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1. i think we should be considering mains in the context of the ninjas that can be used with them also. shisui, edo hiruzen, madara, susanoo itachi, agk... most p2w me
ta teams nowadays work best with CF or SB 2. is this talking about late game, mid game? i can see why AF would be a good choice mid game, but when you're in higher level swb facing down shisui's ignite, koh poison, edo hiruzen's massive blast, agk's tag and immune, sometimes heals can only get you so far.
3. not every team is about survival. sometimes we just want to blitz lol. that said, take buffs into consideration also.
in conclusion, there needs to be context for your comparison, and definitely some mains work better than others in various situations, but comparing mains alone to each other is poor representation of what each one is good for, and the ninjas that work with them as a whole team.
i find it's quite rare to choose the main before the other ninjas in the lineup. most take the ninjas they want to be damage dealers before slotting in the mains ba
sed on buffs and chases (btw as we're slowly adapting to the chinese version of the game, and it's somewhat considered the "ideal" version of the long run of this game, i'll just let you know that the strongest earth main in my cn server is almost twice the power of the strongest water main; 300k vs 170k, and the strongest light main is stuck at 120k.)
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- Fumakato On 2018-08-05 14:36:25
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First of all, I'm reviewing the mains individually and seeing how good they can be in lineups and how individually strong they are.
Basically, let's say that you had a 1v1v1v1v1 between each main, which main do you think would win? If your answer was Azure Fang then you'd understand why I made her #1
Second of all, I'm talking about any type of late/early/mid game... Though heals can "only get you so far" so can Neurotoxin Shark Bomb Initiative Blitz... You're forgetting that not only is AF a Healer and Support but she's also a Blitzer.
Edit: Also I did say people could choose their main, I'm just stating which out of all the mains are factually better when individually pit against each other and how well they can work in lineups. AF is easily adaptable and can work with a lot of lineups, you could replace her in SOME me
ta Lineups and they'd feel almost the same but with a Healer Support Ninja in the mix now. -Fumakato <3
but what's the point of doing a 1v1 with mains tho? everyone uses a whole team to fight.
there's actually only 1 fairly me
ta team that uses AF as a chaos blitz, and it's kure/gakido/af/sailor, and u don't see much of it nowadays. and the fact that it's falling out of popularity at the moment means that there are better teams for you to build. (y'know, immunity) althought tbh if you made your argument with poitai i'd be more inclined to care. poitai is a whole different story compared to chaos. a lot more troublesome when paired with a ninja that can remove immunity (*cough* Kushina *cough*). where were you when the entire game collectively declared poitai as the most broken passive ever lol list the teams we can discuss those + adding a healer doesnt necessarily make things better also. it takes away damage via standard and mystery, makes you dependent on a pos 3/4 standard/mystery to clear debuffs, which personally i don't feel comfortable with. i'd take immunity or reflect which is less dependent on when my main moves.
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- Fumakato On 2018-08-05 14:58:25
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At the beginning of the post I clearly stated that I would be reviewing the main and seeing which is the best for general PvP and lineups, though you are correct in the aspect of "it'll get rid of a free attack and mystery due to her being a healer in the team" but her Passives make up for it.
Poison Tai dealing overtime damage and can be stacked is a really good passive for AOE Units and not to mention she has a Chase so she can still run that deadly Neurotoxin. Water Clone is the second best clone right next to Oboro, since Acupuncture is a really great status to put on an opponent but since it's only a chance and Oboro gives guaranteed 2nd attack (unless Immobile) it makes Oboro a slight bit better, not to mention Water Clone is really good for setting up combos. Healing Tips is extremely good if you can't fit Chakra Dissection Blade into your combo or don't run a team fit for crowd control. Nature Energy Gathering is meh but it's pretty alright. Experimental Ninjustu... Do I really need to tell you why this Passive is really good or do you understand? Reverse Seal... Again, do I really need to tell you why this is good?
Her Passives alone make her an extremely good ninja.
Edit: Also most people say Neurotoxin is the best passive in the game due to Shark Bombing, even heavy P2W players agree with this statement that shark bombing is a problem and can cause Azure Fang to be absurdly hard to fight if you're running low on RNG.
-Fumakato <3
review main yea, but general pvp and lineups means you also need to consider the ninjas they tend to work well with, which you didn't. i'm just saying. you keep repeating that lmao but there's really no mention about teams, and all you go on about is 1) she's a healer, 2) neurotoxin.
i'm sorry literally nobody uses reverse seal. it's a good passive in theory. scaling crit is great. but it doesnt fit any of AF's skillsets (healers definitely don't run it, and people running chaos blitz usually do experimental nin), and honestly 1% crit increase is kinda bad. so yea, please explain why you think reverse seal is like, the best passive or something.
experimental nin honestly isn't great either. the only people running it are the same people running shark bomb blitz...and otherwise it's like, why,, when you can run poitai...?
p2w players agree but not many p2w players run chaos, and even less run shark bomb...
just to put things into perspective:
- 21/128 players in my spacetime (s300-400) run AF
- 12 run poitai, 9 of which use angry kushina
- 2 run chaos and/or experimental nin
- 4 run both poitai and chaos
- 2 had their tendo/NT team on
i'm not saying it's completely lousy, and it's definitely won people some battles somewhere, and it's a valid team to use in pvp, but if so few people are using it, you need to ask why.
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i think this list is valid in early/mid game, when you still don't have good enough ninjas to build your team around. in such a case, you depend on your main for reliable damage and support. AF and MB have that.
but as you and the rest of the players grow, you get more ninjas to take into consideration, and you can finally start to build teams ba
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