So what would the problem be to make it so only seniors and leaders see and move people around? Nothing.

Any people not allocated would be randomly placed. (Gotta love auto) And it may not bother YOU but what is your group called?

And by the way my group that I am in-- is the dominant group in the server. We don't lose. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't implement things that prevent others from having fun. How many people leave because they feel they can't win because of spies. More than you care to admit.

first of all im not against the feature you want to add, im only pointing the fact that the only way to win is to use a spies? we aren't using one on our server and yet we beat the top guild with a victory point of 7, 6, 5 and 3. im saying to you is don't blame a 'spy' if you lose

Why are you so *hurt? No one is saying that your idea is bad, but this is not a suggestion page. If you want to suggest something, there is a specific forum for you to do so.

The OP is asking about situation of spies and how to solve this problem, so I gave him my own opinion. Sure, my group dominates the server, but we are close with the 2nd group. They put spies in my group, I put spies in their group, and my group won 95% of the time. Although, despite what I said, if you have a smart and balanced group, you simply do not lose in GNW, with spies or not. Spies are simply sort guarantees in attempt to win.

If people leave because they lose, it's their choice. If they don't try to do enforce any methods or measurements to get to win, then they deserve to lose. Simple. Victory is earned, not given. So, currently, you either try to win by kicking spies in your own group, or put your own spies in their group. This post was last edited by 115***@facebook at 2016-11-19 17:42 This post was last edited by 115***@facebook at 2016-11-19 17:44

Hi :D
I just check if they donate daily, number of days that they've been online or not, power growth, and if when they attend war your strats get broken, if they talk in GC, WC, PM, etc
Honestly the members who are low level and low power tend not to donate/help the group much so you can consider kicking them (the spies are mostly there) since they don't contribute much anyway
if this problem continues make sure you discuss with your seniors again because i really doubt your top members will be spies

This isn't about me taking a loss personally like it seems to be the assumption. I'm angry that my group has to resort to having to counter act this kind of garbage in the first place. When your on your high horse of "Well we win every time" crap it just makes you look arrogant and clearly miss the entire point of why spys are a * bag "tactic" in the first place. Wait till your group is under someone else's boot every week then tell me how I had no reason to get angry. Until your in that position you have no idea how aggravating it is to watch people just quit cause there is no way to compete with a trust fund kid with cheat codes. The spy crap shouldn't be just accepted as part of the game and by saying yeah we have spys in other groups you know you just openly admitted to cheating in the game on the forums of which they have mods and your account is tied to right? So if the mods turn this over for it to be looked into you not only screwed your self but your group as well. Just a bit of thought for you while your on that high horse.

Of course, this isn't about you taking a loss personally. I did not imply anything about that. Nobody said that. I wondered why you are being so defensive, since I'm just suggesting solutions for you.

You assume that I am on my "imaginary high horse" about winning, which you also assume that it makes me look arrogant, but you also missed that I used it to proved my point that these "*bag" spies tactics and counter-spies strategies works. I try to tell you that to improve your chance of winning, you should use spies, but if you don't, then it's up to you. However, you will be the one continue losing, because this tactic is used in every servers, every games, and every regions ever. Also, I know that my accounts and forums are tied, thanks for caring. I'm not scared to admit the usage of tactic that I deemed to be acceptable.

If you want the spy tactic to be unacceptable, then why are you making this "anyone have any ideas to solve this problem" topic? Go on and make a thread about spying is unacceptable in suggestion forums. Anyway, if you really feel that offended to my words and my suggestions, I'll just go away, since you are so defensive and so prideful about not using these "*my" tactics against people who used it against you. At the very end, your so-called "pride" of not counter-acting and doing nothing will be your own fall.

Ok the spy thing might be easy for you and your group to deal with cause I'd guess your in a large group on a fairly populated server with more then 3 people over level 80 and have close to 80 members? Smaller groups have no chance against people who spend a ton of money and the only thing they have going for them in the way of a fair fight is the war set ups. So when your already down cause the cash cowboys flock together and have to cheat on top of that. Your fighting a loosing battle and I really don't see how that's so hard to understand unless you have never been in that spot. Clearly I'am not alone in this based off other responses.Send in a spy of your own isn't a valid tactic that free to play players c*e. I'm one of the strongest people on my server in the top 5 actually. There is only one group that have ran the server from day one and the only loss they have was to my group. Shortly after is when the spy crap started and the fact that the other top 4 people on my server are all in one group and drop insane amounts of money like yesterday pulled all three of the kazakage people in a row in less then 5 mins. Now explain to me why a group that over powered needs to cheat. There is only 3 groups in gnw every week on this server cause people have just quit over the spys and in short fighting a battle they can not possibly hope to win with the only weapon they had taken away. Im not trying to pick a fight just more interested in the logic you are using and how sending in a spy of your own would work in that case.

Thanks for clarifying, your current situation is now understandable. I agree and sympathize with most of what you said, however I have some of my own opinions.

Why do overpowered groups need to use spy

I had 30 people in my group for the last war which almost filled the slot lowest levels are other members alts at around 70. We had beat this group on several occasions for the qualifiers and flat out beat them one time for war with less people then I have now we practily doubled in numbers. Now that fallowing week we had a spy enter and has been a thorn in my side since. My group has only got stronger so its not a issue of power its a issue of placement. I have one 3 man team that will whip the crap out of there top 3 guys hands down forming a pain wall with tendo being the crowning jewel of it. That's how we beat them was tactics and working together as a group. So when your only weapon against that kind of money is taken away cause of a spy and that group boots people who cant meet the cash requirements they become god on the server. They effective nutter the spy system and over power everyone and still cheat to boot so its a seal clubbing every war when they can avoid the guys that beat them. That's why I get so angry over spies and the fact that I am one of the only 5 people on the server not in that group over level 80 I take the cheating my guys out of a fair fight more seriously. I could understand losing if it was just a power issue but obviously that's not the case. Cause 30+ people over level 70 shouldn't get destroyed every week and the only level 80 in the group is tracked like a hawk and forced to fight every other level 80 at once EVERY TIME. This crap and that group has turned a once full server into a ghost town.We only have 3 groups in gnw now so we have no choice but to face them every week and my group is the only one strong enough and active enough to do anything. The only hope that server has is the devs make to where only the top 3 people see the set ups,ban spies or the server is dead and people get boned out of the money and time they invested into it.

Then it should be even more effective for you to use counter-spy tactic. You can see what they are placing, and you just avoid their strong players or matched them with your strongest.

Although did you stack your players on 10/8/7 fields? If you won those 3 fields, you'd win regardless since all them combined give high points. Another solution is to weed out spies. If you know your members well, it would not be hard to rid the spies out.

Other than that, I still support my own point that counter-spy tactics will be the best for you now, considering you can beat top players with your combos. Just match your combos on their fields. You c*so tricked them by placing your teams carelessly while changing at last 10 seconds or so to match them.

They more or less have the server on lock cause no one can keep up with there demands money wise. and on a server so small if we merg groups one more time it will basicly make the server pointless. I guess we just have to accept the server is on its last leg and were just stuck pushing the car up hill until server merg and hope the cash cowboys join.

either set up group requirements, move fields at 10 seconds, or use spy accounts as starters or back ups on fields that'll need it.

If you said that there is nothing you can do, then the only thing you can do to react is to kick the spies. Put minimum requirements or some sort to the group to effectively label alts and spies, then kick them. My group uses minimum donation and overall online time to divide spies from normal members. If you talked a lot with your members, this shouldn't be much of a problem, I think.

This won't really work to well if the spy is determined to stay. Meaning they will keep up with everything that is required of them to stay in the group, and still not draw attention to themselves.

You have multiple options to do with spy accounts roaming your group.

1.Use the accounts to the best of your ability when it comes to war.

2.Kick members who recently joined and are below your group requirements.

3.Move at 10 seconds.

4.Spy on them if their requirements to join aren't very high.

5.Kick members who join and don't donate(Usually those are the spy accounts).

Also spy accounts usually won't be very active, won't donate, aren't very high in power for their levels, don't talk much during wars or don't talk at all.
These are all things you can do and look for to find all spy accounts in your group.

well besides kill the game as they can not add in anything that the cn does not have/do its just you guys forget its a game for fun people spy thats life kick them from your group problem solved or have your boss and seniors move poeple at the last 10 seconds

The only viable option is 10 second swap I guess till they make it to where only the top 3 see who is where in placement. I just remember when cheating got you ban or a black eye. Now its just accepted which is really sad that people are that weak to just accept being a door mat and are ok with it. I guess its cause I grew up with the nes and had to develop skills and actual tactical thought that this ticks me off like it does. Back when you had to have a brain to play a game without someone handing you the keys to the castle.

lol my group...even if it has ever had spies...which i doubt...
I have never thought of anyone as a spy :D
We kick inactives normally.
I don't require anyone to give donations/contributions though I HAVE asked that everyone at least try to donate from time to time.

We have the 2nd highest level group(by a bit) at rank/lvl 7 almost 8.
We always have the same people and their alts in GNW.
Everyone that joins the GNW is usually active in the group with 90% of those giving at least some donations to the group.
The less active ones never show up on Saturday(big day!)....
^
So I never feel like anyone is a spy...unless they are an OP spy that covers their tracks....but if they do...then they are still giving donations :D
Spy all you like if you'll help MY group grow~

Well I figured I'd update this. I got rid of the spy and because he was the second moron to do the exact same thing. Keep almost the same name in the other group he was part of. Why I didn't think to look at who's on the server I don't know maybe I just underestimated other peoples *ity by thinking catching one person the same way there was no way a second would be that *.I was wrong and there were 2 people that *. They missed me during war all together and it was a fair fight only lost by 3 points and that was my fault for putting all the lowbies in one spot to test if we still had the spy. I have blocked all applications so now spys are no longer a issue until server merg then we start the loop all over again.