

Now the last part You Forgot the most important thing and thats the BRAIN, Im water, i have gotten in fights with him and lost, Some people think im pretty good at playing my class, Yet i could not beat him

That water guy that beat him was weaker then me, but used his BRAIN, made a formation that i never would of came up with, Switch his talents Mags runes and other stuff around, talked to people on the server like myself that have gotten into fights with mystic, did duels with myself and others.

So Dont u DARE come on here and say O hes water. So thats why he won, NO he put in the Dam work, and thats why he WON, Also if people wonder who that player name is.

His name is Dien and to me the best dam water player in this game, well thats until i beat him

Of course people are playing Water Main teams. It is the only way to stop the very very OP Lightning Main teams. There's really almost nothing else that can win from a Lightning team.

And it's really sad that Water Main teams have such a low base power. Those Lightning teams can do 5 more different TIs because the BP is badly calculated for Lightning teams. It's basically unfair since Water Tenten teams have such a low base attacking power.

Fortunately we all know from the chinese version that Lightning will get more opposition soon with better Fire and Earth teams coming. Otherwise people can only play Water teams to counter the OP Lightning teams.

(I'm not asking for a nerf of the Lightning teams, besides it's better for everyone if Earth, Wind and Fire got buffed to compensate anyway.)

There will always be a class that's somewhat stronger than the others in every game. Regardless of how hard you try to balance things.

Water immortal teams are a pain i give you that. They are hard to kill and work against most opponents. But you know, fightnig againsta fully buffed DP Hidan and a fire main usually ends up in defeat if you use water (or many other classes for that matter).

The water meta with tenten is the only meta lineup that can be easily gotten by f2p and small spenders so no wonder it's all over the place. Fire earth and lightning metas require more time/money in order to be as effective. For lightning blitz if you dont go first you are dead so you have to spend a lot in initiative as well.

Is water strong? yes

Is it easier to make very strong teams using water mains than the other 4? yes

Is the water teams the strongest? No, paying players have access to extremely powerful ninjas such as DP Hidan, Ay or the susanoos.

Is the bootleg immortal team a pain? Hell yes, but you need hokage tsunade and she is a premium ninja. So odds are you would loose against that player anyways if he has access to such ninjas and you don't.

Besides all of this is a mute point. As far as i understand Oasis can't nerf/buff ninjas without Tencent's consent (publisher can't modify gameplay, only events/rewards, etc.). So you really think tencent will ever hear about our complaints?

But i agree when people say "Poison is the strongest dmg in the game" cuz it stacks, simple as that. all you need is a Gakido or Hanzo, if you dont even have Gakido in your team, then it's your fault.

Allow me to describe you....

Earth main defense growth is higher than water main.

Water main resistance growth is higher than earth main.

Now as you can see, both have their equally share of defense growth, one's more to sustain standard attacks, the other more for elemental dmg sustain.

You cant complaint about earth main, it's just how you build and how you play it...

P.S : You can go easy way out, which is earth meta team.

Someone who whas a 6-8 tails and tsunade hokage will surely also have itachi susanoo, ay, susanoo sasuke, roshi or han. Plus odds are higher initiative values and magatamas than you. They could switch their lineup and you would loose.

You just described one of the most expensive and powerful teams in the game, of course it will be overpowered.

Also no, if you have similar BP, DP hidan in move 1 will absolutely destroy tsunade hokage in 1 turn. Specially if you buff him with fire main + Barrier. And i haven't even touched on the possibility of adding Ay to the mix. I run a water teams, both tenten and roshi/han. Every time I face a DP Hidan i know odds are I will loose.

As far as I know, at some point with GNW characters water immortal teams loose their shine so it gets balanced by the available ninjas.

For arguments sake lets imagine water was nerfed. This argument would just change to "Lightning main is OP nerf him", anever ending circle of useless rants. Instead of complainig and wanting to nerf water why not ask for buffs on the 2 most underused classes which are earth and wind. Now that's something I would agree on and it would be a much more sensible argument too.

Whats a lie?? Here are FACTS, i can tell u just from what i have seen and maybe u can compare

I look at me server top 10 ranking in power, are they all water ? i mean water so broken, and cant lose, everyone should be playing it right? i mean people dont like to lose which is why they also spend money on the game, to not lose, but check out your power ranking and if all top 10 are water plz SS then i will take water is op serious

Space time, when was last time some water in your group won it?? Water So op it should not be called space time, but WATER time, its been weeks since a water, has won my group space time, but plz as well show me a SS of all 4 water reaching the end of space, cause i mean Water is so OP why would u play anything else

Just cause u want to be lazy or cause u feel the need to not change up your team by adding a ninja, or changing a talent or spending money does not make a class OP just cause u as a player do not want to Adapt

My first and last post for this topic. TLTR

Forcing me to change in order to counter a class is *.

Can you explain how this become *?

I'll give you a scenario.

One day you are a high school student at Bla bla school. Your teacher confronted you that you need to study more to pass 3rd year high school or else you will fail. The question is will you pass your current year? The answer is NO. Why? Because you don't want to study. You don't want to CHANGE, you still want to be the same you failing in class, instead of changing and studying.

Now I will ask you this? Who is the * one now? Your teacher that told you to study to pass your grade or YOU that doesn't want to change resulting for you to fail?

This is a basic *ogy that I showed you just to see how your brain works. In real life, you need to change if you want to get something. You will work hard to earn money. You need to change. And that view can be applied here. If you are a crimson fist that can't beat a water main just change to lightning. Problem solved. You can't just go there and force your own earth main to beat a water main unless you pay real money to scale your power and get better ninjas.

The fight is something like this:

Earth Main = specialty defense. If you don't have ninjas that has high attacks you can't win against Water main which specialty is healing + resistance. What do you need to beat a WATER MAIN? Lightning Main someone that has high ATTACK. Attack that is so high he can dish out too much damage in 1 round. You will never beat a RESISTANCE + HEALING ninja with Earth Main unless you have a 2 ninjas in your team that can immobilize 3 of your opponent team.

I will give you another *ogy. One day your mother ask you to go to the LIBRARY which is an hour of commute from your house and research about Lizards. Now as a current generation your household has the INTERNET connection. What will you do? Go to the town and waste an hour of your life just to do things that hard-way or just research the internet and be finished in less than 2 minutes? Your scenario is like this. You want to do it the hard way instead of trying the things that could solve your problems easily.

Now the choice is in your hands. Will you change to your main to defeat a WATER MAIN or you will stay to your principles : I don't need to change my main to win, bla bla bla. Because if you will stay as EARTH main and can't win, blame yourself for your own *!ty. NO one can save you. Remain as an earth main and suffer defeat from the rest of your life here or change to another main and start winning? It's your turn to make a choice: Am I *? or I will going to do my homework and start winning?

lol my 3 healer water team got wiped out by MB guy sasuke and hinata or kabuto I think, he have 6k BP less than me, he knows when to use mystery properly and knows who to target , and he also know how to fr3@king use his brain. uhmmm for the record I can wipe out 10k bp more lightning mains than my BP so I am not that bad in PVP

Then your playing earth wrong....to my knowledge you have super armor...that makes a tank, water doesnt, so the only way to deal with poison imo, is either have a healer as earth, or a cleasing ninja such as gakido or hanzo. If you have none, then start farming for them.

Also dont say a class is broken, in 2016 lightning was "broken", 2017 is water main is broken.... who's gonna be broken in 2018? Maybe fire main when they buff him in 4.0 LUL

Stop making excuses and play to your strenghts.

lol playing wm from first day on new server - would say most of my server is LM and 2-3 WM and 2-3EM Fire and Wind is forgotten

for now LM easy kills me but i run some kind of NIN blitz - Suigetsu WM Kakashi Haku and cuz is my first server i enjoy i guess)

cant rely on chaos cuz of mirrors so i just try kill 1 nin thats pretty much all (top20 is over 20k and # mb quit we dunno yet 28k)