1) Banning players is not absurd (Perception and Opinion)
4) Limiting vision of lower ranked members and removing vision would reduce the amount of people willing to join by some degree (Speculation, could very well increase it as it would prevent spying and thus create a more level playing field.)

If you consider removing spying to be ruining the gameplay then once again opinion.

How is spying mandatory function of gameplay? Please answer that one.

You guys know that placing 2nd in the final earns you 1 more pack than 1st place?So much complaining about loosing when you actually get more seals for your group in the end.

Everyone gets 9 packs.

Fixed We ADMINS need more permissions to get a better grip of what the hell is going on. Of course that's why we have Seniors, Anbu and Elite's. But sometimes in some servers specially in mine is NOT enough.
Sure you can kick one if you spot it (not easy sometimes) and is not because you are doing bad your job as an administrator but because the permissions are NOT set properly and you are not 24/7 in the game.

Furthermore the spy often will use several accounts not ONE but SEVERAL and when i mean several, i mean more than 6 and they will continue to donate and try to blend in to avoid to be spotted so fast, We caught one that way because the "offline time" was the same as the rest and he didn't even bother to be creative. Also if you have a spy that happens to own more than one account and continues to contribute if you kick the hell of out him and his accounts you face another issue = Activity rate drops, you have to double your turns and push your players further. That's why more than one admin/senior or whatever is asking for a set of permissions.
Change formations ranging in into the 1:30 to screw the spy or spies is useless, you could end fudgin all the strategy you had, if one or two users moved to another land.

So yeah, this is an issue that SHOULD be fixed. Many of US invested time, just to some random moron to sell intel to other clans. Also is true, this is not by anyway prohibited in the rules.
But just make it easier for Admins of Clans that want to grow, without using the same modus operandi as may use others and trying to stay "loyal" to the way they play.

If we lose, we lose fair and square but if we lose knowing that our position is being sold to a random moron then all the meaning of going to the GNW is useless. At least from my point of view. I won't be an hipocritical douche saying that's not about the prices and points we can make and take. But * is not easy to make some progress with a situation like this one.

Last but not least, many clans had previous admins. So even if you are part of it, sometimes you really don't know which whom are you playing. When an administrator leaves, most of the times 1) the clan dies or 2) the clan manages to keep it up with the new administrator. That happened to me.So start to sort it out which one is who and if that is not spy, you have to work even harded to keep the clan ranked at the end of the day.

Long story short, Oasis SHOULD do something about this. Creating a rule which the user can get punished for giving intel to others or just give more power (options) to the admin and seniors.


This post was last edited by onitatsuo at 2016-11-29 16:45 This post was last edited by onitatsuo at 2016-11-30 00:12

If you bothered to read my previous posts, I am in agreement with you. I have no idea why you were quoting me.

Sorry my bad bro and i've read your past posts. :)

This post still going lol, i dont see the point in it, overall promotes competition, and makes u work just someone said, there's certain counters for a spy, just use them, if not, then you're lazy.

And condoning is reprehensible. Next.

Does not promote competition that is just a perception. Spying has ruined servers, based on mutliple accounts saying it has. Yes, Anecdotal evidence but the same evidence that it promotes competition is anecdotal. But how does Spying promote competition? If you took spying out would there still be competition? In fact there would be MORE competition rather than less.

One thing though, the multiple accounts option can be used ALSO for farming and later selling those accounts to shady sites. So that's "ok?", but "is plain * if the administrator of the clan is labeled as lazy just because he/she can't or he/she doesn't want to counter those spies or play by the same rules as the others using moles?". Lol seriously?.

Honestly i don't get it.

1) This is causing more damage than we think, not to those TOP clans which happen to have many users and will every SINGLE friggin time, but to those clans who try their best to keep it up and be better each week. There's no way to fight back with some honesty, so let's plant a spy in every single clan and play with those rules, since there is NO RULES that doesn't condone or punish that kind of activity. Yeah you can quit the server where you invested time and some others money and done. Yeah that's the "easy way out", give up.

I'm far from lazy (also this is a discussion forum where each member express freely their opinions), but re-reading some older posts in this thread about *how to counter the spy issue* some have good points others just try to justify that is game about Ninjas so Spy is condoned and it's ok.
Everyone has their opinion about this matter, but easy to say if you are in the TOP 3 while the rest struggles every day to keep your clan safe and active ranked 6th to 8th.

2) Also there's no way (if you are an administrator you should know) WHOM you are allowing into your clan. There's no background history to check where he/she has been in the same server. My god lol we are Hispanos (latinos) and we have neat cool English speakers among our ranks. But there's no way to know when you accept one user, if he writes in English/Japanese/Mandarin or Kligon. :P






This post was last edited by onitatsuo at 2016-11-30 03:03

Like you said to someone, it's your opinion...i just dont see the point in some of the ideas, cuz it's catering to the lazyness of people rather than doing something about like someone said, u rather come to the forums and complain about it, yeah the ideas giving out, not so great, i like to see where im getting paired with.

Don't try and claim your opinion as fact. You never answered the question though. Nice deflection by the way

(( How does spying promote competition that is normally not there normally? )) You can't answer that one without subverting your position.

We all line up anyways, the competition will always be there. Oh, and what exactly would be the problem if Seniors/Leader are the only one's who can see the board and place people? If you answer is catering to laziness then you are part of the problem on why there is toxic nature in the game and why people will leave. They get pressed into losing conditions over and over and so they leave. By the time you get to the point where Spying is useless they are already the dominate group in the server. If you check the server where I belong. We don't lose, it doesn't matter how many spies they send.

But as per the Op's story, which until prove otherwise is legitimate. We have to take into account the toxic community destroying nature of spying. Spying doesn't build a community to game on.

You may like to see where you are getting paired with but since people have abused this function for so long, people are speaking up. Ever thought of why there is so much server bleed is because of the toxic nature of spying? Close games lost because someone passed on information that should never have been passed on.

If they did condone spying there would be an in game mechanic that had a chance of failure.

I'll give u one good reason....on China version there's spying, on big servers there's spying, game lets u create multiple accounts, do i call that competition, yes in a way it is, unless the mods come in and say it's not okay to spy in these games(which they wont) you just have to deal with it, with the solutions people helped you with, now if you dont want those solutions, it's your problem, not mine, or anyone else, here we help the best way we can, to ask a fix where it comes to the point where seniors and leaders can only see the battlefield plan...that's just catering to lazyness imo.

:lol :lol

Ah the logical fallacy of bandwagon.

Which you deflected from the question on the toxic nature of spying.

You also avoided the question how does it promote competition that is not there normally.

And you answered with laziness and thus contributes to the toxic nature of spying in the game. You say it would be laziness and why exactly would it be laziness? Please defend your statement. The competition is still being done, it is not like people won't go into the GNW if they don't have all the knowledge beforehand.

Also Hilarious

1st where do u see im deflecting your questions...i just simply told you how it is, and that's never gonna change, deal with it.

2nd Toxic players will always be in this game, spies or not, but yes regarding spies when i said it promotes competition you gonna counter it somehow, if you dont wanna counter and u wanna play "clean" then you're not playing competitive imo, and you just sitting and waiting for a fix from the devs, i call that being lazy.

3rd Like i said, this game promotes multi account, and it's there on the client itself, why wouldnt u make *t account and try to level, and counter spy?

and final statement, if you dont want to apply the solutions given to you, by other people to counter act the spy issue, then like i said it's your problem, because i can see the devs doing nothing about, rather than agree to the solutions proposed.

how does it promote competition that is not there normally.


Here allow me to break it down easier for you on what you are NOT answering.
So if there were no spies how would it effect GNW, would it be any different overall?

It wouldnt be different at all, if people created solutions and apply them rather complaining in the forums. Just saying.

So nothing would change other than it would remove spying which is a toxic act. Just saying.

Dude i had spies in my group, and i still have, will it make a difference? sometimes yea, sometimes no, really depends on how u handle them, but come here crying and then complain about solutions given arent good enough, those arent permanent, those are just what people found out to be most useful, i guess people just want a easy way out, it's all about moral code in the end, and that's never gonna change tbh.