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On 2018-09-26 08:34:13Show this Author Only
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  • Chezzburger On 2018-09-26 07:16:48
  • if the ninja is immune and has been buffed by bee's interruption immunity he wont get interrupted.

Interruption and CC are NOT the same thing.

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On 2018-09-26 09:17:02Show this Author Only
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  • AnraiHamaya On 2018-09-25 19:27:32
  • This is incorrect. You can interrupt an immune ninja in this way, but not an immune ninja with Bee's protection from interruption. You would need to use Kushina or Fire Main's third mystery to surpress immunity in order to interrupt.

False, the hard CC still goes through, you're just not CC'd and it still gets interrupted. This is why hard CC is superior form of interrupt. Doesn't matter if the ninja is immune or has Killer Bee Yo! Buff on them. It'll still interrupt if Chaos goes through.

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On 2018-09-26 09:21:33Show this Author Only
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  • Chezzburger On 2018-09-26 07:16:48
  • if the ninja is immune and has been buffed by bee's interruption immunity he wont get interrupted.

That isn't how that works.

Hard CC will always interrupt as it cancels their action and controls them. Even if the ninja is immune and has the Yo! Buff. Yo! Only stops things like Iruka's Mystery from interrupting, however if Neji went into stop the mystery which not only interrupts but also causes acupuncture even if you're immune, it'll still be interrupted as it is a Hard CC.

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On 2018-09-26 11:38:11Show this Author Only
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Immunity to debuffs + Interruption protection WILL prevent the Mystery from being stopped. Go change to Midnight Blade, take Root of Warrior, put Mifune on the team and activate his Mystery, have the opponent try to CC him. He will still use his Mystery. The only way to stop the Mystery in this situation is with Immunity Suppression and/or Buff Removal (Han/MaskedMan/PeriodKushina/EdoRoshi).


Edit: I have been an idiot in the past, trying to hard CC Mifune's in the Arena who have Root of Warrior, only to facepalm as he still used his Mystery.




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On 2018-09-26 17:12:46Show this Author Only
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  • Broken Screen On 2018-09-26 08:34:13
  • Interruption and CC are NOT the same thing.

The impairing controlling effects (sleep, chaos, acupuncture and immobile) are not enhanced versions of interruption effects.

When you apply a controlling effect you also apply interruption as a secondary unstated effect and this interruption effect is the same exact effect as the normal interruption (like minato hokage's or edo hashi's ones).

On an immune to debuff ninja a controlling effect behaves exactly as an interruption effect, so if the ninja is also immune to interruptions he won't be interrupted.


P. S. I cannot believe you do not remember the time when root of warrior mb + mifune was a common meta and the only way to remove buffs were skewering and sand dust.

P.P.S. Bee's yo! effect is a buff and gets removed by buff removing effects like shisui's mystery, skewering or han's, maybe you got tricked by the fact you use shisui mystery and still interrupt them with that chaos, because firstly shisui mystery removes the buffs and then apply chaos. If you use a buff removal effect you actually remove or bee or root of warrior/flower guard/guidance so the target ceases to be or immune to debuffs or immune to interruption and so gets interrupted for that reason but try to use a controlling effect without buff removing effects on a normal hidan or mifune with root of warrior or on a tendo with guidance and you see how you interrupt it.




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2018-09-26 17:27:39.
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On 2018-09-26 17:31:19Show this Author Only
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  • Scarlettblue On 2018-09-26 17:12:46
  • The impairing controlling effects (sleep, chaos, acupuncture and immobile) are not enhanced versions of interruption effects.

    When you apply a controlling effect you also apply interruption as a secondary unstated effect and this interruption effect is the same exact effect as the normal interruption (like minato hokage's or edo hashi's ones).

    On an immune to debuff ninja a controlling effect behaves exactly as an interruption effect, so if the ninja is also immune to interruptions he won't be interrupted.


    P. S. I cannot believe you do not remember the time when root of warrior mb + mifune was a common meta and the only way to remove buffs were skewering and sand dust.

    P.P.S. Bee's yo! effect is a buff and gets removed by buff removing effects like shisui's mystery, skewering or han's, maybe you got tricked by the fact you use shisui mystery and still interrupt them with that chaos, because firstly shisui mystery removes the buffs and then apply chaos. If you use a buff removal effect you actually remove or bee or root of warrior/flower guard/guidance so the target ceases to be or immune to debuffs or immune to interruption and so gets interrupted for that reason but try to use a controlling effect without buff removing effects on a normal hidan or mifune with root of warrior or on a tendo with guidance and you see how you interrupt it.

Actually Shisui's mystery won't interrupt immune ninjas with Bee's buff (like 6 tails Naruto, not counting ninjas with acquired immunity), tested this yesterday ;)




This post was last edited by AnraiHamaya on 2018-09-26 17:31:41.
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On 2018-09-26 22:36:08Show this Author Only
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I've had SOME luck with having MM use his mystery on WM at end of round followed by using minato to shut sakura off and hope ive killed WM by round 3 or 4 (only 4 if I get lucky and MM combos on WM again).


Using ninja immune to disable helps too I suppose :/

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On 2018-09-27 07:42:28Show this Author Only
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  • Danzō On 2018-09-23 07:14:50
  • About the chaos carrying to the next round, it really depends on how high the opponents' control stat is. The higher it is compared to yours, the debuff won't carry. I tried it out with weaker and stronger players than me to see the difference.

Is this really true? I was wondering why my chaos would sometimes disappear and not carry on to the next round...

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On 2018-09-27 10:25:59Show this Author Only
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+1.

CC is a more advanced form of interrupt: it has the interrupt element and the debuff element.

If a ninja is immune, the debuff element does not have an effect on the ninja, but the interrupt still will, so if you "chaos" an immune unit, it will also stop their mystery because of the interrupt element, NOT the debuff element. Thus, when a ninja is immune, and is buffed by Killer B, since it is now immune to the debuff element and the interrupt element, it will NOT stop the mystery.

Please go test your claims before you argue it in multiple posts; you will confuse the new players.

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On 2018-09-27 16:52:23Show this Author Only
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  • AnraiHamaya On 2018-09-26 17:31:19
  • Actually Shisui's mystery won't interrupt immune ninjas with Bee's buff (like 6 tails Naruto, not counting ninjas with acquired immunity), tested this yesterday ;)

Hm... That's indeed weird. I am sure in 4.0 worked thar way, but maybe with 5.0 the mechanics changed, considering what happens with shark bomb and the chakra stealing even if the mystery were queued.

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On 2018-09-27 16:57:48Show this Author Only
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  • uchihafooku On 2018-09-27 07:42:28
  • Is this really true? I was wondering why my chaos would sometimes disappear and not carry on to the next round...

With 5.0 the way this mechanics work changed. Now, if you apply a debuff after the standard attack of a ninja (so the situation where it carries on the following round) it getd actually casted again before the action of the ninja, so the control effect gets rolled again and can indeed fail even if in the previous round went off. This happened because people abused on this fact since was not supposed to work that way from the start.

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On 2018-09-28 10:18:43Show this Author Only
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Hi guys! There is some confusion surrounding the topic of Immunity to Debuffs + Immunity to interruption, so I will try my best to help answer this.


First of all, Immunity to All Debuff (such as the passive Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o ] has) is a passive that allows a ninja to be protected from status Debuffs like: Chaos, Immobile, Sleeping, Blindness, Acupuncture, Paralysis, Slow, Poison, Ignite, Tag, and Imprison.


Secondly, Immunity to interruption like the mystery from Killer Bee [Seven Swords Style] will give immunity to interruption to a select unit, which protects a unit from anything that would otherwise normally interrupt or cancel the said unit's mystery.


Thirdly, as said above, there are many different Debuffs and some as you guys know are "Action Impairing Debuffs". What this means is that the debuff can "interrupt" the action of a player while also debuffing the player.


If a unit is "Immune to All Debuffs" and is casting a mystery, but an opponent is either using an Interrupt skill or using an "Action Impairing Debuff", the mystery will be cancelled.

If a unit is "Immune to Interruption" and is casting a mystery (They are immune to interrupt skills), but an opponent is using an "Action Impairing Debuff", the mystery will also be cancelled.


Now here is where the confusion comes in. What happens if a Ninja is both "Immune to All Debuffs" and also "Immune to Interruption".

For example, if a ninja like Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] (who is Immune to All Debuffs) were to also get "Immune to interruption" from Killer Bee [Seven Swords Style], he would be immune to both interruption and also "Action Impairing Debuffs", which means that a ninja like Masked Man or Shisui would not be able to interrupt Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] from casting his mystery (This has been tested).


The question is, why is this the case.


The reason for this is because although "Action Impairing Debuffs" do have a secondary effect of interruption and can normally interrupt Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] from casting Mystery; this secondary effect of interruption is cancelled when Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] acquired the "Immune to Interruption" from Killer Bee [Seven Swords Style].

This means that not only is Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] immune to debuffs that can normally stop other ninjas from performing an action, but he is also protected from the secondary effect, interruption, of "Action Impairing Debuffs".


Hope that helps!


~Jib




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  • Jiburiru On 2018-09-28 10:18:43
  • Hi guys! There is some confusion surrounding the topic of Immunity to Debuffs + Immunity to interruption, so I will try my best to help answer this.


    First of all, Immunity to All Debuff (such as the passive Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o ] has) is a passive that allows a ninja to be protected from status Debuffs like: Chaos, Immobile, Sleeping, Blindness, Acupuncture, Paralysis, Slow, Poison, Ignite, Tag, and Imprison.


    Secondly, Immunity to interruption like the mystery from Killer Bee [Seven Swords Style] will give immunity to interruption to a select unit, which protects a unit from anything that would otherwise normally interrupt or cancel the said unit's mystery.


    Thirdly, as said above, there are many different Debuffs and some as you guys know are "Action Impairing Debuffs". What this means is that the debuff can "interrupt" the action of a player while also debuffing the player.


    If a unit is "Immune to All Debuffs" and is casting a mystery, but an opponent is either using an Interrupt skill or using an "Action Impairing Debuff", the mystery will be cancelled.

    If a unit is "Immune to Interruption" and is casting a mystery (They are immune to interrupt skills), but an opponent is using an "Action Impairing Debuff", the mystery will also be cancelled.


    Now here is where the confusion comes in. What happens if a Ninja is both "Immune to All Debuffs" and also "Immune to Interruption".

    For example, if a ninja like Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] (who is Immune to All Debuffs) were to also get "Immune to interruption" from Killer Bee [Seven Swords Style], he would be immune to both interruption and also "Action Impairing Debuffs", which means that a ninja like Masked Man or Shisui would not be able to interrupt Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] from casting his mystery (This has been tested).


    The question is, why is this the case.


    The reason for this is because although "Action Impairing Debuffs" do have a secondary effect of interruption and can normally interrupt Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] from casting Mystery; this secondary effect of interruption is cancelled when Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] acquired the "Immune to Interruption" from Killer Bee [Seven Swords Style].

    This means that not only is Itachi Uchiha [Susano'o] immune to debuffs that can normally stop other ninjas from performing an action, but he is also protected from the secondary effect, interruption, of "Action Impairing Debuffs".


    Hope that helps!


    ~Jib

Yep. But this is so since 5.0, because the mechanics of interruptions changed because the lenght of the action itself and how the effects are queued changed (is an indirect consequence of the fix they made to overcome the issue of the mystery delay issue we all experienced in 4.0 that now, thanks to it, almost disappeared).

In 4.0 shisui was able to interrupt an itachi susano'o with bee mystery because the 'action' was one and was preset so firstly he removed debuffs, then he applied chaos.

With the current modification before each action there is actually room for an action and a preaction. Interruptions are designed now to go in the preaction so an effect like shisui mystery now gets actually split in two and the interruption goes in the preaction while the removing debuff effect goes in the action, as before, with the consequence that itachi, now, can't be anymore interrupted.




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2018-09-28 17:13:56.
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On 2018-09-28 20:25:10Show this Author Only
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  • vsai12 On 2018-09-25 12:16:55
  • I never knew poison han teams ran shark bomb now. . Poison 5k Madara also seems legit lol

or maybe u need to ask the OP then, he's th e1 that mention that team line up not mine. we only make suggestion base on that.


hem... even on immunity status and with uninterupt skill like normal hidan, immobile and chaos still canceling his mystery at least that accur on 4.0, and still run same issue now,




This post was last edited by mahackyddydy on 2018-09-28 20:31:05.
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On 2018-09-29 03:00:50Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2018-09-23 06:11:52
  • You could, you know run dodge ninjas.

    Use MM on Water Main, and he doesn't need to be P1.

    Then you can run Shisui and Minato Jonin.

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