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I have 3 questions:

1) Is it worth getting Hiruzen frag from Great tree atm or it's like way expensive?

2) Is it possible to get 55 frags from the tree with 12k coupons?

3) Should i get him or wait and get Shisui instead?

Thank you all in advance!

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On 2018-07-27 23:19:26Show this Author Only
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Hmmm...it depends if you really love to get him and you have a concrete plan in mind, i.e. taking into consideration your resources, bp, server metas, etc. So, only you can answer if he is worth to you or not. I do not know the exact cost but personally, i can attest to the fact that his price range somehow is at least 20k or more depending on RNG for 80 frags as I got him recently in konoha tree too. Do not believe those people who says he is *t. He has his own areas in game to shine and to fall and thats natural. But as of the moment, I enjoy using him, Pvp, DB and TI and he makes great results. So you decide it all for yourself.

Your 12k for 55 frags maybe short. But i wish you luck my man. He is fun to use. Just give love to that Oji-san.

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On 2018-07-28 00:18:05Show this Author Only
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IMHO his mystery aint that strong even big gap Bp but his Std is pretty good than mystery . i did face hiruzen that 220k bp or more (im 135k at that time) yet it cant 1 shot or kill me just his std pretty strong .




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  • Kuro하돌 On 2018-07-28 00:18:05
  • IMHO his mystery aint that strong even big gap Bp but his Std is pretty good than mystery . i did face hiruzen that 220k bp or more (im 135k at that time) yet it cant 1 shot or kill me just his std pretty strong .

It's all about how stacked your hiruzen is. Consider that as water main (i'm missing the extra 30% from being earth), i usually oneshot people up to 180k BP as a 230k power.


The fact that, as 132k, you survived a 220k meant either that it was something wrong his side (no crit, bad team comp, no pos1 stacking) or that you are... remembering things a bit differently.

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On 2018-07-28 05:41:32Show this Author Only
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  • Shryke On 2018-07-28 02:22:44
  • It's all about how stacked your hiruzen is. Consider that as water main (i'm missing the extra 30% from being earth), i usually oneshot people up to 180k BP as a 230k power.


    The fact that, as 132k, you survived a 220k meant either that it was something wrong his side (no crit, bad team comp, no pos1 stacking) or that you are... remembering things a bit differently.

It isn't that unlikely. I'm at 105k power as a f2p and fought someone with 270k in Sage (I say fought but he spawn killed me 4 times QQ) and I survived Hiruzen's mystery. He was earth main with the standard increase, he had madara for the 20% boost. I mean it COULD have been boosted further but Edo Hiruzen's standard hit more than his mystery. I still died turn 1 xD BUT Edo Hiruzen mystery got me to about 20-30% HP on everyone, and then the standard did a 25k crit on my entire row - that would have one hit even if I was at full HP. Though I am also Earth main and run defense knowledge and Emerald tactic at lvl 7...so I'm sure that helped.

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On 2018-07-28 07:12:40Show this Author Only
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  • Shryke On 2018-07-28 02:22:44
  • It's all about how stacked your hiruzen is. Consider that as water main (i'm missing the extra 30% from being earth), i usually oneshot people up to 180k BP as a 230k power.


    The fact that, as 132k, you survived a 220k meant either that it was something wrong his side (no crit, bad team comp, no pos1 stacking) or that you are... remembering things a bit differently.

Nope He is using Earth main . if u said im remembering it wrong , probably not .he did kill one of my ninja's and other still had half health .


Even i remembering it wrong . i did fought my top 1 that had nearly 200k bp ( Merged server ) since he always ask for test . yet he said the mystery pretty low . now he not using his hiruzen .




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On 2018-07-29 22:02:51Show this Author Only
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getting him in around 16k give or take. worth it? probably. great tree drops quite a decent amount of cave keys and other stuffs so ur spending wont go in vain. i got like around 400 keys and 15 seal scrolls (fragments) back, also give or take. however think it is much better to get shisui first cause he can work with alot of team and still kinda op for his peers.

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On 2018-07-30 08:43:11Show this Author Only
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  • Shryke On 2018-07-28 02:22:44
  • It's all about how stacked your hiruzen is. Consider that as water main (i'm missing the extra 30% from being earth), i usually oneshot people up to 180k BP as a 230k power.


    The fact that, as 132k, you survived a 220k meant either that it was something wrong his side (no crit, bad team comp, no pos1 stacking) or that you are... remembering things a bit differently.

depends also on the enemy lineup.

if the enemy runs hokage minato or root of warrior, for example, the damage you land on him is way lower, the same if he stacked elemental resistances to deny the malus of his elemental weakness.

Personally speaking here i'm at 150k power and i use hokage minato and the only person in my swb bracket that is able to oneshot me with edo hiruzen meta is loco (275k), 180ks just bring me to half hp at most.

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On 2018-07-30 09:24:55Show this Author Only
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  • Kuro하돌 On 2018-07-28 00:18:05
  • IMHO his mystery aint that strong even big gap Bp but his Std is pretty good than mystery . i did face hiruzen that 220k bp or more (im 135k at that time) yet it cant 1 shot or kill me just his std pretty strong .

i even don't know who say that edo hiruzen is soo op ninja , just because his mystery don't have a b,cooldown this make him op ninja ???

if we talk about b,cooldown , then let's see what about tenten gnw or kisame shark mode or hinata gnw ....etc those ninja i feel they are better than him !!! ,i just want to know what make him a " Great op ninja "

he don't have a super armor or anything make him a " special ninja " i just see that old man not worth to spend , i even think angel konan are better than him soo much , but every ninja have a good points and bad points but if you make a good team with him he will be useful .

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On 2018-07-30 10:37:50Show this Author Only
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  • Raizel Di Cadiz On 2018-07-30 09:24:55
  • i even don't know who say that edo hiruzen is soo op ninja , just because his mystery don't have a b,cooldown this make him op ninja ???

    if we talk about b,cooldown , then let's see what about tenten gnw or kisame shark mode or hinata gnw ....etc those ninja i feel they are better than him !!! ,i just want to know what make him a " Great op ninja "

    he don't have a super armor or anything make him a " special ninja " i just see that old man not worth to spend , i even think angel konan are better than him soo much , but every ninja have a good points and bad points but if you make a good team with him he will be useful .

That's not quite correct.

His passive with missing HP, gives stronger def and res can make him a bit tankier, meanwhile u can 1 shot 1010 with Ay4th round 1 with 3 standards, before even mabui c*e hers. Thus, with Edo Saru build you only need passive ninja to make it 40.

Not quite sure about "OP", but is he strong? Yes.

But he's definitely way better than GNW Tenten in overall built-in structure.

However, there are a lot of ninjas those can counter him easily.

PvP - It's high risk, high reward team. But when he's in bond or GNW you will see a lot different. Especially in bond with over 200% buffs and stacked pos 1 can destroy your back line easily.

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  • Broken Screen On 2018-07-30 10:37:50
  • That's not quite correct.

    His passive with missing HP, gives stronger def and res can make him a bit tankier, meanwhile u can 1 shot 1010 with Ay4th round 1 with 3 standards, before even mabui c*e hers. Thus, with Edo Saru build you only need passive ninja to make it 40.

    Not quite sure about "OP", but is he strong? Yes.

    But he's definitely way better than GNW Tenten in overall built-in structure.

    However, there are a lot of ninjas those can counter him easily.

    PvP - It's high risk, high reward team. But when he's in bond or GNW you will see a lot different. Especially in bond with over 200% buffs and stacked pos 1 can destroy your back line easily.

Hi!

i talk about b,cooldown , many want him for that , and i see there many ninjas that are better , let say if he fight kisame shark and he stop your old man then he get a Acupunctrue or anything that can stop him so this make him useless , then tell me do he really worth to spend even you know there many player have more init than you and they can controll you easily ?

this the bad point that i talk about , if your opp have more init and he can contoll you then he can't help you well , it's better to use him as a support ninja because his Ninja Enhancement and this the only good thing i see about him , he will be a great support ninja for really .

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  • Raizel Di Cadiz On 2018-07-30 11:18:27
  • Hi!

    i talk about b,cooldown , many want him for that , and i see there many ninjas that are better , let say if he fight kisame shark and he stop your old man then he get a Acupunctrue or anything that can stop him so this make him useless , then tell me do he really worth to spend even you know there many player have more init than you and they can controll you easily ?

    this the bad point that i talk about , if your opp have more init and he can contoll you then he can't help you well , it's better to use him as a support ninja because his Ninja Enhancement and this the only good thing i see about him , he will be a great support ninja for really .

That's why I said he has many counters, but still better than GNW Tenten.

I do have him and I used him pretty much as support role for buffs and chase. His chase still melts the team.

However if you're strong enough to play him pos 1, they would already know those cc will stop him and have something counters for it.

I couldn't believe how many f2p players asked for him every time we had weekly updates a few weeks after when he was first released. China players impressed them with 1 shot way too much.

Thus, if anyone keeps track the price on Edo Saru, he got cheaper and cheaper each event in China.

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On 2018-07-30 12:19:58Show this Author Only
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  • Broken Screen On 2018-07-30 11:58:47
  • That's why I said he has many counters, but still better than GNW Tenten.

    I do have him and I used him pretty much as support role for buffs and chase. His chase still melts the team.

    However if you're strong enough to play him pos 1, they would already know those cc will stop him and have something counters for it.

    I couldn't believe how many f2p players asked for him every time we had weekly updates a few weeks after when he was first released. China players impressed them with 1 shot way too much.

    Thus, if anyone keeps track the price on Edo Saru, he got cheaper and cheaper each event in China.

They asked about him, because they thought they would only be able to get him because he was cheap in China. The big and shocking surprise was when they added him to the game at $ 600, and that's what they were disappointed
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