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On 2018-10-04 23:59:44Show this Author Only
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First off. Fuku deals had Jonin Minato that was 4-5k the WEEK BEFORE. 2nd Even maxing the wheel 4 times gave ZERO Tsuande frags, So you have to be super lucky not 1 time but 2 times to even get her. And yeah all those VALUABLE RESORUCES you got. Like the 80 summoning scrolls? the 20 green bells? the oil to get 1 maybe 2 fields? What a joke. The whole problem is now everyone got him, go play arena doesn't matter if it's ranked or training after 20 games today 17 had Madara. This will kill the game for anyone who did not get him. Everyone will run the same 3 teams now. there will be no more variety. I'm not against f2p or anyone getting a good ninja for this cheap but no him. This is such a big oversight. Angel Konan is way older yet the cheapest she was, is like 17k? I paid the full price for him. Bescause he's worth it. This is everyone gets Shisui free all over again.

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On 2018-10-05 00:03:34Show this Author Only
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  • Azzakye On 2018-10-04 23:55:45
  • My guess its just a bad reaction from the community that caused this. Instead of praise for the rain we get people complaining that they have water when they already had a lake.


    Overall I don't think this is not a programmers fault either since that would contradict statements oasis authorities have made.


    Honestly speaking about game environment even if they gave everyone every ninja for free it wouldn't create an unhealthy environment. Only by introducing something new will it cause effects. All of these ninjas already exist so lowering the level of entry is not going to change anything it just speeds up meta.

I most certainly don't think their reaction was because of it affecting the meta - but I do think that would be a viable reason for their course of action, if that was their primary concern.

Now... I REALLY don't think this has much to do with the issue at hand and is a bit of a tangent... but in theory, I would argue that the meta COULD be affected greatly by a ninja such as Sailor Sakura being overused because it was so F2P-friendly or whatever.

Some teams are better against other types of teams and a ninja like Sailor (and I will always call her Sailor, for what it's worth) would encourage very specific teams. If the meta was driven by those teams then you'd potentially see a reaction to it in the other teams people were trying to use and those effects would eventually work their way up to even the very top whales and the teams they tend to use. And most of that is due to the fact that a lot of ninjas aren't things everyone has access to.




This post was last edited by Malachorn on 2018-10-05 00:04:43.
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On 2018-10-05 00:10:35Show this Author Only
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I think you need to tone i down a notch. People are genuinely upset because they have a right to be. HOURS before the servers went up, people asked if these things were a bug. Over and OVER. They were told no, this is as intended. What happened next? They changed their minds then they tried to say it was a bug.....AFTER the fact.


Sorry, no. This is a FAR CRY from being "self-centered' so please just stop with that. Not only were we told that this wasn't a bug, but ALOT of players have already taken advantage of it because they were simply on exactly at reset. Not even an hour later, then its changed, thus preventing everyone else from getting the same benefit.


Please get off your high horse and stop labeling people as "self-centered' because it isn't helpful at all.

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On 2018-10-05 00:19:20Show this Author Only
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  • Aida_Blaze On 2018-10-04 23:59:09
  • Lost revenue is lost revenue, regardless of how much it costs to create the product. Some people might have been thinking of buying those packs in the sage treasure where they cost 3k, but now they wont buy them because they got them for free. Or spending 20K on Madara, but now they got him for only 10k.


    Imagine you're selling a digital only computer game that costs say $25 to download it. You put it on sale for 10% off, but you f'ed up and actually put it on sale for 100% off by mistake. Do you lose money on the download even though it doesn't cost you anything to actually send it? Do you not have the right to correct that mistake? A player might be unhappy that their friend got the game for free and he doesn't, but does that mean you are obligated to give him a free copy of the game too?


    While I agree that the cheaper event will encourage more spending, if they f'ed up, they f'ed up.


    In terms of player balance, they only fair option is to reset the events to how they were this morning, but I doubt they will do it.

Your comparison is terrible, they're not selling a singular product- not to mention they didn't give anything for free, there was still a price attached too it.

You can't say "Oh they lost sales, because it was cheaper" when in fact people may have never have bought it in the first place, now bought it because it was cheaper- it's the same fallacious bs people make with piracy in general.

You can't lose a sale when there was never a sale to begin with & adding hypothetical's in there doesn't make it any less true.

Read his previous post, when you give something out to a broad number of players at a certain cost, then take it away you cheapen the experience of the whole game for everyone else, now you have half a player base that feels cheated..

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On 2018-10-05 00:19:21Show this Author Only
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Certainly not, Oasis reaction has next to nothing to do with the meta.


Even theory will only repeat what has already occurred. Sailor sakura and Suit Sasuke will have similar effect from when they were released. I dont wanna see any more poision tai sailor sakura than that next but its not op like it was during then. I also doubt Ill see a sasuke blitz team again since flower guard was changed.

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On 2018-10-05 00:25:38Show this Author Only
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  • Shyuko On 2018-10-05 00:10:35
  • I think you need to tone i down a notch. People are genuinely upset because they have a right to be. HOURS before the servers went up, people asked if these things were a bug. Over and OVER. They were told no, this is as intended. What happened next? They changed their minds then they tried to say it was a bug.....AFTER the fact.


    Sorry, no. This is a FAR CRY from being "self-centered' so please just stop with that. Not only were we told that this wasn't a bug, but ALOT of players have already taken advantage of it because they were simply on exactly at reset. Not even an hour later, then its changed, thus preventing everyone else from getting the same benefit.


    Please get off your high horse and stop labeling people as "self-centered' because it isn't helpful at all.

He is not referring to you or the people you are trying to represent. The OP was talking about the few people complaining about the events before the changes. Stop and read he has a clear target and its not you.

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On 2018-10-05 00:30:50Show this Author Only
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  • Shyuko On 2018-10-05 00:10:35
  • I think you need to tone i down a notch. People are genuinely upset because they have a right to be. HOURS before the servers went up, people asked if these things were a bug. Over and OVER. They were told no, this is as intended. What happened next? They changed their minds then they tried to say it was a bug.....AFTER the fact.


    Sorry, no. This is a FAR CRY from being "self-centered' so please just stop with that. Not only were we told that this wasn't a bug, but ALOT of players have already taken advantage of it because they were simply on exactly at reset. Not even an hour later, then its changed, thus preventing everyone else from getting the same benefit.


    Please get off your high horse and stop labeling people as "self-centered' because it isn't helpful at all.

Seems like you didn't get the right idea. I didn't point out what you have mentioned here
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On 2018-10-05 00:31:25Show this Author Only
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  • Azzakye On 2018-10-05 00:25:38
  • He is not referring to you or the people you are trying to represent. The OP was talking about the few people complaining about the events before the changes. Stop and read he has a clear target and its not you.

Exactly

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On 2018-10-05 00:33:56Show this Author Only
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  • DigitalRelease On 2018-10-05 00:19:20
  • Your comparison is terrible, they're not selling a singular product- not to mention they didn't give anything for free, there was still a price attached too it.

    You can't say "Oh they lost sales, because it was cheaper" when in fact people may have never have bought it in the first place, now bought it because it was cheaper- it's the same fallacious bs people make with piracy in general.

    You can't lose a sale when there was never a sale to begin with & adding hypothetical's in there doesn't make it any less true.

    Read his previous post, when you give something out to a broad number of players at a certain cost, then take it away you cheapen the experience of the whole game for everyone else, now you have half a player base that feels cheated..

I didn't say it was fair, i was just responding to the thought that Oasis didn't lose anything by miss pricing the goods. Sure a lot of people might have jumped on the cheap price that wouldn't have done so normally. That doesn't mean that a lot of people that would have been willing to spend the higher price didn't also get stuff for cheap. If it wasn't affecting oasis in the wallet they would have just left it alone.


However as i said at the end of my post, the only fair thing to do is set the events back to how they started.

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On 2018-10-05 00:40:09Show this Author Only
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R.I.P 15K shisui ...

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On 2018-10-05 02:08:40Show this Author Only
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> I know many of you people started to play this game cause of the anime.


There's a very, very surprising amount of people who've never watched Naruto in their life.



You'd be surprised.



As for me, I'm still saving up coupons for Dosu and solely Dosu, and at this point I care about nothing else in this game. But I can understand people getting upset by this, and I don't think it's unnatural for people to lash out and complain about it.

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On 2018-10-05 02:14:30Show this Author Only
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Oasis Hmm it´s called tencent Oasis is just a Publisher for these regions

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On 2018-10-05 02:42:25Show this Author Only
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  • SCOR KAWAII On 2018-10-04 22:09:54
  • what do you think of people work hard to get madara5 and now it just 10k coupon, what is the point of trying, but otherwise i agree with you, people should stop asking about compensation, I just want player should been treated with fairness,

Ok, so what? They paid to get him early, ninja prices SHOULD go down over time. People are just getting salty because THEY didn't get him for that price sso they try to ruin it for the people who waited.

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On 2018-10-05 03:42:25Show this Author Only
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On 2018-10-05 03:49:49Show this Author Only
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  • Big E On 2018-10-04 23:59:44
  • First off. Fuku deals had Jonin Minato that was 4-5k the WEEK BEFORE. 2nd Even maxing the wheel 4 times gave ZERO Tsuande frags, So you have to be super lucky not 1 time but 2 times to even get her. And yeah all those VALUABLE RESORUCES you got. Like the 80 summoning scrolls? the 20 green bells? the oil to get 1 maybe 2 fields? What a joke. The whole problem is now everyone got him, go play arena doesn't matter if it's ranked or training after 20 games today 17 had Madara. This will kill the game for anyone who did not get him. Everyone will run the same 3 teams now. there will be no more variety. I'm not against f2p or anyone getting a good ninja for this cheap but no him. This is such a big oversight. Angel Konan is way older yet the cheapest she was, is like 17k? I paid the full price for him. Bescause he's worth it. This is everyone gets Shisui free all over again.

Yeah 5k Madara is everywhere in arena it seems. Not personally queue'd because of I believe he will be in most fights. Pretty much if you don't have the ninja's/team to counter him you lose and now that a good percentage of the playerbase has him well you know how that goes. Really thought after my year+ absence and how well the game was doing this wouldn't happen anymore, but mistakes do happen, just think it could be handled better than it has been. Guess we just wait till the 10th or whenever they post compensation. Maybe we will get enough foodsacks to redeem 5k Madara. While I highly doubt that it will happen that is a way to make it more fair, plus those who already have him can 4 star him or go for something else. This is a low possibility and I will not get my hopes up.


We know for sure we aren't getting coupons or ninja fragments and I doubt they will roll back servers. Honestly can't think of any type of compensation that will revert what happened unless we get a lot of foodsacks, because we are going to see 5k Madara everywhere now and it's going to come to the point where players get tired of it. People are taking about quitting just because of the price jump from 10 to 20 coupons on foodsacks. Just wait till GNW and SWB. Those are just my thoughts I am sure there are other options that are better. This is just not a good start for the new event cycle.




This post was last edited by Koncept on 2018-10-05 03:49:56.
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On 2018-10-05 04:53:45Show this Author Only
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  • SCOR KAWAII On 2018-10-04 22:09:54
  • what do you think of people work hard to get madara5 and now it just 10k coupon, what is the point of trying, but otherwise i agree with you, people should stop asking about compensation, I just want player should been treated with fairness,

The thing is, from this event ninja's should be cheaper, and here is why......you get ZERO items for purchasing a ninja from this event. Just the frags... Full price with no extras....this change makes this event worthless for buying ninjas. WAY better off waiting for something like mission box event and getting 18k worth of items, extra ninjas, and plus the one you bought the points for. Seriously, all these people complaining about the price being lower aren't thinking even a little bit. They spent 18k and got tons of items which increased their power on top of the 5k madara....Frankly 10k for only frags and nothing else is pretty fair IMHO.... seriously....use your brain for 1 second...18k worth of mission boxes is a BOAT load of items, random ninja drops aside....18k worth of sakura foodpacks? Yea zero items....not a single one..... I'm super bitter about this nonsensical change.

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On 2018-10-05 05:01:00Show this Author Only
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What's even sad is the compensation people are suggesting that they want. More level-headed players need to be voicing their responses here compared to the players that nitpick everything.

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On 2018-10-05 05:03:55Show this Author Only
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What Oasis doesn't understand

1) Foodsack price costed 10cp till the dawn of time , changing it to 20 is an abomination .

2)Some people did not even care about 5KM . People (mostly f2p) have been asking for Shishui to be a redeemable for more than 2 months .

3)In other words , Oasis , doubling the price of 5KM , just cause you think it was a mistake , makes (just a lil bit of) sense . Doubling the price of every single item in this event makes no sense at all . In last Sakura's event , Jonin Minato costed like 5k cp , Shishui has been out for many many months , so i see no reason for him to cost more than 7k (now he costs around 14k , clap clap) . So they should have raised the price of 5KM to ..let's say 65-70 points , not double the cost of the foodsacks! But i can live without Shishui for now . and i know that i will piece him next time he is in events but...the thing that angers me the most is the people's mindset and attitude


What the players don't understand

1)This was , is and will be capitalism . Prices will rise , prices will drop . I was not online when this whole thing happened but...what exactly happened?Some guys that already had 5KM , cried on discord that some others got him cheaper ?Why???Just Why???Some of you are gonna tell me "wait , some people recharged to get him so we are talking about real money here" . I am also talking about real money!!!

Example 1:If i buy a car now , but it's price drops next year , and then 10 people buy the same car , am i gonna blame em that they "cheated"? Or am i gonna blame the company for their policy?Of course not , cause i had the privilege to be the first to buy the car .

Example 2 : Let's say in 2 years 50%+ of the current active players quit the game , and Oasis in an attempt to bring em back doules the amount of ingots you get for the same money(never gonna happen but i already see your reactions) , what are the p2w's that will remain active gonna do?Set the world ablaze? Answer : They don't have the right to do and say ANYTHING . Like , at all . Cause the ones that have been absent have missed out a lot . And most of all , because you become a hard P2W by choice and you also stop playing by choice , again . It's all about the choices we make .


Long story short , well done Naruto Online community . You failed . Again

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On 2018-10-05 05:25:48Show this Author Only
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  • Beavis On 2018-10-05 04:53:45
  • The thing is, from this event ninja's should be cheaper, and here is why......you get ZERO items for purchasing a ninja from this event. Just the frags... Full price with no extras....this change makes this event worthless for buying ninjas. WAY better off waiting for something like mission box event and getting 18k worth of items, extra ninjas, and plus the one you bought the points for. Seriously, all these people complaining about the price being lower aren't thinking even a little bit. They spent 18k and got tons of items which increased their power on top of the 5k madara....Frankly 10k for only frags and nothing else is pretty fair IMHO.... seriously....use your brain for 1 second...18k worth of mission boxes is a BOAT load of items, random ninja drops aside....18k worth of sakura foodpacks? Yea zero items....not a single one..... I'm super bitter about this nonsensical change.

I don't get this? Was he even in a rebate, i know there was a fuko rebate the same week, but it had Hinata in it not 5kage? I only remember him in the wheel of fortune? Wheel of fortune isn't like lucky board or missions where you get items AND points, in lucky wheel you get items OR points.


Yes you get frags, seal scrolls and summons scrolls on the wheel, but when you get those items you don't get points to spend in the shop. The more other stuff you get the more he costs.


I'm not salty, i got him. I got most of my frags in the wheel so he cost me more than 10k, but at least i got him. I just don't understand the "what about all the other stuff you got" argument. He hasn't been available on lucky board, or missions yet.

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On 2018-10-05 08:16:40Show this Author Only
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  • Aida_Blaze On 2018-10-05 05:25:48
  • I don't get this? Was he even in a rebate, i know there was a fuko rebate the same week, but it had Hinata in it not 5kage? I only remember him in the wheel of fortune? Wheel of fortune isn't like lucky board or missions where you get items AND points, in lucky wheel you get items OR points.


    Yes you get frags, seal scrolls and summons scrolls on the wheel, but when you get those items you don't get points to spend in the shop. The more other stuff you get the more he costs.


    I'm not salty, i got him. I got most of my frags in the wheel so he cost me more than 10k, but at least i got him. I just don't understand the "what about all the other stuff you got" argument. He hasn't been available on lucky board, or missions yet.

Because 5km came out on a week where Fuku Deals was also in the events, so all the coupons/ingots they spent went towards Fuku Deal's and gave more items. Plus with 5km being in lucky stars players also got frags of guy's turtle and if they were lucky Hokage Tsunade in addition to seals scrolls and summon scrolls.

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