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On 2023-04-02 00:51:11Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Lately I've been coming to the forum to ask for things that are more up to Tencent who is the game's developer to resolve than Oasis who acts merely as an administrator, but now I would like to ask for some things that are within Oasis' power to resolve. I will list in topics for better reading by the moderators.



1. Addition of Experimental Protection Vial in the Groceries Store. (The Skill Trials system has been in effect for some time and this feature has not yet been made available in the Groceries Store. It is disheartening to have to rely on events to achieve this, which in theory should be a way to help mainly F2P players to get characters minimally competitive.)


2. Bring more Skill Trials and Character Breakthroughs for three stars. (Continuing on this subject... Something I also don't understand is why some characters have a Skill Trial available for three stars while others like Hashi Edo, who is a very difficult character to get, don't have that "luck". )


3. Make characters available via coupons, which at times can only be acquired via ingots. (Seriously, I really understand that every company needs to capitalize, but making ninjas over a year old in the game available P2G only is extortion at best.)


4. Make character prices per ingot more affordable. (This is really amazing. Some characters are released for an extremely affordable price on the Chinese server, but reach the western servers costing the price of a POPULAR CAR. It is a very high price to pay in a bunch of pixels and codes that sometimes come even buggy in some cases.)




Well that's what I wanted to say. I apologize for the acidity in some comments, but there were some things I needed to say.

Having said that, good game to all.




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On 2023-04-02 01:27:36Show this Author Only
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Getting some treats always feel good. That 2nd ninja (with a higher ratio) on Wheel of Fortune for example it definitely felt good and made that very event something to look after. Getting Mission General Mobilization would really be nice as well. Most things are already said by Cosy. I just wanted to add few things to come in mind in this instant. Thank you.

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On 2023-04-02 22:48:05Show this Author Only
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-Improve the chances of the lucky stars jackpot (I spent more than 140k in this event and I never smelled the ninja, I also spent 60k in a single cycle and it didn't come).

-Update the prizes and chances of shisui on the top floor of the tree, no one in their right mind would spend +100k coupons to just get Shisui and other generic ninjas that everyone has.

-Improve the chances of the Wheel fortune main prize (another event that I already spent a lot and never got)

-Return with the general mobilization

-Stop repeating ninjas every cycle. Toroi is an example of this, came carnival recruitment, Myobuku and now in 3v3. Why does a trunk ninja come every week? there are almost 400 ninjas in the game and you only bring the same ones.

-Stop repeating fuku pack ninjas, ninjas that everyone has keep coming all over fuku. This just shows how lazy they are to change a little.

-Place Experimental Protection Vial in the storage. It's past time.

-Place all the Shinobi test scrolls in the space time exchange. There are several scrolls that cannot be exchanged. Some of these I have more than 5k in my backpack without being able to sell them.

-Facilitate to bring bt that already exist in the eastern. We are waiting for Madara five kage, yugiti edo, lee gate of joy, Asuma edo and ao. Meanwhile you bring new ninjas released after the bt and still costing the price of a house.

-Back with the dueling arena. Game is very repetitive, when it arrived for the first time it was possible to relax, spend more time in the game and farm good items

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On 2023-04-03 00:03:25Show this Author Only
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In my opinion:

-They need to add more Ninjas that we can buy for Ninja Points/Moon/Sun points in the Exchange shop.

-They need to bring back MGM (Mission General Mobilisation).

-Add a Night Mode *on for the players in Konoha. Night Konoha should already be in the game.

-Add an x10 -x50 x100 baits *on for the Fishing Mania event.

-New F2P events and more BTs for F2P ninjas.

-Slightly lower the coupon/ingot price per fragment for all events. Who in the right mind would pay 1250 coupons for 1 fragment of something?

-Cut the requirement for Ino Flower from 300 back to 250 flowers. Like it was in the past. Or even lower (200).

-Add a loyalty-based system handing out freebies for veteran and spender players.




This post was last edited by Azziton on 2023-04-03 00:06:54.
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On 2023-04-03 16:27:54Show this Author Only
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What about some new missions " Plot Instance"


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On 2023-04-04 12:54:21Show this Author Only
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Hello,
Thank you all for the feedback and responses. I will work through these and begin submitting the requests and suggestions for you all.
Thanks and have a great day!

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On 2023-04-04 13:10:48Show this Author Only
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In regards to not getting the jackpot you wanted, please keep in mind that jackpots are RNG based. There is no guarantee of getting the ninja you want. We can only recommend that if you are uncomfortable with losing that you please not try RNG events. Also, some of these ninjas are priced at between 300k-500k coupons as their base *coupon* price. Expecting to get one from 140k coupons into a jackpot is not that reasonable.

For droprate improvements, I am putting these suggestions in along with the rest, but please keep in mind that suggestions are suggestions and not guarantees for implementation by the devs. It is highly unlikely that these suggestions get implemented. While I understand that players want to be able to spend 100k coupons to get 100k coupons worth of powerup items and a 300k coupon ninja, this is a fairly unrealistic ask so will likely not get honored. Please keep in mind that Konoha Great Tree offers several ninjas, so looking only at the Shisui fragment droprate is a specious way of examining the value of the event. There are other items that are dropped, too. If Shisui is your goal, I would recommend Carnival Capsules. The powerup items you get from that will be fewer, but you will get more shisui fragments at a cheaper price.

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On 2023-04-04 21:43:13Show this Author Only
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  • Azziton On 2023-04-03 00:03:25
  • In my opinion:

    -They need to add more Ninjas that we can buy for Ninja Points/Moon/Sun points in the Exchange shop.

    -They need to bring back MGM (Mission General Mobilisation).

    -Add a Night Mode *on for the players in Konoha. Night Konoha should already be in the game.

    -Add an x10 -x50 x100 baits *on for the Fishing Mania event.

    -New F2P events and more BTs for F2P ninjas.

    -Slightly lower the coupon/ingot price per fragment for all events. Who in the right mind would pay 1250 coupons for 1 fragment of something?

    -Cut the requirement for Ino Flower from 300 back to 250 flowers. Like it was in the past. Or even lower (200).

    -Add a loyalty-based system handing out freebies for veteran and spender players.

GREAT IDEA BRO !!!!!

please guy's help f2p player it's very for us to be compétitive

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On 2023-04-05 03:42:47Show this Author Only
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  • Tachibana Saeko On 2023-04-04 13:10:48
  • In regards to not getting the jackpot you wanted, please keep in mind that jackpots are RNG based. There is no guarantee of getting the ninja you want. We can only recommend that if you are uncomfortable with losing that you please not try RNG events. Also, some of these ninjas are priced at between 300k-500k coupons as their base *coupon* price. Expecting to get one from 140k coupons into a jackpot is not that reasonable.

    For droprate improvements, I am putting these suggestions in along with the rest, but please keep in mind that suggestions are suggestions and not guarantees for implementation by the devs. It is highly unlikely that these suggestions get implemented. While I understand that players want to be able to spend 100k coupons to get 100k coupons worth of powerup items and a 300k coupon ninja, this is a fairly unrealistic ask so will likely not get honored. Please keep in mind that Konoha Great Tree offers several ninjas, so looking only at the Shisui fragment droprate is a specious way of examining the value of the event. There are other items that are dropped, too. If Shisui is your goal, I would recommend Carnival Capsules. The powerup items you get from that will be fewer, but you will get more shisui fragments at a cheaper price.

I agree with almost everything you said BUT Konoha Tree event is shady territory so I don't buy the explanation behind that.


What I mean is that reasoning is fine if we started the event in late 2022. Sadly for Oasis it was added way before and we had for years event that gave out ninjas that are way higher base coupon value than Shisui -> 10T Jinchuriki Madara and Obito for ~1000-1200 coupons on average with same or even better power items on top of it.


So Konoha event it's more of a really annoying DEV decision to especially remove a way for f2p community to easly get Shisui who was beyond broken ninja than logical scaling of value from event. There is really easy proof for it. I didn't give a d4mn about Shisui and spent my idk 150k or so coupons in konoha tree that had Shisui for 3000 coupons per frag BUT it also had 10T Madara in it and by some unknown "value" logic his frags were on average in that tree mad cheap ~600 per frag.

So how the hell 10T Madara who is in higher Tsukuyomi tier is worth 600 coupons suddenly and Susano Shisui who is in lower Tsukuyomi tier is worth 3000? Answer is simple like I said - force people into buying ingots to get Shisui and remove every other option for first months of his BT release. Nothing to do with value of the event. (like legit you priced Shisui frag 5 times higher than 10T Madara im not joking I even thought its a bug or someone made a mistake in that konoha tree edition i got 4star from nothing ~150k or so coupons on top of thousands of refines)




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As a gentle reminder, please do keep the tone civil and aggression down in posts. I'm ok with a modi* of discussion on topics like these as long as they're polite, civil, and on topic.



As for the general ask of your statement, I can't comment as to the exact reasoning behind the change in droprate values for the events from the devs' perspectives; I can only make some logical inferences of my own. My reading of the situation would be that the event was deemed as outside some arbitrary bounds of ROI when the ninjas shifted. I don't recall exactly when the droprates worsened, though I do recall it happening. If I recall correctly, and I'm open to correction on this, it was about the time that Jiraiya TC came out. The event was updated with newer ninjas, and the combination of these new ninjas may have made the devs reevaluate the various droprates of the prizes involved.


Having done KGT up to that level myself, I can verify that the ROI on the event is still quite good, but it now focuses much of its value on epic refines, whereas before players used it to get a top ninja. At present, Carnival Capsules is much better for obtaining top ninjas. In my personal opinion, and again I have to stress this is an opinion and not necessarily correct, the devs were probably developing/rolling out capsules at the time of the droprate nerf, and wanted KGT to focus less on ninjas, and to allow capsules to instead have that focus.



Personally, I don't have a great understanding of why people are frustrated that KGT has reduced droprates, when those same ninjas can be obtained from capsules for much cheaper than they ever could from KGT.



In regards to the topic of this thread in general, I would like to again gently remind that the purpose of this thread is to list desired changes. I decided to keep the thread open in case anyone else wanted to chime in with proposed changes, but I would be opposed to altering the topic of this thread to a debate on the merits of the various events. I answered your post as a one time courtesy, but please refrain from additional thread derailments. If you'd like to discuss this topic further, you can DM me or you can create an additional thread of your own (but please keep in mind that this subforum is generally not for discussions, so depending on what you want to broach, you may need to post elsewhere).
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On 2023-04-05 10:32:25Show this Author Only
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Are we 100% sure that Capsule rates are still what they were from day 1 tho? Pretty sure I saw on this forum from Icex or Aika discussion that drop rates for Shisui were heavly lowered there as well.


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Putting 6path pain who is highest tier Tsukuyomi in capsules as well absolutly *s any logic why would we even change Tree in the first place tbh. It's like annoying change for the sake of idk what and yeah we won't solve this mystery here so if you can give me any info regarding capsule rates [doesn't have to be right now ofc] im done with this offtop.


LAST EDIT to be precise:

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in Icex thread some guy dropped his capsule experience, no idea if it's correct, dude has no idea how to do it or really drop rates in capsule now are also omega bad. .




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  • Tachibana Saeko On 2023-04-05 09:49:25
  • As a gentle reminder, please do keep the tone civil and aggression down in posts. I'm ok with a modi* of discussion on topics like these as long as they're polite, civil, and on topic.



    As for the general ask of your statement, I can't comment as to the exact reasoning behind the change in droprate values for the events from the devs' perspectives; I can only make some logical inferences of my own. My reading of the situation would be that the event was deemed as outside some arbitrary bounds of ROI when the ninjas shifted. I don't recall exactly when the droprates worsened, though I do recall it happening. If I recall correctly, and I'm open to correction on this, it was about the time that Jiraiya TC came out. The event was updated with newer ninjas, and the combination of these new ninjas may have made the devs reevaluate the various droprates of the prizes involved.


    Having done KGT up to that level myself, I can verify that the ROI on the event is still quite good, but it now focuses much of its value on epic refines, whereas before players used it to get a top ninja. At present, Carnival Capsules is much better for obtaining top ninjas. In my personal opinion, and again I have to stress this is an opinion and not necessarily correct, the devs were probably developing/rolling out capsules at the time of the droprate nerf, and wanted KGT to focus less on ninjas, and to allow capsules to instead have that focus.



    Personally, I don't have a great understanding of why people are frustrated that KGT has reduced droprates, when those same ninjas can be obtained from capsules for much cheaper than they ever could from KGT.



    In regards to the topic of this thread in general, I would like to again gently remind that the purpose of this thread is to list desired changes. I decided to keep the thread open in case anyone else wanted to chime in with proposed changes, but I would be opposed to altering the topic of this thread to a debate on the merits of the various events. I answered your post as a one time courtesy, but please refrain from additional thread derailments. If you'd like to discuss this topic further, you can DM me or you can create an additional thread of your own (but please keep in mind that this subforum is generally not for discussions, so depending on what you want to broach, you may need to post elsewhere).

I've never seen anyone who caught shisui at the capsule event. If you have an example please show me. Also show me an average of coupons spent. As for KGT the rates in other regions are better, 130k you can get Shisui, Indra and Ashura 4s. It would be more logical if ninja rates and prices were the same on all servers, if a ninja's frag costs 3000 coupon in all regions it should be that amount.

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  • Ⲁἱɀеɳ  ͛ On 2023-04-05 20:18:07
  • I've never seen anyone who caught shisui at the capsule event. If you have an example please show me. Also show me an average of coupons spent. As for KGT the rates in other regions are better, 130k you can get Shisui, Indra and Ashura 4s. It would be more logical if ninja rates and prices were the same on all servers, if a ninja's frag costs 3000 coupon in all regions it should be that amount.

You can check Icex capsule thread. He and Aika shared rates for Shisui there tho like I said in my post above those rates seem to be nerfed to the ground like in Konoha tree case.


As for Brasil rates - those are completly absurd and I will always stay with our Oasis team on that. Keeping old Konoha Tree / Capsule rates + not removing Shisui from big fukuromaru deals would be perfect system (like it is in German version for example) but if i had to choose 1 option BR server or ours I would always pick ours. I won't share why cuz it's topic for another 5 pages and we did go offtop in this thread already. Not to mention like dude it's not FPS game if you want to you can play on Brasil server with those rates, after all latency is not a problem.


As for suggestion that came to my mind now, I don't understand why we don't have information from Oasis about those kind of things. Why you have to spend 50 000 coupons in Konoha Tree event to find what is the cost of said ninja fragment. It should be shared every time event like this comes out with out a need to sit on discord for first 5 hours to hope some whale takes the bullet and shows other people rates of the event. It's not RNG event so I don't see a downside to giving this information to players, it might even increase recharge rate cuz If I know that Im missing let's say 10 000 ingots / coupons to get X ninja from this KGT I might recharge for this deal, If I don't see at all what I can do in this event I won't risk my coupons / buy missing ones.

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On 2023-04-05 21:31:37Show this Author Only
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This is an RNG event. There is RNG involved. If you want to get said fragments from an event with no RNG, you can do so. Shinobi Feast's shop is an example of this.

Sure, I can submit your suggestion for droprates to be revealed.

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  • Ⲁἱɀеɳ  ͛ On 2023-04-05 20:18:07
  • I've never seen anyone who caught shisui at the capsule event. If you have an example please show me. Also show me an average of coupons spent. As for KGT the rates in other regions are better, 130k you can get Shisui, Indra and Ashura 4s. It would be more logical if ninja rates and prices were the same on all servers, if a ninja's frag costs 3000 coupon in all regions it should be that amount.

I know personally of at least four people that have gotten Shisui from capsules, yes. He's more affordable there than TT Obito or TT Madara ever were in KGT. If you'd like to see specific details or talk to people that have done it, I would suggest checking out the official discord. I know several people there that have done so.

Unfortunately, there's no "evidence" I can show you of this. Capsules doesn't have an easily screenshottable demonstration of how well one does over the course of three hours of clicking. I could show you some of the personal data I've collected, but it would support my view, and you would all just dismiss it as me lying. Ultimately, the choice is yours where/when/how you spend your coupons. If you do not trust me or other moderators on what events are good or bad, that is your prerogative, and rightly so in many cases. We are flawed individuals and not always right. You should make the choices you believe best given the information you have/believe. Demanding impossible evidence won't help that scenario, however.




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  • Kiriya. On 2023-04-05 10:32:25
  • Are we 100% sure that Capsule rates are still what they were from day 1 tho? Pretty sure I saw on this forum from Icex or Aika discussion that drop rates for Shisui were heavly lowered there as well.


    PS

    Putting 6path pain who is highest tier Tsukuyomi in capsules as well absolutly *s any logic why would we even change Tree in the first place tbh. It's like annoying change for the sake of idk what and yeah we won't solve this mystery here so if you can give me any info regarding capsule rates [doesn't have to be right now ofc] im done with this offtop.


    LAST EDIT to be precise:

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    in Icex thread some guy dropped his capsule experience, no idea if it's correct, dude has no idea how to do it or really drop rates in capsule now are also omega bad. .

Not 100%. That level of certainty is impossible. It's also impossible to day if rates change from event to event, so it's possible they're different with this week. However I can personally confirm that as of last cycle, when I tested capsules myself, the rates were, if not identical, at least similar.

I don't know what "retired" did, exactly, but it's unlikely he did the event properly. Again, we've worked to test the validity of that event for some time now, and the droprates are consistently the best in the game for desired ninjas *if you are doing it correctly*. Retired seems to be doing a fairly low sample size (the sample sizes we use are more in the thousands and tens of thousands of spins. When a ninja's droprate is low enough, 10,000 coupons does not poke close enough to the law of large numbers to demonstrate a consistent rate. You can get an overall 1frag per 1000 coupons drop rate on shisui over the course of 100,000 coupons, but get three fragments in 1000 coupons or zero fragments in 10,000. It happens.

Last warning to please keep the thread on topic. If you have a suggestion you'd like to add, I'll happily submit it for you. If you'd like to discuss things or complain about droprates, please make another thread elsewhere to do so.

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P.S. Putting a post script or throwing in a suggestion before/after/during a rant does not grant immunity to that post from being off topic.

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  • teemonly On 2023-04-02 01:27:36
  • Getting some treats always feel good. That 2nd ninja (with a higher ratio) on Wheel of Fortune for example it definitely felt good and made that very event something to look after. Getting Mission General Mobilization would really be nice as well. Most things are already said by Cosy. I just wanted to add few things to come in mind in this instant. Thank you.

It might sound very cynical and likely is, but I feel like Oasis used that glitch as an excuse to get rid of Mission Mobilization event for good. It is very hard to believe it wouldn't be fixed by now if they wanted to.

This game should be regulary updated, but by "updated" I do not mean bringing stuff from China only. Prices for ninjas should be updated. Cloth packs should be updated. Coupons store should be updated.




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