It's an okay list. While I do agree Earth main has some serious problems, I noticed you didn't really go into what they CAN do and just talked about what they CAN'T do.

Earth main while tanky, is a glorified support unit that is hard to kill. That's it. They are also the only main in the entire game that can support ANY ninja, regardless of gender or element. Pose of Duel gives 30% atk/nin to any ninja that has a shield currently on them. While yes, the target needs a shield on them, it has no restriction outside of that - and the great thing is that it can't be removed by Han or Wind Main mystery.

I love Earth main, it's my favorite main. I've actually never changed from Earth main. I haven't even unlocked the other mains to change to. It probably hinders me but I like being loyal. But I do agree that earth main has a lot of draw backs compared to the other mains. Shields keep getting nerfed to the point where most earth mains don't even take it anymore. It has no way to deal with debuffs, super armor was nerfed so badly that it isn't worth using anymore. It's elemental standard deals no damage (For summons), has no chase 10s.

I think the issue with Earth main is the fact that they tried to model each main after a character "type" in the series - Earth main got stuck with being modeled after Guy. He should have been modeled after Hashirama instead.

1. i think we should be considering mains in the context of the ninjas that can be used with them also. shisui, edo hiruzen, madara, susanoo itachi, agk... most p2w meta teams nowadays work best with CF or SB

2. is this talking about late game, mid game? i can see why AF would be a good choice mid game, but when you're in higher level swb facing down shisui's ignite, koh poison, edo hiruzen's massive blast, agk's tag and immune, sometimes heals can only get you so far.

3. not every team is about survival. sometimes we just want to blitz lol. that said, take buffs into consideration also.

in conclusion, there needs to be context for your comparison, and definitely some mains work better than others in various situations, but comparing mains alone to each other is poor representation of what each one is good for, and the ninjas that work with them as a whole team.

i find it's quite rare to choose the main before the other ninjas in the lineup. most take the ninjas they want to be damage dealers before slotting in the mains based on buffs and chases

(btw as we're slowly adapting to the chinese version of the game, and it's somewhat considered the "ideal" version of the long run of this game, i'll just let you know that the strongest earth main in my cn server is almost twice the power of the strongest water main; 300k vs 170k, and the strongest light main is stuck at 120k.)

While I do agree I was mostly negative on this list showing the bad sides of the mains instead of the good, well mainly for Scarlet and Crimson, I feel like this was extremely honest and that the results are to be expected.

I genuinely feel like Scarlet and Crimson aren't the best mains out there and Breeze is average while on the other-hand Midnight and Azure are absolutely god-tier.

But this was not a biased list, I tried to put facts into it and I do agree with you that Crimson is tanky but so is Azure and she is a tanky ninja done right.

-Fumakato <3

First of all, I'm reviewing the mains individually and seeing how good they can be in lineups and how individually strong they are.

Basically, let's say that you had a 1v1v1v1v1 between each main, which main do you think would win? If your answer was Azure Fang then you'd understand why I made her #1

Second of all, I'm talking about any type of late/early/mid game... Though heals can "only get you so far" so can Neurotoxin Shark Bomb Initiative Blitz... You're forgetting that not only is AF a Healer and Support but she's also a Blitzer.

Edit: Also I did say people could choose their main, I'm just stating which out of all the mains are factually better when individually pit against each other and how well they can work in lineups. AF is easily adaptable and can work with a lot of lineups, you could replace her in SOME meta Lineups and they'd feel almost the same but with a Healer Support Ninja in the mix now.

-Fumakato <3

but what's the point of doing a 1v1 with mains tho? everyone uses a whole team to fight.

there's actually only 1 fairly meta team that uses AF as a chaos blitz, and it's kure/gakido/af/sailor, and u don't see much of it nowadays. and the fact that it's falling out of popularity at the moment means that there are better teams for you to build. (y'know, immunity)

althought tbh if you made your argument with poitai i'd be more inclined to care. poitai is a whole different story compared to chaos. a lot more troublesome when paired with a ninja that can remove immunity (*cough* Kushina *cough*). where were you when the entire game collectively declared poitai as the most broken passive ever lol

list the teams we can discuss those

+ adding a healer doesnt necessarily make things better also. it takes away damage via standard and mystery, makes you dependent on a pos 3/4 standard/mystery to clear debuffs, which personally i don't feel comfortable with. i'd take immunity or reflect which is less dependent on when my main moves.

At the beginning of the post I clearly stated that I would be reviewing the main and seeing which is the best for general PvP and lineups, though you are correct in the aspect of "it'll get rid of a free attack and mystery due to her being a healer in the team" but her Passives make up for it.

Poison Tai dealing overtime damage and can be stacked is a really good passive for AOE Units and not to mention she has a Chase so she can still run that deadly Neurotoxin. Water Clone is the second best clone right next to Oboro, since Acupuncture is a really great status to put on an opponent but since it's only a chance and Oboro gives guaranteed 2nd attack (unless Immobile) it makes Oboro a slight bit better, not to mention Water Clone is really good for setting up combos. Healing Tips is extremely good if you can't fit Chakra Dissection Blade into your combo or don't run a team fit for crowd control. Nature Energy Gathering is meh but it's pretty alright. Experimental Ninjustu... Do I really need to tell you why this Passive is really good or do you understand? Reverse Seal... Again, do I really need to tell you why this is good?

Her Passives alone make her an extremely good ninja.

Edit: Also most people say Neurotoxin is the best passive in the game due to Shark Bombing, even heavy P2W players agree with this statement that shark bombing is a problem and can cause Azure Fang to be absurdly hard to fight if you're running low on RNG.

-Fumakato <3

review main yea, but general pvp and lineups means you also need to consider the ninjas they tend to work well with, which you didn't. i'm just saying. you keep repeating that lmao but there's really no mention about teams, and all you go on about is 1) she's a healer, 2) neurotoxin.

i'm sorry literally nobody uses reverse seal. it's a good passive in theory. scaling crit is great. but it doesnt fit any of AF's skillsets (healers definitely don't run it, and people running chaos blitz usually do experimental nin), and honestly 1% crit increase is kinda bad. so yea, please explain why you think reverse seal is like, the best passive or something.

experimental nin honestly isn't great either. the only people running it are the same people running shark bomb blitz...and otherwise it's like, why,, when you can run poitai...?

p2w players agree but not many p2w players run chaos, and even less run shark bomb...

just to put things into perspective:

- 21/128 players in my spacetime (s300-400) run AF

- 12 run poitai, 9 of which use angry kushina

- 2 run chaos and/or experimental nin

- 4 run both poitai and chaos

- 2 had their tendo/NT team on

i'm not saying it's completely lousy, and it's definitely won people some battles somewhere, and it's a valid team to use in pvp, but if so few people are using it, you need to ask why.

Why players mostly use the same main that because of the meta, before the new meta come They (oasis) will change the main skill set , after it players will use certain main that suit the best for latest meta's . All main good for me .

oh yea lol. more skill changes coming, probably with 5.0. meta's gonna be a blast

don't forget that mains have their own skills , for me every main are good but it's about which team do you use , if you use the right main on right team then you be able to get a chance to win against meta teams .

Thinking AF would win a 1v1v1v1v1 is incredibly naive. (I understand rankings were about team-building, but I still want to address this). The main with best chance of winning is honestly probably either wind main or fire main. Wind main because as you pointed out, clone spam is a thing, but then also use of the most people consider the weakest mystery, the rasengan because in such a fight, WM would almost always have enough clones to get the cool down bonus and just fire it off every round. Fire main is the next most likely simply because he hard counters such tactics from wind main, using fire spin standard and the passive that increases damage to clones by 50%.

nah... this is not talking about meta. as the title suggest "the best main" . the name of the game are "immunity" with extra cheese on it that boost "100%" resistance with a topping amp damage up with extra dmg insane grow.

Read Correctly the "DO note". it said Best main for pvp and lineup ,

So if u talking bout it . the ninja's include also . The reason i said It for Future meta's since why people use certain main mostly . that because of the meta's

All main had pros and cons . just use ninja that remove buff to beat LM team Lol

@OP:

Let me tell you a thing: imho you are talking this way because you still are in the very early steps of the game, because, otherwise, you wouldn't think crimson fist is the worst one and azure fang the best one.

Why?

1) Crimson fist.

Crimson fist is actually the best supporting main there is, overall if we talk about full immune ninjas and is the best if not the only option for some of the current meta teams. Some examples?

a) edo hiruzen meta uses crimson fist because pose of duel is the only buff that stacks with edo hiruzen buff and both double standard mystery and shield mystery are what make it works.

b) kurama roshi meta uses crimson fist just because let it stack roshi and gives enough chakra to use both roshi and kurama in round 2 (try to put a kushimaru in front of a roshi that gets shielded every round while stacks defense. Or you kill it in round 1-2, thing wholly impossible on par power, or you are done for).

c) ag konan meta works on a comparable level if not better with crimson fist than with breeze dancer if your defensive stats are high enough because double standard let stack better hokage minato and let konan reduce cd as much as dance of impetus, but the shields let her survive in many more situations while they also boost her, so, if your konan is, de facto, stacked enough to be immune to move 2+ controlling effects, crimson fist could be a very op choice.

d) itachi susano'o, ag konan, madara: good luck beating it on par power if you use double standard mystery, giant katsuyu level 3 and super armor passive.

what you are, in general, greatly undervaluing is the usefulness of that shield standard attack (that is there every round) and of pose of duel + the 3rd line of passive he owns (the +def/+res one, the shields one, the super armor one and the +atk/+combo one, each one of them can be really op depending on the situation).

2) Azure fang

You are talking about how op azure fang is due to neurotoxin and is true.

Shark bomb with neurotoxin is actually annoying and is op against a ton of ninjas, but....

exist both avoiding ninjas and full immune ninjas and they are quite common and both of them put you in a very disvantage when you run azure fang as a damage dealer.

The reason why with next patch shark bomb gets boosted so that steals also chakra is because right now is too easy to deny her good side and scarlet blaze, the main that should be weak against her, is actually good against her because it's enough that neurotoxin is reflected back to water main itself to wholly disable her.

P.S. if you run a neurotoxin lineup you actually do not use 3rd chase, but 4th chase + koh/tortoise/crustacean and eventually bet on another ninja with a controlling chase triggered by shark bomb (like kurenai, pakura, mei or angel konan) to be sure to control the target you want.

Personally i don't think there's a best and a worst main... It's always depending on the team you use... But if you're talking about which main would be better as a 1st pos, it would be azure fang for sure with chaos, refresh passive and shark bomb... Only char that seems to be the best out of the 5 it's the fire main and only in the beginning of the game... But after that every main has their own special ability and all of them have their uses

either its PVE or its PVP, the key point is which main is better? so to remove unnecessary variables like the bp gap between PVP? i mean its no brainer to tell any main with 100k bp gap can wreck any team regardless the enemy main are for an example. with or without their "meta" team are or so. the bp gap thing doesn't even need to be added to the title for this even to be consider.

and known the nature of meta. meta will change overtime as more ninjas are added or new feature added, patches, or just simply by people known the weak link/s on that team composition, etc. eg: chaos water main been ages since 1.0 i think, nothing new about it but people still using it, can it be called a current "meta"? or c.hidan meta same thing... dodger.. same thing,impertus.. same deal. so with that being said, whats relative are ur team theme/sync/whatsoever u want to call it vs ur enemy either its PVE/PVP. does it works? or not? assume they within same BP .. then its all came with changing the strategy that suit for those battle. or in simple words "there are no meta" whats left only the "strategy" u cant expect to win with 1 team build contain only 4 ninjas that on "meta" while the rest of ur ninja are lv1. otherwise they wont put 3 rounds on space time are they?

so now we can focus on the "main"s, true..very true they all have pros and cons. in perfectly imbalance as it can be which is lame in my humble opinion.even they should have pros and cons but at least they should have "balance" thingies going on.. not like the gap between heaven and earth. quickly point out why some main does superior than others:

- stat grows. example : wind man: nin dmg type having soso nin grow, while water main: nin healer/remove debuff or support type/poison/chaos..low nin grow but high resis and hp. lm: high attack,kinda high hp(which are in correct place). fm: nin dmg dealer not until lv 72 maybe, a debuffs main with 99% of his dmg are nin but lame nin grows.

- skillset. example: none of debuff/nin mains are relevant..."NONE" vs immunity main or can give up to 3 ninjas immunity. or in case of 1 main he can give resis 100% too. so nin type dont even matter, and thats on 1 slot passive skill. wont even have to bother to mention a shield that only give 10% most of the time as comparation bro... its not even worth if ur enemy have huge attack grows with his std attack that can crit. or 20% hp of 2 clones=40%.

ps: i cant put why wind impertus on skillset. since LM also have the "reset" skills is he? but point out 1 more case.

-heal, 20 cakras, remove debuff and being immunity as in 1 slot of std attack. WOW... even watermain only do heal/remove debuff not to mention other main like earth main that only do 10% shield. in general other main only do 1 thing on 1 slot skill, but all in 1 slot and not even a mystery, is legit broken.

Well i'd like to correct something its true that genjutsu mirror ''was'' amazing but as you may know or not now its not that amazing as it was coz it was nerfed.....While before you could reflect all the debuffs now all it takes is one debuff and thats all !! well it could be useful at some case where the ninja causes immediately immobile like in kushimaru or immediate chaos in shisuis case but when u have your water main with its poision tai that catch your ninja in a combo genjutsu mirror is pretty much useless coz everything you''ll get thrown back is 1 poison debuff and nothing more thats why most dont even use that passive while you mentioned its one of best points... I'd say that best point of fire main is the temporary debuff immunity he gives with his mystery and the boost of attack and ninjutsu which most are fire attribute the current meta now in game.

guess what , chaos are useless vs root of warrior , then if you meet kushimaru team or any light main with this skill , then it's a useless thing to do .