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[ Suggestions ] serious lack of ways to get advanced threads.

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On 2017-06-29 17:30:08Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Lets say I'm your average f2p or low cashing player that after a lot of hardmanship was able to reach rank 6 battle armor.
What i see is that to rank up again my battle armor to rank 7 i need (if i don't mistake) up to 100 stacks of 8 advanced threads. By my previous experience in ba i know the armor won't rank up before that counter reaches at least 70, but way more likely 90+, so i make two calculations and i discover that if i get the luck of the devil i need 70*8 = 560 advanced threads (but since I'm your average player I'm not that lucky and so more likely I'll need something between 720 and 800 threads).
Since i know how things work i wait for rebate to rank up and so i get 90 free threads, i miss, at this point 470 threads (630-710 if I'm not the lottery winner kind of person).
I look at this point at what are my options and what do i see? That the only two ways to get them are space time shop and direct coupons purchase.
Now, if I'm not a whale, i expect to be, at most, in the region of the 400 spacetime currency per day so I'm able to buy 1 thread every two days, but beware, that this is not true for all the months but just for two weeks out of three, because when there's the strongest combat week i don't get currency. So, lets say i spend all my currency there. How many days do i need to see my battle armor rank 7? 1890-2130 that are 'only' 5-6 years.
Lets say i choose instead to gather all my coupons for it. As a moderate casher that gets both jonin medal and monthly subscription i get 2100 coupons per month there + 4500 coupons from plunderings (thing true only if i never lose an attempt and if i live in an active server that let me actually do them) + lets say 1000 others from others features. 7500 per month rounded up.
Lets say i avoid everything else and just focus on battle armor caring 0 about events, ninja fragments and other power ups. Every month i get about 130 threads if i go for disconted packs only. So, how many days do i need to get my rank7 in this case? 5 months.
Now, since we all know plunder attempts for people that aren't whales in active servers go well just 66% of the times in average then that time rises to 7 months and this is only if my server continue to be constantly active for so long.
The truth is that if i actually do both the spacetime harvest and the coupons hoarding routes very likely 1 year is not enough to reach to goal.
This is something wholly unacceptable, overall because there are also rank 8 and 9 that requires twice and five times the effort for rank 7.

You have to give us other ways to get advanced threads and also a dignified quantity of them too.
Is not possible that if i play wisely and i do all the things in the right way that in 3-4 months I'm not able to reach rank 7, overall knowing 8 would take 9-12 months and 9 would take 24-30 months. This doesn't change anything for whales, whales just buy everything instantly, for them a perspective of a 3 months waiting is the same as a perspective of 4 years.

Suggestions: 1) Strong approaching difficult mode should drop advanced threads only and in a range of 3-5 per try. 18-30 per week would be the very minimum acceptable if you don't add also other ways. 2) The cost in spacetime shop should be cut by 10 times.
3) An half way of those two, so a cut by 3 times of the price and a 1-3 sure drop of them from strong approaching difficult mode. 4) Let us somehow trade advanced cloths for advanced threads sonething like every 3-4 advanced cloths used we get 1advanced thread.
5) Do what you want but give us an hope than in 2 years of playing we are able to reach rank 9. 99% of the players quit before so makes no sense we had not this chance without paying when you introduced other boosts like charm materials and purification pills for whales only.

This post was last edited by ayr***@yahoo.com at 2017-6-29 17:40
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On 2017-06-30 02:09:33Show this Author Only
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I completely agree with you, they need to add ways of getting advanced thread, your suggestions work quite well imo and should definitely be considered. They could also add them as redeemable rewards from events like lucky board as well.

There is absolutely no way to get to max battle armor as f2p or even moderate spender without playing this game for like 5 years as you have mentioned, if it continues this way.
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On 2017-06-30 02:30:57Show this Author Only
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They'll be much easier to obtain in the future (be it advanced threads or refines) as you'll be able to purchase them via silver coins which are obtained through dailies/TI/Survival Trial but who knows when that version update will hit the global servers. We're a little under a year behind CN's version but thankfully a lot of the gameplay issues that our players are currently bringing up has already been dealt with in their version due to similar complaints from their own playerbase.

edit: we should be getting advanced threads in hard SA soon (probably with the 3.0 update).

This post was last edited by Deculture at 2017-6-30 20:47
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On 2017-06-30 02:37:10Show this Author Only
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I'm a ftp and I don't plunder (on principle, I could easily do it)
My income since the end of the last lucky board(when I am broke, or at least close to) event is around 2700(spent 800 on rune key mystery fruit, had 1900 this morning, 1800 of which went to lucky board). End of last lucky board would be 8th of june, so 21 days ago.
600 of that is from convoy which conflicts with the plunder bit, so my "other" income is around 2100 in 21 days, so around 3000 a month.
Now, I might have some calculation error in there (or remembered something wrong), but it's definitely over 2000 a month, considering just fox, group summon and group wheel gets over 1500, close to 2000 a month for me.
Your estimate of 1000 seems like a gross underestimate.

Not that 1k extra coupon in "others" really change things much, your overall point is valid. I have more or less given up on rank 7 armor. The cost as it stands now is ridiculous. Unless adv thread became available elsewhere, such as monthly or lucky board, I'm not going to bother.

Personally, i feel they should replace medium thread with adv thread on hard SA, that would be a good start.

As far as space-time shop goes, the current credit:coupon value of adv thread is already one of the best buy, only second to the tactic box which have its problem in being forcefully diversified. So I really can't see a huge reduction happening there. I would love it if the exchange shop have adv thread available and takes low/med thread as well as all forms of cloth in for trade thou. Even if the trade rate is horrible, my hundreds of all 5 of those time, over 1k in case of low cloth, should be able to get me a few dozen adv thread at least.
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Hi there,

Thanks for the suggestion ^^
I will let the team know :)

Have a nice day
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On 2017-06-30 17:59:25Show this Author Only
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-06-30 02:37:10
  • I'm a ftp and I don't plunder (on principle, I could easily do it)
    My income since the end of the last lucky board(when I am broke, or at least close to) event is around 2700(spent 800 on rune key mystery fruit, had 1900 this morning, 1800 of which went to lucky board). End of last lucky board would be 8th of june, so 21 days ago.
    600 of that is from convoy which conflicts with the plunder bit, so my "other" income is around 2100 in 21 days, so around 3000 a month.
    Now, I might have some calculation error in there (or remembered something wrong), but it's definitely over 2000 a month, considering just fox, group summon and group wheel gets over 1500, close to 2000 a month for me.
    Your estimate of 1000 seems like a gross underestimate.

    Not that 1k extra coupon in "others" really change things much, your overall point is valid. I have more or less given up on rank 7 armor. The cost as it stands now is ridiculous. Unless adv thread became available elsewhere, such as monthly or lucky board, I'm not going to bother.

    Personally, i feel they should replace medium thread with adv thread on hard SA, that would be a good start.

    As far as space-time shop goes, the current credit:coupon value of adv thread is already one of the best buy, only second to the tactic box which have its problem in being forcefully diversified. So I really can't see a huge reduction happening there. I would love it if the exchange shop have adv thread available and takes low/med thread as well as all forms of cloth in for trade thou. Even if the trade rate is horrible, my hundreds of all 5 of those time, over 1k in case of low cloth, should be able to get me a few dozen adv thread at least.
I know it was an underestimation, but my 4500 coupons from plundering too was an overestimation XD. That said if like other people said we are really going to get advanced threads in SA with 3.0 I'm more than ok with it (did germany get them? Just asking out of curiosity) and if we also get those silver coins I'm fine, too. I just hope they appear soon. SA is one of the thing i like the most in this game and knowing it is going to be useless for me is a sad thought. d
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On 2017-06-30 18:02:07Show this Author Only
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  • Qolem On 2017-06-30 10:59:57
  • Hi there,

    Thanks for the suggestion ^^
    I will let the team know :)

    Have a nice day
Thanks for your reply. By being a player too you know how what i said is true, i just hope with 3.0 we get a good solution about this matter.
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On 2017-06-30 18:03:39Show this Author Only
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  • Zelgadis~ On 2017-06-30 17:59:25
  • I know it was an underestimation, but my 4500 coupons from plundering too was an overestimation XD. That said if like other people said we are really going to get advanced threads in SA with 3.0 I'm more than ok with it (did germany get them? Just asking out of curiosity) and if we also get those silver coins I'm fine, too. I just hope they appear soon. SA is one of the thing i like the most in this game and knowing it is going to be useless for me is a sad thought. d
We already have the silver coins that we get from Survival Trial. Unless these are different.
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2017-06-30 18:03:39
  • We already have the silver coins that we get from Survival Trial. Unless these are different.
Shops undergo a big rehaul in 4.0 where you have two major currencies:

Gold: Obtained from Jinchuuriki rescue, Cat Quiz, Sage World, and Matsuri. Currency for Magatamas, Seal Scroll frags, and Advanced Refines.

Silver: Obtained from TI, Arena dailies, daily quests, SA, Ranked Battle, etc. Currency for advanced/medium/common threads & cloth, cave keys, medium/low refines, purification & purification protection runes, etc


This post was last edited by Deculture at 2017-6-30 21:02
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On 2017-06-30 20:26:28Show this Author Only
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Deculture what happens to the coins we have now? Do they add up or we lose them and start from scratch? If so, I better start spending
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On 2017-06-30 22:40:17Show this Author Only
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  • Deculture what happens to the coins we have now? Do they add up or we lose them and start from scratch? If so, I better start spending
the current coins system changes before then anyway, that system is over a year away, china just got it a few months ago.

wait for the shops to get something u want or power items u need and buy those(it might take a while).

when the sun/moon coins come out they dont remove the current coins(except arena), you just get a new type of coin to spend on different things, the current coins become more for buying ninja frags
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On 2017-06-30 22:45:03Show this Author Only
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  • Shadoblaze On 2017-06-30 22:40:17
  • the current coins system changes before then anyway, that system is over a year away, china just got it a few months ago.

    wait for the shops to get something u want or power items u need and buy those(it might take a while).

    when the sun/moon coins come out they dont remove the current coins(except arena), you just get a new type of coin to spend on different things, the current coins become more for buying ninja frags
But it doesn't change the fact that there isn't any other options to get adv threads easily. It's either OAS makes an update with SA, add it in a new permanent event, or we have to wait for the sun/moon coin system.
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On 2017-06-30 22:49:38Show this Author Only
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  • Danzō On 2017-06-30 22:45:03
  • But it doesn't change the fact that there isn't any other options to get adv threads easily. It's either OAS makes an update with SA, add it in a new permanent event, or we have to wait for the sun/moon coin system.
sa will get an update first, germany already has it, sun/moon coins arent even worth thinking about right now they r that far away. oasis is likely to start putting more in events soon(i hope)
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Hello,

The thread is starting to sway from it's oryginal purpose, thus I'll be closing it :)
If you wish to continue the discussion about game mechanics, please do so outside of Customer Service, unless it's to suggest a change ^^

Have a nice day everyone :)
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