This tobi bandwagon hype is a joke, he's not OP nor is he broken, the fact everyone uses him gives him this image he is, I do not see him needing a nerf or anything like that, and I don't use him. Stop wasting your time on him and focus the main dmg dealer or there main.

Scarlet Blaze they are a cc main now we've hit mid game and were on the scarlet blaze OP train, when we all first started it was Midnight Blade, soon enough well be hearing water main OP. The meta changes every class has its pro's and con's. Bait there move first turn with something you don't need or don't mind losing, then round 2 abuse them for it. My whole server uses the blaze/hinata/tobi combo doesn't seem to work out for them if you prioritize correctly.

Who has a jutsu that can start a chain that can 100% to 0% a 4-star/5-star Hinata with max stats first turn with someone who is free to play? If you don't kill Hinata turn 1, you've lost 3 turns in the match. I've never focused Tobi, ever, in the game, tried to kill Hina or Scarlet within the first 2 turns, and guess what? With the 100% guaranteed 'NO' *on for ABSOLUTELY FREE, while having you on complete lockdown for 2-3 turns, is complete radish.

Seriously, Fire Main, Tobi, and someone with Taunt who can negate attacks. The only thing I can think of is Puppets. And that's not possible without some pay characters or getting lucky in the draw. And even then, free puppets don't combo well togeather.

Sadly enough that's the meta and will only get worst with cc heavy teams in late game. Going to have to * it up and deal with the hinata/tobi/blaze combos.

To counter the sleep auto from blaze is clone or evasive ninjas ie neji/kimimaro.

Shouldn't be focusing the hinata or the tobi, there main should be the focus.

easy to accupunture tobi first turn immobile or overalll kill him twice

@Harambe: I'd love to do that, but here are a few problems with your theory:
1: Hinata Taunt has priority as I've seen all the time. If you're Acc. with AA's, it's not going to work.
2: Scarlet Blaze has a high priority "NO!" *on that costs 0 Chakra to use, no chakra usage.
3: Even if you get through Taunt AND Immobilized, Genjutsu Mirror reflects the status back against you.
4: And even then, if you do all that, if your not using an AA, Tobi dodges.

So again, how?

idk how to explain because i have yet to encounter tobi scarlet team i couldnt beat with lightning nd earth main

Then you must be lucky with RNG, not using F2P teams, or you're not sharing your complete team information and explaining how to beat a Scarlet Blaze that is the perfect solo control

One of the most popular firemain lineup is Hinata, Tobi, Kakashi, Firemain.

From what I realized, Tobi doesn't dodge Neji's mystery, use it to your advantage.
Neji on first move usually move faster than firemain, who is usually on the 3rd or 4th move.
Counter mirror genjutsu with mirror genjutsu or debuffs.

What I usually do is I acupuncture Tobi and take out Kakashi, which means I take no damage from mystery in the second round.

So, you'll need to be Scarlet vs Scarlet... or unlock a Genjutsu Mirror ninja that you can add to your team?

A "NO" *on you said has 3 turn cooldown and using it mean scarlet can't be a combo starter anymore.
His auto attack can be counter by clone or ninja with dodge passive i.e : Hinata, Kimimaro, Neji.
Use Kurenai to counter his mirror, use the multi attack mystery of earth main with a healer to cleanse his debuffs, use Root of Warrior, etc...
Refine your gears.
This month sign-in reward is GNW Kankuro and this guy is a beast. You get him for free today if your server is not just opened.
The problem is our meta rightnow favorite fast pace type of team, everyone want to kill enemy asap and forget about healer. When it come to that MB and SB are superior than other which cause this thread.
Just wait a little longer where everyone start to become tanky and watch people go here cry about earth and water main. Wait... that already happen in old servers.

There's also the option of using interrupt and cleansing debuff. There are also many other ways other than the one i mention. You can throw a useless debuff at him to be reflected, such as ignite, poison etc and then go ahead and acupuncture him.

its true that you never should target tobi first even tho its easy to kill if you miss your mystery its almost as you lost,I suggest to use someone with paralyse againts scarlet blaze so he wont have how to use his chases also acupuncutre would work great if you have someone in first line to use mystery first good luck :) This post was last edited by We*er at 2016-10-10 16:42

As stated above, a puppet user on the team really helps against Fire mains, more so the team you are talking about. If you get lucky, the puppet will be lined up to take the Fire mains sleep, making it useless. Along with that, you can ignore Hinata round one if you want, as your puppet user will ignore her taunt and combo start who ever is in line with them (even Hinata her self). Another thing the puppet does is cause poison, meaning you just burned the Fire main's mirror allowing you to now acupuncture Tobi with Neji.

There are alot of other work arounds, but this is one of the simple ones. GWN Neji, and GNW Kankuro should both be unlocked to you (I hope), and they are very good ninja.

Getting Kankuro in a few days, but I missed out on Neji. I forgot login rewards for aa few days so I am sol.

Will they be re-releasing the GNW shinobi next year or am I SOL forever because of my missing these ninja?

I main fire and use many Tobi teams. I would love to replace him with Kankuro but it's hard passing up a 5* for a 2*.

Even if Tobi did not have the revive / dodge you should never kill him first. What you need to do it break the combo or interrupt the combo starter. I will list a few teams I use and what ninja you should kill first.

1. Tobi,Tsunade,Kakashi. - If you can interrupt the fire main do it. If you have no interrupt and ca't afford to take the combo you can paralyze / immobilize Kakashi to break the combo.

2.Tobi,Hinata,Sasuke - puppet users and other ninja like Kiba and Naruto can combo on Hinata turn one Just like team one interrupt the main if you can and if you need to break the combo throw a debuff on Sasuke. This team is weak to debuffs as it has no healer.


You should be doing gnw every week and spending all of your ranked / group points on refine runes for refine events. Without spending anything on runes and only like 200-300 coupons my main is at 6,6,6,5,8 and my other ninja are at 4/5. If you can attack first you can easily break the common Tobi teams. I have seen too many people go for ninja they don't need rather than refines. Refines are too important and need to be high if you want to win in this game. This post was last edited by Arawn345 at 2016-10-11 02:50

Was in your shoes in my server, Till I got a class change, and *ing with it until wind lives to see the day again. (Wind to earth)

You could try and heal off the debuffs, but naturally with fair bulk and good first hit speed, You can take them down. Weaken the one that provides the heavy combo setup into tobi, (Ex Kakashi, Sasuke+Hinata, etc.) Mostly the paralyzing ninja's, so they can't break your own combo.

Speed + Good damage output = Crippled generic fire
Bulk + Debuff removal + Damage output = Also crippling.

honestly, only fire team I can't beat atm are the heavy spenders, but not all of them are in fire, so I have no complaints.

Honestly I think you can argue that every main is OP.

With enough refines/magatama...

Earth can throw up shields every single round, which stiiiinks.
Lightning paralyzes and does that 10 times in a row thing (*lightning armor) which is reaaaaally annoying.
Water can heal a half-dead team to 100 and clear debuffs with a pretty short cooldown, which ticks me off.
Wind has AOE damage that destroys clone walls, which I really hate.
Fire has ignite/debuff clear/interrupt, which I don't mind since I'm fire XD

And the team has an impact too (I mean, Captain Obvious, but still.)

i think the tobi/earth main combo is more OP

Dont focus ur target on tobi! He is very tanky because he have high evasion rate. Kill the otherS and tobi the last one. I missed in a Battle 5 times tobi withmy mystery ahahah but he was alone so i won xD 4v1