Oh yeah, two side questions:
1) Anyone know if Guy's Tortoise summon will be expensive? Will it cost like 2000-3000 coupons, or will it cost like GNW Tenten? Or is it for free? I dunno. . . .
2) What did Hashirama say to Madara in the war?
Why don't you make like a tree and leave! Ba-dum tss!
K. Spoiler failure. Whatever. >_>

Hmm, any control team can be hard to beat, if skills are used properly. They are hard to guess and can stop your plan simply by immobile/acupunture.

Sorry, can't think of a concrete solution yet. Can you provide some more info? Like opponent formation and whether you have more refine or not.
One counter could be lightining main root of warrior setup. It has anti-control potential.

About the fire main standard, he attacks directly opposite to himself. So unless hinata is at directly infront of fire main, this attack can't be dodged.

And, I'm curious myself if you or anyone can figure out an effective counter to the team you mentioned. Although I believe in the saying- 'fight fire with fire' :lol. So maybe you can counter with a control team of your own.

Use root warrior with Iruka, even f2p still can buy Iruka 3* when treasure event come.

Honestly just play on control and not power. Great ninjas at control are Hinata, Neji,etc. The hardest ninja to beat is tobi because of the dodge other wise you might need rng with positioning and all of that

I would like to know about the tortoise too :v

What about Gakido? Is he useful? . . .but then he can get immobilized by fire main . .unless he uses his mystery on himself?

I ran into an interesting team .
Earth main, GNW Tenten, Gakido, and Iruka.
Notice that Iruka has no chases, albeit a shield and buffs. . . He can be technically replaced ..
Maybe with Ao. No shield to Earth and Gakido, but you do have shield for Tenten, Ao, his two clones, AND an acupuncture. . .
Or I guess you can replace it with Sasuke or Kakashi for extra firepower .. I dunno . . . something like that.
Orochimaru Sannin is questionable. . he offers a high float to knockdown as a finisher with high combo . .
He revives. . but a shield for Tenten would be nice .. eh . .

How would that team fair in this control meta?

And yeah . .mystery of Guy's Tortoise. . .any thoughts?

I would assume that Guy's tortoise would not come cheap. Considering it hits 6 bodies, as compared to King of Hell, which hits only 3 (but debuffs with poison).
Considering the past events for certain premium ninjas (*cough* Tobirama *cough* Hiruzen), we can prolly expect it to be in the more than 10k ingots area.

As for Ao, Tobi, Sage Naruto, SB... what main are you running?
I believe in this current meta, you may find decent counters in all mains, provided your power levels and refinement aren't too far apart.
SB vs SB is the easiest choice, see who can seal off who faster and Tobi cannot evade his mystery (ie. using your Tobi against his). With reflect you'll have to attack first so that the debuff will reflect back to the enemy. If you use Ao, you can acupuncture S Naruto first and take out Tobi in round 2 (I'm guessing Ao and SB would have used their mysteries).
CF vs SB is also viable, with your main being the immovable tank. Tobi in pos#2, with Kabuto for healing debuffs and clones. This will offer more survivability if his dmg doesn't outstrip you completely.
AF can go for an immortal (or semi) team, consisting of 1-2 or up to 3 healers. You'd do very little damage, but poison stacks up to 5lvls and immobile works wonders.

GNW Neji can acupuncture Tobi in round 1.
You should also run Tobi in move 1, because Ao may fail to hit Tobi, but Neji always hits Tobi.Tobi c*so hit Tobi, so if you can control the first move, you can defeat his Tobi faster.
They can spend both controls to block your move 1 tobi, but you also block their move 1.
So it comes down to move 2.
If you also run fire main, you can immobile their move 2 also, then you can have highest move initiator in round 2.
Also, try to find the opportune moment to activate all of these : wait for genjutsu mirror proc, wait for ninja standard attack before using immobile, wait for fire to use debuff removal if they are not running clone....
This post was last edited by lex***@yahoo.com at 2016-11-14 19:41

Ao is inferior to Iruka in that build.
Iruka buffs the DAMAGE of Sage Naruto and also the Scarlet Blaze Main.
There is no reason not to use Iruka over Ao.
(use dog of hell summon and phoenix flower chase)

Acupuncture only really works if you are fire yourself or water that applied poison first otherwise all youwill achieve is acupuncture your own sage naruto. I usually acupuncture with ao after applying poison with poison tai but lots of fire have ao so most of the time you just have to * up tobi mystery and acupuncture or paralyse him with something else This post was last edited by Belerephon at 2016-11-15 03:31

Sorry but if the enemy know how to use his CC skills you're dead. even if you use Gakido, The only way to counter it is playing lightning and using his talent root of warrior and a team like sasuke / kimimaro.. etc..

Other way is using neji or gnw neji in 1ª position, you can accupuncture sage naruto or tobi in round 1.. but is better in round 2, unless you're using scarlet B, as main too with mirror talent... also you will need more initiative than the other enemy. at least in neji.
Using paralyze at least 1 ninja that can paralyze like sasori / lightning main / play sas.. are the best options.

If you run at least one debuff ninja or can combo into a debuff , you can wait for the mirror to proc then use acupuncture, is that not obvious ?
Tobi has ignite normal, fire has sleep, water has combo into immobile, some have other combos...
But if you want to beat the Fire meta, you kinda have to be Fire meta...

If you use GNW Neji and Fire main, surely you can control at least one ninja into round 2...
Never use Neji in move 1, that's just predicting that you always have higher refines....Do you have max refines ? Or do you expect to NEVER WIN against someone who has higher refines than you....
Always try to control into round 2, so you can have the first move, potentially killing 1 ninja so their combo is broken.

That why i said its easier to do it with poison tai team cause all your attacks cause debuffs.

bump tortoise :loveliness:

Just wait for the Kage meta to kill the current meta