Not gonna happen.

Get good

nuff said

i cant even This post was last edited by ch3***@gmail.com at 2016-10-24 00:12

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can still dream T.T
i mean, there's legit 20~ until they hit 200 servers.

no one must of cared enough. :\

You seem to never, ever play Scarlet Blaze don't you ?
Death Mirage cancels 1 debuff from main himself and 1 debuff from a random ally, which means it can be total wasteful in a lot of cases. And the extra 20 chakra will only grants an extra mystery, which won't kill anything unless the power different is HUGE.
Now compare to other classes.
Root of Warrior can grants immunity to up to 3 ninja, which include Sasuke. Killing Intention of Warrior + Root of Warrior + Sasuke's barrier is the real death formular.
Water main standard heal can remove every debuff on the ally with lowest HP, which tend to be the one with most debuff. EVERY DEBUFF. EVERY ROUND.
Earth main, while maybe vulnerable to debuff, can create sturdy shield that is hard to take down. Steel Boby, you can't get a combo on him, making him really hard to kill. Those 2 aspects make Earth main very annoying, can stonewall players stronger than him into a default.
Giant Rasengan with Gaara's barrier is monstrous too, while Dance of Impetus can help you cast one single-target mystery twice a round, and THAT can kill 1 ninja on round 2.

Long story short, you can spin any main into an OP character if you want. But if you want to do that, at least play the * main before talking. If you have play Scarlet Blaze, you will describe his skill on how it works, not on how the text said, which is half gibbrish and seriously misleading.

Death mirage is very unreliable because otherwise it would be borderline overpowered with combination with mirror otherwise but mirror needs to have the ignition component removed yes. At the moment the mirror is like both having the pie and eating it .

Has access to inflict Immobile/Stun at the cost of no healing.
Water main can still inflict Immobile with Chakra Dissection Blade and still heal. So what you said is very wrong. Perhaps you meant not heal as much, since healing tips and neurotoxin is in the same row?

I wonder why CN still hasn't nerfed Fire Main, from what I saw on their website in his skillset, nothing seems to be changed. Most ppl play Earth anyways XD

Let me tell you something.
FM. okay.
Gaara GWN. okay so what it's Gaara.
Naruto. it just gets worse. you'll see.

ready?

Neji 2*. or GWN Neji, no access to his mystery CD so i can't judge for sure. but 2* Neji with possible first turn acupuncture brings ridiculous pressure in the first 2 rounds.

x-FM-Neji
x-x-Gaara
x-x-Naruto

why? if you aim for Neji. you leave FM open to burn and harass. if you aim for FM, Neji' locks you out from even comboing your jutsu's, hell he can lock you out if you aim'd for him or anyone for that matter. then you have Gaara and Naruto to worry about. on top of being ignited and not able to CC them.

so yes, i haven't played as FM to see how broken the chakra gain on Death Mirage may or may not be. but that's besides the point here. the issue is how easy it is for FMs to get out of CC just because he's a FM. and oh wait, damage boost on ignited units too?! YES FKEN PLEASE!!

OH ARE YOU GOING TO HEAL DAT IGNITE?! OKAY. not even sure if you can even heal it. hell, FM specifically denies your heals. (via text, misleading or not.) in a game that's been out for awhile now, i'll go with the misleading texts.

all i know is. the debuff cleansing needs to get looked at.
legit, look at my listed suggestions of changes.

it'll changes FM's gameplay. do you want debuff to also reflect? or do you want damage boost?
do you want the debuff cleanse?! or the damage boosting chakra recharges?!

FM's shouldn't be able to get both worlds.

anything can be OP, yes. but FM is a step above the others. and with this suggested team i'll get eventually. only thing that can stop it would be from being under-powerd.

if you suggest another FM team, you've proven my exact point.
the debuff cleansing needs to get looked at. hence suggested changes.

and apparently you missed out on the whole Lightning Main breakdown.
if RGNesus is against you, and end's up reflecting para on Sasuke. you're screwed. don't even think about acupuncture without adding in an additional CC. but that's 3 rounds in. and at that point you already lose out on so much time with the 'sword ninja buffs' you're already facing another set of Neji lockdown.

so yes. if you wanted me to spill some free formation beans and tips. you've done it.
now give me something to counter that ridiculous team that i've not yet seen but will make should i ever roll a FM.

because that setup is legit broken. Neji's there just cuz disruption is a thing. and to further prove why Mirror Return needs to change. Death Mirage? 60 chakra round 2? yes please! further proving why the Neji 2* pick. and the pure threat of surviving the first 2 rounds before Gaara and Naruto start to ramp up.

this is about Mirror Return in general.
Death's Mirage just happens to work so well with this setup, it makes me cry if FM's roll anything other.

of course there is the free random ignites and buff dispels that's best for long term, via free ignite application. and the shadow clone. cuz Neji and FM are the obvious big threats, having a 3rd threat in the clone is more insult to injury. seeing as the way Mirror Return works now is borderline broken.

RNGesus will is favor slightly more towards FMs just because of the way Mirror Return works.

so please.
id rather take the long story if you're gonna cut it down.
if you're trying to keep FM as is, tell me why. are you my friend. a FM?! cuz dear god, balancing your FM out must be taboo. hell, i'll say it over and over again.

"Mirror Return"

instead of transfering the debuff.
it should in turn 'mirror' the debuff. aka, apply the debuff to opposing unit. WITHOUT CLEANSING aka healing the debuff'd ally unit.
also a removal of ignition damage boost and in turn toss it into the Ekkei passive, similar to Lightning Main's 'Sword-based' team.

in that way Death's Mirage becomes an obvious pick for the debuff cleanse. and gives more breathing room to the above 3rd threat scenario.

i figured the 'pure' set builds would clarify this.

and also as what Belerephon stated.
FM's Mirror Return is like having the pie and eating it.

imagine if WM's c*e her strong heals coupled with immobile. that's what FM's have right now. the ability to immunize a debuff and send it right back to your team.

i rolled EM. just cuz i figured i can co-play as a pseudo-Rock Lee with the Lotus.
turns out FMs are literally not allowing me to CC. even worse if they have access to a Gaara. or Naruto. or both T.T

fire main not broken lol.. get good ur just bad.
many ways to play around it

Lol fire main is not broken. Take away those two things, change it in any way they become borderline useless. Like when I say useless , I mean like * they become not viable. Every main gets a counter to the mirror. Water can just heal that debuff right off, in fact if running a poison tai build you have nothing to worry about all they will mirror is poison and get poisoned again. If using earth are you serious, stack that shield up and just play smart. Do not cc right of the bat, just bait that mirror, same with wind main. Lightning mains do not even get phased, tai build to the rescue. Really there does not need to be any balanced. To answer your question china doesnt nerf fire main because they become like the second less used class in the game and you will know why soon.

For Christ's sake! You fight a team with Gaara and Naruto then proceed to blame Fire main for being too OP ?
And what the heck is "end's up reflecting para on Sasuke" even mean ? Only dumbass would cast non-prompt skill right when the round start, and if you are not that dumbass (still not understand where the "reflecting para" come from) you would be blissed to see a debuff reflecting on Sasuke.
On side note, a Fire main with Death Mirage is sitting duck for interruption. Other character can cast their mystery right away leaving a small time frame for the opponent to react. A Fire main need to trigger Death Mirage first before casting mystery, which leave a huge time gap for the opponent to react so don't whine about that passive is OP.

tell me.

FM, Gaara GWN, Naruto, Neji 2*

what are you gonna do if you can't even hit that backline?
Neji locks you out from ever casting a jutsu.
FM backline dragon breaths.

all the meanwhile Naruto and Gaara beefing up.

and no, you can't use a FM against this team setup.
otherwise you further prove the point that Mirror Return indeed needs to get looked at.

Sasuke. in your LM scenario.
meaning, there are opportunities for the paralyze status to be inflicted on said FM team. meaning, via Mirror Return. that paralyze (aka para), has a chance to get inflicted on Sasuke. hence RNGesus.

also stated. Death Mirage isnt what i'm talking about here. legit first 2 lines of wording in the OP.

"As it stands Genjutsu - Mirror Return, is borderline broken.
gets even better once you unlock Death Mirage. "

legit. strictly speaking of, only, and about. Mirror Return.
Death Mirage was added because it further boosts the debuff cleansing, something only Death Mirage should be able to do. of course, it's all in the "suggested change" section if you've even read that far.

and yes. Gaara and Naruto.
sure, they are great in all teams. but we can agree that on a FM team. those 2 are at their strongest. they can't get debuff'd. if they do it's cleansed. and interupts?! that's where Neji comes in. He's the hero. placed in the first ranked slot. He gets priority. He also has a prompt. He, my friend. is what makes the suggest core FM team i listed so strong. why? because yet again. Mirror Return

not Death Mirage. Mirror Return
edit:
x-FM-Neji
x-x-Gaara/Naruto
x-x-Gaara/Naruto

if i'm understanding speed tiers, turn orders, battle progressions, or whatever it's called correctly. then Neji is in the first ranked slot. the fastest place to be. the first to move.

now, if you're gonna use reaction timings to corelate the relevance of battle mechanics.
you should assume the best possible situation.

in any situation, Neji will get his mystery off and stop the opposing team from doing anything. of course, you'll aim for priority jutsu's to cancel. stuff that leads into combos. such as Giant Rasengen. anything else is practically irrelevant.

and those are just the first 2 turns.

because Dear God,
if you didn't do anything against that FM lineup, prepare for Gaara takedowns. why? because ignited foes take more damage. why? because Mirror Return. oh and also Neji's mystery is back up and ready. hope you're ready again.
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so what you're telling me is.

you didn't look at the suggested change and continued to reply because you believe i'm a scrublord. amirite?

FM. Gaara GWN. Naruto. Neji 2*/
please. help me beat that team.
that's not using another FM team.
or game mechanics messing up cast times.

No I looked at the suggested change. I read your whole thread even and still again I still have to explain what others have already said or why the scrubs scream nerf fire main.

Everything a fire main has can be heavily punished. Mirror against a smart player can be heavily punished. If I know a fire main is running mirror, i would bait the mirror and there are many ninjas capable of baiting this passive. Trust me mirror passive does not turn you into a god, I run it and against smart players, they will use it against you. Next death mirage, that skill does not make you op. In fact fire mains give up a lot of defense just for that skill. Initiative turns to * too because of that skill. Now i will point out counters.

Azure is a heavy counter to fire mains genjutsu mirror and death mirage but just as she is a counter, he is a counter to her healing and such.

Earth main is probably the only non counter to fire main, they always leave themselves open to cc, but again with higher ini they can interrupt and most earth mains run a damage interrupt team with a debuffer.

Lightning main should not even be concerned, you are like the king of killing fire mains.

Wind main this is like a counter to fire mains too because again wind mains use clones. Clones if rng kick in take the cc mirrored since the mirror is kind of rng.

You c*so add a mirror user to counter them. Again this class is very balanced , in fact all classes are balanced.