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On 2018-07-20 14:08:05Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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On what event should I farm the advance refinements? Sakura's gift or Treasure of Sage? Thanks for the help in advance.




This post was last edited by DJPL on 2018-07-20 14:08:05.
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On 2018-07-15 20:13:16Show this Author Only
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Sakura's gift is good only when you get #1 rank rewards. Which means its pretty much useless event, except for free 35 packs you can get during whole week, which usually get you 10adv refines~. If you value your coupons/money, avoid spending there. IIRC there was only one time when something wasnt overpriced (susanoo sasuke frags, only one time ever).

If you are interested in buying adv refines, treasure of the sages is the best event there is.

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On 2018-07-15 21:49:51Show this Author Only
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  • Zathroth On 2018-07-15 20:13:16
  • Sakura's gift is good only when you get #1 rank rewards. Which means its pretty much useless event, except for free 35 packs you can get during whole week, which usually get you 10adv refines~. If you value your coupons/money, avoid spending there. IIRC there was only one time when something wasnt overpriced (susanoo sasuke frags, only one time ever).

    If you are interested in buying adv refines, treasure of the sages is the best event there is.

but do not forget to tell him that is never worth for a f2p to actually buy them with coupons because there are a ton of other features that have a way better 'useful-power/coupons-spent' ratio than refinements since is useless to have 15k initiative, injury and critical if you have 9k nin/atk/def/res and 18k hp...


@OP: if the reason why you want to buy advanced refinements is because you lack initiative, critical and injury, then a way better option for you to go for is to actually buy lucky key packs and the 88 cake key packs when available at 799-810 coupons (not at 900) and try to reach every time 1050 cave key used when the rebate is on. That gold essence tool + all the cave runes grant you way more of those stats than the equivalent quantity of coupons used to buy advanced refinements grant you.

consider to get 1 single level 10 you need 1000-1400 runes that even in the best case scenario (40% discount in treasure of the sage) cost you 22000-30000 coupons. With the same coupons you get 220-300 lucky key packs that are 2500-3300 cave keys to use in the rebate that mean 2-3 gold orbs + 40-60 rolls (that maybe grant you additional orbs) and 2800-3600 rolls in the cave exploration an indeed better investment.




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On 2018-07-17 18:43:49Show this Author Only
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  • Garv On 2018-07-15 21:49:51
  • but do not forget to tell him that is never worth for a f2p to actually buy them with coupons because there are a ton of other features that have a way better 'useful-power/coupons-spent' ratio than refinements since is useless to have 15k initiative, injury and critical if you have 9k nin/atk/def/res and 18k hp...


    @OP: if the reason why you want to buy advanced refinements is because you lack initiative, critical and injury, then a way better option for you to go for is to actually buy lucky key packs and the 88 cake key packs when available at 799-810 coupons (not at 900) and try to reach every time 1050 cave key used when the rebate is on. That gold essence tool + all the cave runes grant you way more of those stats than the equivalent quantity of coupons used to buy advanced refinements grant you.

    consider to get 1 single level 10 you need 1000-1400 runes that even in the best case scenario (40% discount in treasure of the sage) cost you 22000-30000 coupons. With the same coupons you get 220-300 lucky key packs that are 2500-3300 cave keys to use in the rebate that mean 2-3 gold orbs + 40-60 rolls (that maybe grant you additional orbs) and 2800-3600 rolls in the cave exploration an indeed better investment.

So? On what you're trying to say is that I should go for cave keys and the essence treasure rather than farming some advance refinements? Okay then. Thank you so much. ^_^

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On 2018-07-17 21:48:39Show this Author Only
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Garv, that depends on current levels of each function. You are generally right, although cave keys require focusing on charms (at least 6-7lvl on each ninja you want to have better cave runes) to get the most of it. Refines are more balanced, since they give some of each secondary stat and gold purification is generally easy to make on 1 attribute of choice (example: you want ini, you roll until get ini and even reroll other gold ones, then its up to rng which 2nd one you get and from this point it gets expensive). Essences seem to be the way to go up until lv15, since iirc thats when 1 golden essence isnt enough to lvl up. If all of the power functions are on rather mediocre level, essences undoubtedly provide the fastest initiative boost.


OP asked which event is good place, so mentioned events are the answer. If OP wants to get most stats the cheapest way, nobody on forum can provide him 100% accurate answer- op needs to calculate how much power each stat gives (check character stats, remove cave rune/mangatama and see how much power X ammount of stat gives) then calculate cost of items and how much stat they give and see what has better ratio. Also after each thing levels up, it's diminishing returns usually are higher, so you need to recalculate because results will be slightly different (i recommend doing it in excel- easy adjustments).That method is painstaking but allows one to develop their account in the most optimal way. I personally never bothered with it. However since you will upgrade everything (one day) anyway, whether you do this first or second it doesnt make THAT much difference. You honestly cant go wrong with using rebate with it's maximum efficiency, even if that power source isnt the most optimal :-)




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On 2018-07-18 17:00:05Show this Author Only
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  • Zathroth On 2018-07-17 21:48:39
  • Garv, that depends on current levels of each function. You are generally right, although cave keys require focusing on charms (at least 6-7lvl on each ninja you want to have better cave runes) to get the most of it. Refines are more balanced, since they give some of each secondary stat and gold purification is generally easy to make on 1 attribute of choice (example: you want ini, you roll until get ini and even reroll other gold ones, then its up to rng which 2nd one you get and from this point it gets expensive). Essences seem to be the way to go up until lv15, since iirc thats when 1 golden essence isnt enough to lvl up. If all of the power functions are on rather mediocre level, essences undoubtedly provide the fastest initiative boost.


    OP asked which event is good place, so mentioned events are the answer. If OP wants to get most stats the cheapest way, nobody on forum can provide him 100% accurate answer- op needs to calculate how much power each stat gives (check character stats, remove cave rune/mangatama and see how much power X ammount of stat gives) then calculate cost of items and how much stat they give and see what has better ratio. Also after each thing levels up, it's diminishing returns usually are higher, so you need to recalculate because results will be slightly different (i recommend doing it in excel- easy adjustments).That method is painstaking but allows one to develop their account in the most optimal way. I personally never bothered with it. However since you will upgrade everything (one day) anyway, whether you do this first or second it doesnt make THAT much difference. You honestly cant go wrong with using rebate with it's maximum efficiency, even if that power source isnt the most optimal :-)

Since we are close to 5.0 and 5.0 means sun and moon shop where advanced refinements are free to farm then of course matters....

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On 2018-07-18 17:36:45Show this Author Only
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  • Scarlettblue On 2018-07-18 17:00:05
  • Since we are close to 5.0 and 5.0 means sun and moon shop where advanced refinements are free to farm then of course matters....

Are we close to it? If you really want adv ref than probably treasure of the sage event is the best if you lucky but directly buy items not really recommended, Agree whit the others you can invest it to cavekeys and spend on rebate , and also 5.0v maybe add better gameplay and easier way to get refinements , but its all up to you. And you can go sage battlefield....

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On 2018-07-18 17:53:54Show this Author Only
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  • uuugh On 2018-07-18 17:36:45
  • Are we close to it? If you really want adv ref than probably treasure of the sage event is the best if you lucky but directly buy items not really recommended, Agree whit the others you can invest it to cavekeys and spend on rebate , and also 5.0v maybe add better gameplay and easier way to get refinements , but its all up to you. And you can go sage battlefield....

yes, we are. Since oasis germany got the update packet from tencent then also oasis global have it, and there is no reason to delay a patch, so, as usual we will get it 2 months after germany, so or in august or in september.

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On 2018-07-18 18:26:38Show this Author Only
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treasure of the sage with 30% discount at least in my opinion...

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On 2018-07-19 09:31:05Show this Author Only
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if you're try to buy adv refs imo LB is better coz you can get extra items from there.


thats what i do coz im a f2p.




This post was last edited by Shin弱者 on 2018-07-19 09:33:38.
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On 2018-07-19 19:25:44Show this Author Only
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  • Shin弱者 On 2018-07-19 09:31:05
  • if you're try to buy adv refs imo LB is better coz you can get extra items from there.


    thats what i do coz im a f2p.

LB?

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On 2018-07-19 19:42:09Show this Author Only
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  • DJPL On 2018-07-19 19:25:44
  • LB?

Lucky board, where they cost 30-33 coupons, each one but you get also the things on the board itself, but imho, as they told you, buying adv. Ref. with sun and moon shop introduction close makes no sense. Buy other features.

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