if you breakdown their skillset and usage, you'll see it's totally balanced.

Edo Minato reduce Def by 8% per time hit. But also, he scale himself every chase. Combine that with the amount of units hit by his mystery (12 at +2 and 8 at Y+1). Also he causes Tag too. And remember this, pure Tai or pure Nin damage will deal more than Tai/Nin damage, because Tai/Nin got affected by both Def and Res, while pure damage only got affected by one stat.

Bee 8 tails reduce Def and Res by 12%. He scale himself every round (not chase, which is a bit lacking in scale power since Edo Minato can scale 2x if you use +2 chase). Combine that with the amount of units hit by his mystery (9 at +2 and 7 at Y+1). Also he doesn't cause Tag.

Gamariki, reduce Res only by 20%, so only benefit Ninjutsu users. He won't benefit Ronin Naruto or Edo Minato more than Kakuzu or Konan Angel. Also Gamariki only hit 3 random unit, not when being hit, so the chance of activating the stat reduction is lower than Edo Minato or Bee.

Hmmm, gives me stuff to test base on certain factors for so good info all around. Makes Iruka Y types much stronger, and yeah there is a balance to each with each team setup with such, just fuel for personal labing. I thank you for your content, does help a lot with team theory crafting and more, example being not knowing that the 3 ignite types stack, could be useful in off meta teams for maximizing dots.

For some math testing, for kid Itachi against 1 kakashi clone. Using his mystery and averaging for variation over multiple trials I got a following result. With as little gear as possible, resulting in 15665 nin on itachi I got the average non crit damage of 14.1k round 2 (note itachi does his debuff before action) 15.1k round 4, 16.1k round 6, 17.2k round 8, and 18.2k round 10. This results in a a lin reg of D= 13081.8 + 517 R. This is amounts to around a 4% damage buff per turn against the kakashis. Results should vary with kid itachi dying and or the more random chance for debuffs to hit.

Waiting for Round counting part, cause so far for me it looks random how long some debuffs (Paralysis, Immobile, Sleep) last. Example: I was doing Wanted yesterday, fought Kabuto team. My Fire Main uses Feather jutsu ultimate, puts Kabuto and Zaku to sleep as last action (Oboro clone was present). Round ends, Zaku is asleep, but Kabuto immediately recovered.

regard of Wanted Mission... i remember Kabuto having Immunity, so that's why he recover (if you use sealing mys on him).

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if not, there's another explanation... if you pay attention closely, Kabuto does standard last in their team... so you sleep him before he does standard. So ofcourse next round he'll be awake. .

Thanks for round counting part. Still, I feel cheated by game on Arena today... I have Summer Kurenai, I applied her Mystery on Edo Minato. Round 1, after his standard (I needed to wait till my other character, GNW Choji, triggers his dodge). Round 2 starts, Minato immediately recovers from Immobile. The same with Six Paths Naruto, but when I am using it against Habanero Kushina, it works as it should, she is locked down untill beginning of round 3. So why it doesn't work on Edo Minato and 6p Naruto?

check if the enemy has any soft of healing or debuff removal (a simple gakido or mirror mys can do the trick)..

because Kurenai Summer causes Immobile, not Torture like Ibiki. so the debuff is easier to be cleared with just a Katsuyu summon mystery, healing of azure fang or mirror mys of scarlet blaze, while Torture needs 20 chakra or above to be cleansed.

if the enemy team doesnt have any debuff cleanse or whatever sort, and edo minato/nar6 still recovers at round 2, you might need to take a screenshot and send to customer survice as a bug, because whenever i use her, edo minato or anyone will get Immobiled till round 3 if they dont have any healing whatsoever.

I think there are 2 types of immunity. One is what u get with Roshi, or Kushina Red that is immunity to debuffs which is gained every round. So you cant cc them past one round. And the other is what u get with Edo minato or Itachi ssn, they are immune to all debuffs. Which means they can be cc using suppress immunity + cc skills which last more than one round. This should be mentioned here.

roshi and kushina have natural immunity same as edo minato or itachi susano'o, not gained every round...

the controlling on all of them will work the same...

the translation of some of the skills ingame are quite wrong... please check throughly

You were right. Its the same type of immunity. I had this misunderstanding because i saw the fire main cc skill + edo itachi sleep + madara barrier effect on my edo minato. I saw him sleep for 2 rounds. And simply assumed that "immune to all debuff" is different and can be controlled. I tried it today with kushina and she also got controlled. I can only conclude that it has to do with the chakra not being above 40 at the end of r1 that causes them to not regain their immunity but I can't confirm, that, that's what causing it. It might be the madara barrier itself.

yes you are correct... the problem is the dream effect needs 30 chakra to be cleared...

i already wrote that part in Round counting... you can check my examples in there again to clarified yourself.

You have a GREAT post.. A Very Useful info.

For me, the correct and right word is Override not overwrite.

hihi I don't see Irremovable tag? unless i missed it but skillbreak edo tobirama senju has it

you didnt miss it

just our version dont have it yet

it's in china's version, not ours

should be standard attack and combos better the fear (or increase 65%) to this effect) look at minato edo 2 rounds the tag and 75% to cause weakness wtf

or better than at least in the ultimate ability to paralyze an immune unit not to go unpunished for one round.

Where did you get the control formula from? because it seems very wrong just looking at it

the formula is from cn version's update in March 2019... our version apply that formula since Nov 2019

when i first test i saw it quite weird, but then after like 5000-7000 times testing, the rate is actually correct.

I got 2 important questions...

1- by having Edo Nagato BT skill of while having a shield any rinneg*er its inmune, will getting hit by dream will make the target suffer the debuff? or ignore it? since nagato skill only gives inmunity if you have a shield on.EG: rinnesharingan sasuke having the shield on and getting hit with dream.

2-can a reflect skill reflect dream debuff?

1. Sasuke will got Dream (assuming control hit and not fail)

2. Dream can be reflected.