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On 2016-10-07 14:41:08Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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So before I begin, I want to make it known that I don't complain often. If a game rubs me the wrong way, I usually just leave. This game however, or rather how the new ninjas are being handled is disgusting in my opinion.

After playing this game for awhile, it's come to my attention that maybe I just don't have enough experience with p2w games. I've usually played mmos that even when people are p2w, with enough skillplay, you can beat them. That doesn't seem to be the case with this game.

I'm on server 2 currently lvl 77 (almost 78) with 26k power earth main/shurado/ningendo/gakido. I've been able to beat a few people 30k+ but it gets to a point where im losing a pain in the 1st round. I'm fine with this, they've paid more so I understand the power difference. Each update, the game tempts you with "small payments" that in turn end up becoming quite a bit later on. Battle armor, refinement, mags, moods, all end up either pricey or taking months to get any kind of progress after a point.

I'm fine with all the above, the problem or "problems" is how new ninja are acquired. I've been wanting to get 4 tailed naruto since the beginning of this game. The fact that 3 stars alone cost nearly $300 is insane. Have you guys actually thought about how much you're spending on these "characters"? I'm not trying to guilt trip anyone over the fact that they are paying money in a free game, as I've done the same. The problem is that these characters cost WAY TO MUCH!

From youtube videos/forum posts, the pulls seem to be fixed at 40-60 pulls for 1 rare. 400 for a super rare currently. That's $100 for 40 pulls each. $1,000 for a super rare (aka) tendo/hashirama. And APPARENTLY, Susanoo Sasuke/Raikage will be 900-1000 SCROLLS which is easily $2,000+. Susanoo Itachi is $7,500. Guys...this is a BROWSER GAME. Not a triple A, not a virtual reality game...a BROWSER GAME.

Once again, I don't fault anyone for paying money...but when they are charging THIS MUCH MONEY simply for characters...I'm sorry but I don't think I can play this any longer. "But you can get the characters for free." Lets just say that you were able to get a legendary pack every week. Lets say you were after Tendo/Hashi, so 400 scrolls. That would take you 40 weeks of constant legendary packs to get him. It'll take less time if you spend coupons and what not but seriously, thats a problem. Especially since super rares are costing EVEN MORE SCROLLS after kage packs are released. Add another 40 weeks to get a sasuke/raikage. So f2p who constantly gets 10 scrolls per week without fail would take you a year and 28 weeks (if my math isn't wrong) to get them.

I've seen f2p players constantly complaining about every event coming out. Don't complain about the events, complain about how much it takes to get a simple rare. I could buy a simple ps4 game for $60 with 80 hours of single player story, and an even playing field in online multiplayer. $60 on this game can't even buy the event sage jiraiya....really?

The only way I can see that would solve this problem a bit is the introduction to elite instances that give fragments of these characters NOW. Just because people get a "free pain" during "90" cap where he will get bodied by all the new jinchuriki/kages don't help. I also suggest that the treasure pulls go random all the way. Someone should be able to 1st pull a rare/super rare. Getting a super rare as a f2p is honestly going to take nearly a year of constantly pulling from that box. A super rare from kage treasure and higher will take a year +.

Does anyone remember the first time they fought a full pain team? I'l never forget it. It was arena so the only thing that they had over me was the fact that their refinements were better. Guess how it went? I got demolished. The double chases, bind, full cleanses, revives etc were too much to handle with f2p ninjas. How do you think it's going to work when f2p finally get a pain team? Only to go and fight a team with nothing but kages? The same exact situation will play out.

I am highly competitive. So before someone come and tells me "it's only the top 10-15 or so that will have those characters, so don't worry!" I only fight the "top 10-15". I've lost to maybe 5 people around my power. The only people that seem to give a challenge are people 3k+ above me. Once they get that high above me however, "skill" goes out the window and I'm simply overpowered by dmg. IE a 35k shurado blasting mine for 6k.

This game has the potential to have skillful matches, but if no one can get decent characters except the top spenders, whats the point? No amount of "skill" can stop the crazy combos/skills these new ninjas are being introduced with. Just like "pains" simply crushed the f2p ninja, the "kages" will crush pain teams. The fact that "topping up" means dropping $1k+ to get new ninjas alone is gross. In the previous mmo I played, $100 was considered "topping up". I just don't see how this game can get away with selling characters for $300+. You're not getting it max mooded, high refines, high mags, nothing. Just the character alone....disgusting.

TLDR: Every event seems to make characters price jump higher and higher. Between this event's $250-$300 characters, and future characters that will cost upwards of $2,000+ to obtain....The game is getting out of hand. The value of $ in this game is horribly imbalanced. "Lucky" pulls from events don't help.


This post was last edited by Hakkyoku at 2016-10-7 14:54 This post was last edited by Hakkyoku at 2016-10-7 14:55
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On 2016-10-07 14:56:42Show this Author Only
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+1 agree...
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p2w players also dont like this.
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On 2016-10-07 15:05:11Show this Author Only
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I heard Susanoo Itachi was 3k not 7.5k, but still it's a lot.
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On 2016-10-07 15:12:58Show this Author Only
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Have you ever heard of bleach online? Unlimited ninja? League of angels? They are just browser games too but it is much worse than this game in terms of cash investment. As of rn, I'm doing fine with the game not spending a dime on new ninjas and still manage to kill pain teams. Tbh, this game is just like any other p2w game. You pay to get the good stuff before the players. It's expected you'll probably do way better than a f2p. It's honestly how a game like this or any other that has a money scheme like that. I don't see the point of complaining .
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On 2016-10-07 15:14:18Show this Author Only
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It's the model of P2W browser games, just gotta go with it. I would like for it to be different but it isn't.
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On 2016-10-07 15:19:50Show this Author Only
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  • ronaldfranklint On 2016-10-07 15:14:18
  • It's the model of P2W browser games, just gotta go with it. I would like for it to be different but it isn't.
This isn't the first game that has this model. People need to realize that's just how most browser games make money.
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On 2016-10-07 15:20:11Show this Author Only
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  • Sanaasasa On 2016-10-07 15:12:58
  • Have you ever heard of bleach online? Unlimited ninja? League of angels? They are just browser games too but it is much worse than this game in terms of cash investment. As of rn, I'm doing fine with the game not spending a dime on new ninjas and still manage to kill pain teams. Tbh, this game is just like any other p2w game. You pay to get the good stuff before the players. It's expected you'll probably do way better than a f2p. It's honestly how a game like this or any other that has a money scheme like that. I don't see the point of complaining .
I've never played those games. I've only recently heard of them from playing this game. If they really are more p2w than this is, then that's sad. I guess I'm just not into games with this model. I love the combos, gameplay, and customization. But the amount of money they want for simple characters is beyond insane.
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On 2016-10-07 15:27:14Show this Author Only
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I can argue that you don't have to. Don't let the fact that these ninjas are p2w steer you from the game itself. The community is whiny but funny. The forum has a lot of discussion with strategy. It's a good game despite its cons. Again these ninjas that people are paying for will eventually be overpowered by new ones. It's another thing called power creep. :)
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On 2016-10-07 15:35:21Show this Author Only
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You don't even need all of that, in arena (i am too lazy to test stuff outside) i have beaten people with better(paid for) characters by using silly stuff like shika ino zabuza and earth main. It's not about the ninjas, it's about the team strategy. Ofc at some point, outside arena, they are simply too strong. But that also happens in any mmo where there's pvp, even if there's no p2w.
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On 2016-10-07 15:44:13Show this Author Only
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  • On 2016-10-07 15:35:21
  • You don't even need all of that, in arena (i am too lazy to test stuff outside) i have beaten people with better(paid for) characters by using silly stuff like shika ino zabuza and earth main. It's not about the ninjas, it's about the team strategy. Ofc at some point, outside arena, they are simply too strong. But that also happens in any mmo where there's pvp, even if there's no p2w.
See, I'm not talking about beating p2w people that can't even beat a shika, ino, zabuza team. In other mmos, if someone out gears you, normally if you use hit-and-run tactics, sometimes you can come out on top. Heck, not even hit and run, sometimes you just outplay them. This game doesn't let that happen if the other player has at least 2 brain cells
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On 2016-10-07 15:45:11Show this Author Only
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About the pricing, HELL YA, its way too expensive, but what most forget is that we are still at the start of this game even though most are close to the end of it by throwing loads of cash at it. Its said that we are "eventually" about to get most ninjas in the game "practically for free" which might take years to come..
Well, I really commend the developers and the upper management of the game, doing a great job at creating the need and supplying the demand.
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On 2016-10-07 15:48:21Show this Author Only
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As a f2p that has absolutely NO rare ninjas (as in paid, draw only), I have to object. Even though it is difficult to play the game against stronger ninjas who pay for their power (I'm on S1, I know what I am talking about xD), but tbh pains are not that big of a deal. As a f2p you get sannin, most of the akatsuki, taka, all of those ninjas are really good. Seal/Tendo/Sage draws are an extra, which I am still waiting for, but it will be all the more rewarding if I wait for 3 months now, to see that glow on a card. If I got them instantly at the beggining, it would be boring, at least imo xD

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On 2016-10-07 15:52:39Show this Author Only
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So if someone is thinking for themselves and they win, that's not a good thing. Well that's just outright ridiculous.
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On 2016-10-07 15:56:10Show this Author Only
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  • ronaldfranklint On 2016-10-07 15:52:39
  • So if someone is thinking for themselves and they win, that's not a good thing. Well that's just outright ridiculous.
what do you mean?
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On 2016-10-07 16:03:21Show this Author Only
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https://gyazo.com/6e3cc053fc8f6069a2ad742048723576

That's what you said here, if someone has 2 brains cells it's unfair. That makes no sense that if someone thinks for themselves and they win, that's not okay.
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On 2016-10-07 16:11:03Show this Author Only
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  • ronaldfranklint On 2016-10-07 16:03:21
  • https://gyazo.com/6e3cc053fc8f6069a2ad742048723576

    That's what you said here, if someone has 2 brains cells it's unfair. That makes no sense that if someone thinks for themselves and they win, that's not okay.
What I meant by that was that it is already hard enough to beat a team full of p2w ninja simply because the abilities they come with are much better than a f2p players team. If they have any type of competence, you will have a 0% chance of beating them. IE. A shika team vs a full pain team. If you guys are in arena, there is honestly no chance of the shika team winning, if the person with a pain team knows how to play.

That was the point of this post, I'm fine with f2p out playing people with high tier ninja. The problem is that the high tier ninja are becoming more and more "rare". If it takes a month or 2 to get 1 pain, how long do you think it will take to get 1 kage? The gap will continue to widen.
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On 2016-10-07 16:17:25Show this Author Only
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Actually, from the replies I've been getting. I assume that I'm just in a bad bracket for not paying anymore. I'm in the middle of the p2w group, and not paying. People I could beat a week ago are now 3k-5k power ahead of me. It has went from skillful close matches, to getting steamrolled.

I guess I'm just not accustomed to how people can jump in power within a few days. I'm used to people getting better at the game / reading your moves better vs just powering through someone after dropping a thousand or so in money.
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On 2016-10-07 16:21:12Show this Author Only
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That's like a normal (not p2w) mmo too though, just there instead of having to pay money, they just need the dumb luck to get a good item. Just like you can lose an important fight because of a critical hit, or a resist. This post was last edited by Sturm at 2016-10-7 16:22
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On 2016-10-07 16:33:31Show this Author Only
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  • On 2016-10-07 16:21:12
  • That's like a normal (not p2w) mmo too though, just there instead of having to pay money, they just need the dumb luck to get a good item. Just like you can lose an important fight because of a critical hit, or a resist. This post was last edited by Sturm at 2016-10-7 16:22
The crit and resist system are based on refinements. Someone with higher refinements than the person they're fighting will not get resisted or at least I've never seen it happen. Crits are a different story. And dumb luck would benefit free and paying players. Because right now, Paying is the only way to stay in the top.

Once again though, top tier players and ninja are a side complaint. It's the price of ninjas that made me make this post. $250+ for a character is unacceptable. I don't see how you guys can try and justify that. 250 should be able to get you the ninja, about 10 lvl 4 mags, some refinement and maybe 20 mood scrolls. Instead, you get 1 ninja and are told to spend more to pump him up or wait 6 months to get him. when he's extremely outclassed now
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On 2016-10-07 16:46:17Show this Author Only
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P2W will always be ahead of F2P here, this is just one of those type of games.. I mean unlike certain games like Dota 2, it will come to a point where skill and strategy are completely pointless here. Well, I'm still doing well in the arena, but no such luck at events such as SWB.
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