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1＃ Go ToHe is a complete pain in the arse. He tried to nearly ALWAYS go first with his bs which screws up so many lineups esspecially on auto. I have other ninja which are significantly better and positioned in such a way that I want them to go first but NO, sasuke is like "I hear you want to use any other ninja right now... So I'll launch my barrier instead."
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interrupt have precedence over barrier, if there is anything to interrupt (which is why if you have an interrupt on team, the game waits until your second move before attempting to cast barrier, as opposed to ASAP otherwise)
As for the suggestion itself, I consider auto battle to be something entirely different from manual battle. The expectation of your PvP lineup should work perfectly in auto is ridiculous. Part of the game is playing within known and reasonable rules to the best of your ability, not asking for the rules to change.
It is true that Auto AI is flawed, however, it is also deterministic. So anticipating AI behavior and building a team that works with it is interesting and challenging. Gomoku and Go are both played on the same board using same pieces, but they are different games. Don't go into a Gomoku game and demand it follow Go rules. -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-06-28 16:09:43
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interrupt have precedence over barrier, if there is anything to interrupt (which is why if you have an interrupt on team, the game waits until your second move before attempting to cast barrier, as opposed to ASAP otherwise)
As for the suggestion itself, I consider auto battle to be something entirely different from manual battle. The expectation of your PvP lineup should work perfectly in auto is ridiculous. Part of the game is playing within known and reasonable rules to the best of your ability, not asking for the rules to change.
It is true that Auto AI is flawed, however, it is also deterministic. So anticipating AI behavior and building a team that works with it is interesting and challenging. Gomoku and Go are both played on the same board using same pieces, but they are different games. Don't go into a Gomoku game and demand it follow Go rules.
When I create a team I create it out of logic and what works so I expect it to work. Not have nonsense like sasuke use his barrier in a team that completely relies on hinata using her mystery first instead of sasuke every time, or perhaps sasuke launch kirin instead of the obvs much better option of using the rasenshuriken from SN when the team has no interrupts, or even sasuke using his bloody barrier/kirin instead of main doing good dmg or taking out a char. Makes no sense to have him always push his bs first. On top of that what's the point in just creating counter teams on some deterministic system. This *s completely. I rather make a team and have it play the best it should against any kind of team and not specifically against the weaknesses of one team. This post was last edited by 642***@facebook at 2017-6-28 18:42 -
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Hello,
If you wish your auto team to use a specific mystery over the other, please put the ninja launching it last.
Example: if you have Naruto and Sasuke, and want to use Naruto's mystery on auto, please put naruto in this team last.
This rule works most of the time, however is also affected by factors like: what debuffs can a mystery cause, and how much chakra it costs (the more costly the mystery, the more priority it has) (if you ex. use Suigetsu in a team, he will go 99% of the time first, because he causes Tag, even though his chakra cost is low.)
EDIT: There are also some other factors to it, like interrupt mysteries being prioritized over all else, but I guess that goes without saying.
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- Qolem On 2017-06-28 20:46:42
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Hello,
If you wish your auto team to use a specific mystery over the other, please put the ninja launching it last.
Example: if you have Naruto and Sasuke, and want to use Naruto's mystery on auto, please put naruto in this team last.
This rule works most of the time, however is also affected by factors like: what debuffs can a mystery cause, and how much chakra it costs (the more costly the mystery, the more priority it has) (if you ex. use Suigetsu in a team, he will go 99% of the time first, because he causes Tag, even though his chakra cost is low.)
EDIT: There are also some other factors to it, like interrupt mysteries being prioritized over all else, but I guess that goes without saying.
This post was last edited by Qolem at 2017-6-28 20:52
barrier mystery is prioritized over everything other than interrupts.
Multi targets prioritize over single target, unless there is 2 or less enemy remaining in which case it's reversed. Summoning type (including kankuro, regardless of if puppet is up) is classified as single target.
Higher cost jutsu is prioritized over lower cost
So no, the placement thing won't help in this case, as sasuke is a barrier user, thus prioritized over everything except interrupt. -
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- Emperor Ziel On 2017-06-28 18:40:59
- When I create a team I create it out of logic and what works so I expect it to work. Not have nonsense like sasuke use his barrier in a team that completely relies on hinata using her mystery first instead of sasuke every time, or perhaps sasuke launch kirin instead of the obvs much better option of using the rasenshuriken from SN when the team has no interrupts, or even sasuke using his bloody barrier/kirin instead of main doing good dmg or taking out a char. Makes no sense to have him always push his bs first. On top of that what's the point in just creating counter teams on some deterministic system. This *s completely. I rather make a team and have it play the best it should against any kind of team and not specifically against the weaknesses of one team. This post was last edited by 642***@facebook at 2017-6-28 18:42
And I like tenten as a character so much, she should just instant kill all the enemy on round 1!
see the problem there? You are trying to change the RULES of the game for your own desired team and not making a team that would work well with the rules. That's not how games work.
PS: I do realize the irony of how GNW tenten is currently being abused in some teams. I actually don't use that, but I do like tenten as a character. I could have made the example using say... tayuya, whom no one really uses, but that would have been dishonest.
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By looking at the how auto battles play out there are some simple rules you can apply
First heals/shield mystery will be used if any ninja is >100% selecting the ninja with least health
Second CC type mystery will attempt to control ninjas using mystery regardless of position
Third higher charka cost mysteries if 2 mysteries have the same cost the mystery in a higher position will be used
Then you have the other mystery type priority
- Damage
- Barrier
- Buff
I hope by following this it can help you understand how auto teams select mysteries -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-06-29 02:37:51
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barrier mystery is prioritized over everything other than interrupts.
Multi targets prioritize over single target, unless there is 2 or less enemy remaining in which case it's reversed. Summoning type (including kankuro, regardless of if puppet is up) is classified as single target.
Higher cost jutsu is prioritized over lower cost
So no, the placement thing won't help in this case, as sasuke is a barrier user, thus prioritized over everything except interrupt.
I apologize, I meant the round 2 situation, not round 1.
It was a misread on my side, yes, it's correct that barrier launching is prioritized over most other mysteries. -
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- Qolem On 2017-06-29 05:44:31
- Concerning the suggestion that was the oryginal reason of this thread, I assume the best way to solve it would be "add an option to set priorities on auto"? If you are fine with it, I will forward it to our team, if you meant something else, please let me know :)
That would actually be sick, great idea. -
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