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On 2016-10-11 21:57:46Show this Author Only
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Hey Guys, was this intended? If your immune to CC but get hit by an attack that normally would cause CC, it interrupts you as if it had hit you with CC?

This happened to me with both Acupuncture and Imobilized.
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On 2016-10-12 00:11:23Show this Author Only
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  • WolfMaster On 2016-10-11 21:57:46
  • Hey Guys, was this intended? If your immune to CC but get hit by an attack that normally would cause CC, it interrupts you as if it had hit you with CC?

    This happened to me with both Acupuncture and Imobilized.
Well, interrupting moves are the lowest tier of the < interruptiion >. Interruption (is not a debuff) can stop someone casting a move. Acupunture and Immobilized will not only interrupt but also leave CC to the target, if the target is immune to CC then the interruption is still in play.
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On 2016-10-12 00:34:33Show this Author Only
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  • WolfMaster On 2016-10-10 12:14:24
  • @Harambe: I'd love to do that, but here are a few problems with your theory:
    1: Hinata Taunt has priority as I've seen all the time. If you're Acc. with AA's, it's not going to work.
    2: Scarlet Blaze has a high priority "NO!" *on that costs 0 Chakra to use, no chakra usage.
    3: Even if you get through Taunt AND Immobilized, Genjutsu Mirror reflects the status back against you.
    4: And even then, if you do all that, if your not using an AA, Tobi dodges.

    So again, how?


I am using Fire main from the beggining of the game, so let me set a few things straight:

1. Hinata's Taunt has "Prompt". If you have any ninja with interrupt on 1st slot that has higher refines than her, you win.

2. High priority NO! that disables you for 3 rounds if you use it, + works the same as Hinata's Mystery, which means, if you have higher refines and better position, you win.

3. Genjutsu Mirror only reflects 1 status per turn. Not too great imo. BTW Kurenai, Kakashi BS, and Ningendo have also a Mirror free to use

4. Do not focus Tobi, kill main, Main boosts Tobi's damage.
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On 2016-10-12 04:54:19Show this Author Only
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As a Fire Main that runs a bomb team which is way better than the hinata squad. You really just need to prioritize their main producer of repulse. Usually that is the main but sometimes it could be Sasuke. Once the source or repulse is gone a team that relies on Hinata falls apart.

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On 2016-10-12 07:02:32Show this Author Only
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Ya know, all of your arguements thus far have been invalid.

1. Dont focus Tobi - You guys making this argument dont know how to read past the first line. I TRY to focus main or whoever, But I CANY because of controll.

2. Bring Immunity - That only stalls the inevitable Because his technique can still interrupt even without landing the cc. Can someong please tell me why this glitch persists? IF I AM IMMUNE TO STATUS, ACUPUNCTURE AND IMMOBILIZED SHOULD NOT INTERRUPT MY JUTSU, BUT IT DOES? WHY?!

As you can see, between the Status Immune glitch, Taunt, and 0 Chakra control, there are no counterplay options. All of your suggestions so far have all been the same, AND THEY ARE NOT WORKING.
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On 2016-10-12 07:24:52Show this Author Only
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  • WolfMaster On 2016-10-12 07:02:32
  • Ya know, all of your arguements thus far have been invalid.

    1. Dont focus Tobi - You guys making this argument dont know how to read past the first line. I TRY to focus main or whoever, But I CANY because of controll.

    2. Bring Immunity - That only stalls the inevitable Because his technique can still interrupt even without landing the cc. Can someong please tell me why this glitch persists? IF I AM IMMUNE TO STATUS, ACUPUNCTURE AND IMMOBILIZED SHOULD NOT INTERRUPT MY JUTSU, BUT IT DOES? WHY?!

    As you can see, between the Status Immune glitch, Taunt, and 0 Chakra control, there are no counterplay options. All of your suggestions so far have all been the same, AND THEY ARE NOT WORKING.
I stated you bait the cc first round, assuming they are running chakra seal. then the second round you go all in on main, why waste your time on tobi when he most of the time negates your mysteries and ocne hes dead he comes back to life 9 times out of 10. All the while your're letting the rest of there team wreck havoc on yours. The main character is the prime focus in most fights, unless its a konan or sage naruto. Point done.

You can counter him by slotting and refines, don't expect to always win, the cc immobilization team is hands down one of the best, if you cant beat it copy it.

I don't need to run it since I'm literally doing exactly what I stated above and killing the main before anything & baiting cc round 1.
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On 2016-10-12 08:14:54Show this Author Only
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Interruption occurs despite the fact that you are immune. It's simply like in the Strong Approach when you have to fight Hidan and Kakuzu who is immune to status but you can still interrupt them. This is how the game works, deal with it.

And as a Fire main, let me set things straight.

1. If the fire main uses this so-called "0 chakra STOP!" as his skill, you can bet your ass that his team will most likely not be able to start the combo, the only thing that will start his combo would probably be his next 3 chars, just put CC on them, problem solved.

2. If your team is completely destroyed by this "0 chakra STOP!", it means that your team is bad. Period. It's not OP or unbeatable, bring debuff healer, problem solved while the fire main can't use this skill for the next 3 turns.

3. Learn how to adapt and *yze the team, Fire mains rely on formations and cc combos a lot, cut one of them off (AKA. Acc, cc on someone, especially the target that can do statuses and combos) they immediately lose power in fights. This basically applied to all teams in basic, but for fire, this effects a lot since Fire cannot easily recovered from this without a healer. Judging from hearing your complaints, the fire team you are facing would not and could not put any healer on his team anyway. (Exception to Karin)

4. Refine your equips so you can move first. The team that move first will most likely win. Period. If you move after, just don't whine if you lose, it's how the game works. First team to move = first team to establish CC, simple. This post was last edited by 115***@facebook at 2016-10-12 08:15
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On 2016-10-12 08:37:42Show this Author Only
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Personally I prefer this Fire main / Tobi meta more than what'll will come in the future with the Tanky/Evading Earth/Water stuff.

This one has more counter-play, everythings bursty and squishy. Just take out the linkers i.e. Kakashi/Sasuke/Fire main and it crumbles, you can even do it with Battlefield 0 CD skills and characters, like Wind main hurricane skill (extra effective vs Kakashi/Sasuke lightning).

Anywho, just have to wait for Tobi nerfs regardless, Tobi mystery no longer KD (i.e. he doesnt chase himself) and he doesn't revive. I don't think its necessary but whatever.
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On 2016-10-12 10:14:38Show this Author Only
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Well.. I just want to say that without tobi it'll be harder to beat p2w players (I'm f2p, Sage jiraiya was luck pull), and yeah I also have a team with Scarlet/Tobi/Hinata. This is a game where in a fight we can put a lot of combinations, ones better than others. Tobi will be nerf but until that comes you can make good teams with him :)

This team...
http://www.subeimagenes.com/img/im1-1665641.png

C*most kill this one.. but also you have to read the enemy to do that...
http://www.subeimagenes.com/img/im7-1665643.png

And yes, there's others f2p formation that I have hard time to fight but well, is up to all of you to discover those formations XD
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On 2016-10-12 11:14:35Show this Author Only
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Was 1st Hokage a lucky pull? That seems a lot less F2P, considering it has Iruka AND 1st Hokage on the team. Can you get Iruka without spending money on the game?

That is the team I am seeing all the time, if not sage then some replacement for sage, and my god its * to fight against. I just want them to nerf Tobi and I'll be happy, but seriously why does Fire Main's best jutsu cost 0 mana when it does to much to begin with?
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On 2016-10-12 11:26:21Show this Author Only
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  • WolfMaster On 2016-10-12 11:14:35
  • Was 1st Hokage a lucky pull? That seems a lot less F2P, considering it has Iruka AND 1st Hokage on the team. Can you get Iruka without spending money on the game?

    That is the team I am seeing all the time, if not sage then some replacement for sage, and my god its * to fight against. I just want them to nerf Tobi and I'll be happy, but seriously why does Fire Main's best jutsu cost 0 mana when it does to much to begin with?
I am the one at the left XD
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On 2016-10-12 11:34:23Show this Author Only
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Oh, I misunderstood your post. I thought you said that you have trouble against that F2P formation, except that wasn't a F2P formation lol. My bad Orutra.
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On 2016-10-12 11:51:36Show this Author Only
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  • WolfMaster On 2016-10-12 11:34:23
  • Oh, I misunderstood your post. I thought you said that you have trouble against that F2P formation, except that wasn't a F2P formation lol. My bad Orutra.
Lightning -> Kimimaro+main+Jugo+Sasuke
Earth->main+Tobi+Kabuto+Tsunade
Fire-> My same formation (instead of jiraiya, Kakashi/Kankuro/GNW Kankuro/Tsunade)
Water->Kimimaro+main+Kisame+Kabuto
Wind-> Well with this one I can beat all f2p combinations... but the hardest to deal is: Kankuro/GNW Kankuro+Tobi+main+Kurenai/Tsunade
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On 2016-10-12 21:57:43Show this Author Only
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Wolfmaster ... so lets get at it from an f2p perspective .. i play F2p lightning ...so my linup in the 70 is kimimaro jugo sasuke. if i face a scarlet with te tobi hinata lineup the fight goeslike this .

Turn 1 i wait ... if he does not use his interupt imediately ... and then use sasukes barrier right before he would atack. ... alternatively ... i just chill and click jugo at the end of the turn.
Turn 2 main is on pos2 in my team so i wait a sec to see if he uses his pos 1 tobi. .... if yes ... i use my chidori after tobis mistery if not i use my chidori ... targe main. ...Firemain 95% dead.
Turn3: kimimaro on Tobi ... tobi lost his first life. if the main was not dead last turn he is now.
Turn 4 ... i switch to auto cause i alrady won.

and why does this work ? ... cause im immune 2 turns lololololo.

and on my F2p fire acc i play Tobi hinata kakashi ... cause it is strong vs the earth main meta we ahve on the server lel. bu t stilll lose to most lightning or Water mains we ahve. cause they caunter fire pritty good.

and since this is just another OMFG tobi op thread.
Did you ever play vs a water main with Hinata gnw Kankuro and Orochimaru ? if not .. have fun when the water mains on your server see this team lel
Oh... and before i forget .. i didnt see your linup anywhere in the post... what are you running ?




This post was last edited by spa***@gmail.com at 2016-10-12 22:04
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On 2016-10-13 10:53:27Show this Author Only
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no...you minimize dmg taken on that round...if scarlet interrupts your main, use a character with a fast skill (initiative+position on board) that can paralyze scarlet or someone else important in the combo chain...after that interrupt is used it wont be available again for 3 rounds. You need to survive that round where you are interrupted and then you should be ok...
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On 2016-10-14 19:53:40Show this Author Only
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  • mayuri kurotsuc On 2016-10-12 21:57:43
  • Wolfmaster ... so lets get at it from an f2p perspective .. i play F2p lightning ...so my linup in the 70 is kimimaro jugo sasuke. if i face a scarlet with te tobi hinata lineup the fight goeslike this .

    Turn 1 i wait ... if he does not use his interupt imediately ... and then use sasukes barrier right before he would atack. ... alternatively ... i just chill and click jugo at the end of the turn.
    Turn 2 main is on pos2 in my team so i wait a sec to see if he uses his pos 1 tobi. .... if yes ... i use my chidori after tobis mistery if not i use my chidori ... targe main. ...Firemain 95% dead.
    Turn3: kimimaro on Tobi ... tobi lost his first life. if the main was not dead last turn he is now.
    Turn 4 ... i switch to auto cause i alrady won.

    and why does this work ? ... cause im immune 2 turns lololololo.

    and on my F2p fire acc i play Tobi hinata kakashi ... cause it is strong vs the earth main meta we ahve on the server lel. bu t stilll lose to most lightning or Water mains we ahve. cause they caunter fire pritty good.

    and since this is just another OMFG tobi op thread.
    Did you ever play vs a water main with Hinata gnw Kankuro and Orochimaru ? if not .. have fun when the water mains on your server see this team lel
    Oh... and before i forget .. i didnt see your linup anywhere in the post... what are you running ?




    This post was last edited by spa***@gmail.com at 2016-10-12 22:04
The way to beat you is to kill kimimaro round 2 and seal sasuke barrier :v.... just that I can do that to players with 2-3k bp more than me... more than that i can't kill that formation XD, or also you can seal jugo after he attaks then he can't combo next round and Scarelt keeps alive :v
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On 2016-10-15 17:49:16Show this Author Only
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Fire main? Have u guys tried EMC with tobi? With Tobi placed behind EMC.

Earth actually can buff his whole team more damage than fire main, and even provide tankiness with the shield.
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On 2016-10-15 18:36:22Show this Author Only
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well its seems like everyone want scarlet blaze nerfed so why not?not like there's nothing to nerf lol
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On 2016-11-10 15:19:48Show this Author Only
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  • On 2016-10-10 12:47:21
  • One of the most popular firemain lineup is Hinata, Tobi, Kakashi, Firemain.

    From what I realized, Tobi doesn't dodge Neji's mystery, use it to your advantage.
    Neji on first move usually move faster than firemain, who is usually on the 3rd or 4th move.
    Counter mirror genjutsu with mirror genjutsu or debuffs.

    What I usually do is I acupuncture Tobi and take out Kakashi, which means I take no damage from mystery in the second round.
tobi can dodge acupunture from ao and neji because i think tobi dodge still high to evade mystery skill
i am still failed to seal tobi in turn 1 if i use neji there are only luck to hit tobi in turn 1 , i am always meet tobi in survival and still hard to seal him
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On 2016-11-10 17:30:43Show this Author Only
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  • Kaizaki On 2016-11-10 15:19:48
  • tobi can dodge acupunture from ao and neji because i think tobi dodge still high to evade mystery skill
    i am still failed to seal tobi in turn 1 if i use neji there are only luck to hit tobi in turn 1 , i am always meet tobi in survival and still hard to seal him
I managed to acupuncture successfully most of the time using GNW Neji, not sure about normal neji though.
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