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1＃ Go ToIt breaks my heart every week to have to decide which packs to give to these amazing people.
My suggestion would be to add a participation reward - 5 seal scroll fragments every round you attaend in GNW.
So everyone in the group who attend all 4 rounds (2 wed and 2 sat) would get 2 seal scrolls a week.
Thats not asking alot, and it would be a huge difference to alot of players.
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I totally agree with this. You can have 54 different people to show up to support you and in fact you can have a lot more than that and only 10 will get a pack that week. That is a bit harsh. Adding 2-5 seal fragments per battle would be great.
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The reason why the packs are limited is to promote competition in the server.
By having limited number of pack it will prevent p2w / p2p players to gather in the same group and having "over" advantage towards other group which are f2p.
Unfortunately there are so few number of players able to realize or rationalize why the system is there in place, instead keep asking for more rewards.
No MORE additional rewards required for GNW, it is good as is.
If you want pack, make another group consisting of 10-20 of people and work it out. The more group in GNW is better it promotes stability and growth for all level of players.
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- Acer1 On 2016-11-20 17:41:00
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The reason why the packs are limited is to promote competition in the server.
By having limited number of pack it will prevent p2w / p2p players to gather in the same group and having "over" advantage towards other group which are f2p.
Unfortunately there are so few number of players able to realize or rationalize why the system is there in place, instead keep asking for more rewards.
No MORE additional rewards required for GNW, it is good as is.
If you want pack, make another group consisting of 10-20 of people and work it out. The more group in GNW is better it promotes stability and growth for all level of players.
Regards.
But it does the exact opposite. People will form groups to be the victors as how the game is set up that a person who is strongest snow* the hardest.
So instead of getting a weaker group that always loses people will join the strongest. They don't have to worry about being plundered and get a 25% bonus for convoys.
The issue is that starting a group is a huge undertaking just starting out. Most have issue making it to be able to compete in the GNW let alone have people show up.
So they can break off into 10-20 mini groups BUT the group with the top 15 players in it will always dominate and continue to dominate and get the better packs and as such continue to dominate harder.
The limit of the number of packs prevents growth for the losers of the GNW and the losers will continue to lose harder each time. If you open up a participation award it encourages players to have large groups and to bring as many people to battle as possible. As everyone will have a tangible reward. -
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- nh111 On 2016-11-20 19:08:17
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But it does the exact opposite. People will form groups to be the victors as how the game is set up that a person who is strongest snow* the hardest.
So instead of getting a weaker group that always loses people will join the strongest. They don't have to worry about being plundered and get a 25% bonus for convoys.
The issue is that starting a group is a huge undertaking just starting out. Most have issue making it to be able to compete in the GNW let alone have people show up.
So they can break off into 10-20 mini groups BUT the group with the top 15 players in it will always dominate and continue to dominate and get the better packs and as such continue to dominate harder.
The limit of the number of packs prevents growth for the losers of the GNW and the losers will continue to lose harder each time. If you open up a participation award it encourages players to have large groups and to bring as many people to battle as possible. As everyone will have a tangible reward.
Not really,
All top 8 that participates in the GNW will receive packs.
Just those who won got a little bit extras.
Still getting packs every week is better than waiting 3-4 weeks to get it once.
Many people didn't realize this thats all.
You don't need 15-20 mini groups, even 10 no 6 is good enough to cover the whole server,
if a server has more than 100 active players at one point of time is just an exaggeration.
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yes but it also has to do with the idea of winning. People want to be a part of a winning group.
The perks of being a part of the strongest group is very compelling and I don't think you take that into account. Or if you do take that into account I don't think you put as much weight as others do.
there is a reason why most servers have 1 mega group or two groups and that is it. Because people want to win. It is in the human condition to win.
Who wants to be plundered every day and barely sc* by when you can be a part of the winning group and not worry about being raided on the daily. Making 25% more AND winning at GNW versus the loss rewards. It adds up but it doesn't encourage people to * around on the server.
Yes, you may get a pack more often but that means those stronger than you will get better packs more often. This makes it so the strongest stay the strongest pretty much. By adding more rewards it encourages numbers in groups.
There is so much weight towards Quality; that Quantity is useless at least in my server. People won't break off into 6 different groups because while it would increase their power quicker. Granted. It would also increase those stronger than them; power even greater as they don't have to share packs as much.
Constantly losing because the top 15 stayed in 1 of those groups doesn't fix the problem. You can't legislate who goes to which group to balance things out. Granted Sage Battlefield sorta does. But that is an event. Who really wants to lose day in and day out with less rewards?
Answer that question and I think you'd understand why there is only 1 big group per server (maybe 2) -
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We have been deciding who gets pack by voting. So all the members vote for someone, who they think, deserves to get the pack. And that person is usually the most active player, the player who helps other members in TI, Convoy, Arena, SA, etc. Also, you cant get a pack two weeks in a row.
That's basically a win-win situation. It motivates people to help other members, to donate, etc... -
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- Acer1 On 2016-11-20 23:26:25
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Not really,
All top 8 that participates in the GNW will receive packs.
Just those who won got a little bit extras.
Still getting packs every week is better than waiting 3-4 weeks to get it once.
Many people didn't realize this thats all.
You don't need 15-20 mini groups, even 10 no 6 is good enough to cover the whole server,
if a server has more than 100 active players at one point of time is just an exaggeration.
Regards.
We have over 300 active players in our top 4 groups alone. We've been one of the lucky servers to stay very active due to friendly competition. Every group outside of that is dead or alts for easy convoy.
Group are designed to grow and build together, simply saying a system is fine how it is which it clearly contradicts the essence of what a group is, is just silly.
My suggestions was from a leaders perspective. I have at least 30 people every week who all put forth the same, amazing effort into building what we have and I feel bad that they have to wait every few weeks to get something for their effort and dedication.
The suggestion isnt asking for alot, and there are other ways seal scrolls are given out that require no effort at all. So to provide people with a reward for honest effort is just nice, and the right thing to do. It would go along way to promote what a group should be as well as improve the image of Oasis as a company, one small step into actually caring about a majority of their player base. -
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- nh111 On 2016-11-21 00:24:33
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yes but it also has to do with the idea of winning. People want to be a part of a winning group.
The perks of being a part of the strongest group is very compelling and I don't think you take that into account. Or if you do take that into account I don't think you put as much weight as others do.
there is a reason why most servers have 1 mega group or two groups and that is it. Because people want to win. It is in the human condition to win.
Who wants to be plundered every day and barely sc* by when you can be a part of the winning group and not worry about being raided on the daily. Making 25% more AND winning at GNW versus the loss rewards. It adds up but it doesn't encourage people to * around on the server.
Yes, you may get a pack more often but that means those stronger than you will get better packs more often. This makes it so the strongest stay the strongest pretty much. By adding more rewards it encourages numbers in groups.
There is so much weight towards Quality; that Quantity is useless at least in my server. People won't break off into 6 different groups because while it would increase their power quicker. Granted. It would also increase those stronger than them; power even greater as they don't have to share packs as much.
Constantly losing because the top 15 stayed in 1 of those groups doesn't fix the problem. You can't legislate who goes to which group to balance things out. Granted Sage Battlefield sorta does. But that is an event. Who really wants to lose day in and day out with less rewards?
Answer that question and I think you'd understand why there is only 1 big group per server (maybe 2)
But to be honest,
if you really have checked into the difference of the winning pack and the losers there isn't any much difference.That is how fair the system is.
As you stated it is due to the "Human nature" that "always" want to be with the band wagon what makes ppl want to stay in the winning group, when actually in the end they doesn't even benefit much and thus have "lower" chances of giving a fight in the long run due to lack of resources.
Which is why it is not the system that should be fix , but how the player think instead. Getting plundered is not the main issue, since 1 player can only plunder twice per day and you have 4 convoy time. and you are mentioning about the 25% convoy benefit compared to the 20% of normal convoy? Man have you even max your skill points? xD
if the top 15 players thinking straight, and all of them want to be at the top they will stop staying in the band wagon and try to gather resources as mch as they can.
P/S: Hashirama you said 300 active players but 30 active in your group that you want to give rewards? your active player numbers doesn't justify the 300 active players in server you mentioned. They might be 80+ members in the group but tbh 20-30 ppl max that are actually playing. x4 more or less 100.. -
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u just cant give out to everyone. that's for sure.
im in one of group that is doing 3th (lucky) or 4th or 5th.... ( not the leading and least populated group)
most ppl get a pack every two weeks. and some ppl get two pack every two week.
u guys will get lots of coins and points by winning in GNW.
but we wont.... so if u give out everything a lot for participation.
no one want to be in the lower tier group.
we are plundered all the time and obviously plundering is not even a question...
and we purely lose a lot by group skill diff either.
i think this current system i wont satisfy but at least i like the way they treat lower group and less populated group better than stronger group.
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- jQuery172038994 On 2016-11-21 11:40:14
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u just cant give out to everyone. that's for sure.
im in one of group that is doing 3th (lucky) or 4th or 5th.... ( not the leading and least populated group)
most ppl get a pack every two weeks. and some ppl get two pack every two week.
u guys will get lots of coins and points by winning in GNW.
but we wont.... so if u give out everything a lot for participation.
no one want to be in the lower tier group.
we are plundered all the time and obviously plundering is not even a question...
and we purely lose a lot by group skill diff either.
i think this current system i wont satisfy but at least i like the way they treat lower group and less populated group better than stronger group.
This post was last edited by kta***@naver.com at 2016-11-21 11:46
i personally think the power gap generated from group skills are huge that everyone wants to * into top leading group so lower group is really hard to survive. -
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- Acer1 On 2016-11-21 08:47:00
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But to be honest,
if you really have checked into the difference of the winning pack and the losers there isn't any much difference.That is how fair the system is.
As you stated it is due to the "Human nature" that "always" want to be with the band wagon what makes ppl want to stay in the winning group, when actually in the end they doesn't even benefit much and thus have "lower" chances of giving a fight in the long run due to lack of resources.
Which is why it is not the system that should be fix , but how the player think instead. Getting plundered is not the main issue, since 1 player can only plunder twice per day and you have 4 convoy time. and you are mentioning about the 25% convoy benefit compared to the 20% of normal convoy? Man have you even max your skill points? xD
if the top 15 players thinking straight, and all of them want to be at the top they will stop staying in the band wagon and try to gather resources as mch as they can.
P/S: Hashirama you said 300 active players but 30 active in your group that you want to give rewards? your active player numbers doesn't justify the 300 active players in server you mentioned. They might be 80+ members in the group but tbh 20-30 ppl max that are actually playing. x4 more or less 100..
Being active and putting in ALOT of effort are different things. -
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It need patience,
to raise the group level, again as i said as long as the top 15 doesn't hoard in the same group,
Being plundered is not even an issue. Worst case scenario make alts and run more convoy.
Group skills are just a matter of time, the top group won't be able to raise their group lvl as fast as the low lvl ones. But eventually it will be the same.
EFFORT is needed, and AWAY from the band wagon team.
IF you want it, the current system will be rewarding for you. But IF you refuse, then yea this kind of thread will keep coming asking for more, and all newbies will fled to new server and you will be playing alone sooner or later.
@Hashirama,Please leave ur server so i can go a visit and make alt there since you are claiming it is like 300 over active players playing, that would be fun.
ur IGN as well, so i can contact you ingame.
Regards
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- Acer1 On 2016-11-21 12:48:04
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It need patience,
to raise the group level, again as i said as long as the top 15 doesn't hoard in the same group,
Being plundered is not even an issue. Worst case scenario make alts and run more convoy.
Group skills are just a matter of time, the top group won't be able to raise their group lvl as fast as the low lvl ones. But eventually it will be the same.
EFFORT is needed, and AWAY from the band wagon team.
IF you want it, the current system will be rewarding for you. But IF you refuse, then yea this kind of thread will keep coming asking for more, and all newbies will fled to new server and you will be playing alone sooner or later.
@Hashirama,Please leave ur server so i can go a visit and make alt there since you are claiming it is like 300 over active players playing, that would be fun.
ur IGN as well, so i can contact you ingame.
Regards
This post was last edited by xsk***@gmail.com at 2016-11-21 12:52
but my point is if they start to give out like 5 seal frag per participation of GNW.
i dont feel like staying in lower tier group.
u dont even want to be patient.
i will just go for strongest group. will be afk in gnw and get full rewards and happy and easy life. -
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- jQuery172038994 On 2016-11-21 13:50:39
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but my point is if they start to give out like 5 seal frag per participation of GNW.
i dont feel like staying in lower tier group.
u dont even want to be patient.
i will just go for strongest group. will be afk in gnw and get full rewards and happy and easy life.
You my man don't even know what rank 8 got in GNW.
I'm not going to make it easy for you, go and try and all i can say is
THE REWARD IS TOTALLY WORTH IT, IT MAKES STAYING IN BIG GROUP AND NOT GETTING ANY PACK IS WORSE.
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- Acer1 On 2016-11-21 13:59:42
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You my man don't even know what rank 8 got in GNW.
I'm not going to make it easy for you, go and try and all i can say is
THE REWARD IS TOTALLY WORTH IT, IT MAKES STAYING IN BIG GROUP AND NOT GETTING ANY PACK IS WORSE.
Regards
well u guys get 1000 group coins right?
imagine if u win GNW....
u will get 2000 coins ( wed), 3000 coins ( sat)
if we count 2 weeks.
10k coins which converts to 25 med refine which is already huge reward.
lets say my group.
usually obtain 600-700 coins per matches
lets say my group obtain constant 700 coins per maches and did 5th everytime
1400 (wed), 700 (sat)
if we count 2 weeks
4200 coins which convert to 10 med refine.
this is already huge reward man ....also in addition to that
the total amount of seal scrolls u guys get per group is more than lower tier groups.
i understand big group may disappoint that someone wont get scrolls but if u guys divide and distribute well.
u get more adventage than lower tier groups.
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- jQuery172038994 On 2016-11-21 14:07:46
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well u guys get 1000 group coins right?
imagine if u win GNW....
u will get 2000 coins ( wed), 3000 coins ( sat)
if we count 2 weeks.
10k coins which converts to 25 med refine which is already huge reward.
lets say my group.
usually obtain 600-700 coins per matches
lets say my group obtain constant 700 coins per maches and did 5th everytime
1400 (wed), 700 (sat)
if we count 2 weeks
4200 coins which convert to 10 med refine.
this is already huge reward man ....also in addition to that
the total amount of seal scrolls u guys get per group is more than lower tier groups.
i understand big group may disappoint that someone wont get scrolls but if u guys divide and distribute well.
u get more adventage than lower tier groups.
This post was last edited by kta***@naver.com at 2016-11-21 14:11
Wrong ^^
Sorry but you have to try, its way more than what you expect ^^ -
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