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On 2018-07-10 19:43:50Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Hello,


the question is simple. How is it with ninja equipment in Matsuri event?

I mean, you can select treasure tools, which is fine, but what about the other things which affect battle stats of each ninja. The majority of players have 1 ninja "stacked" to reach as high stats as possible for first position ninja. Let's talk about "Initiative" for example. My first position has far over 12k Initiative while one of my opponents yesterday had like 10-11k and he was faster for some reason. My question is, why? How can I manage items on my ninjas? Why is power on ninjas in Matsuri event different from the power of the same team currently equiped. When I go with my cursor over the ninja in my lineup, it shows current power of the ninja with equipment (not even correctly) only if the ninja is in my "main" team. When I do the same for other ninjas that I selected for Matsuri, it shows their "personal" ninja power - only their own stats without any equipment. On the other hand, if I go with my cursor over their icon on the left, it shows power with some equipment (yet again totally inaccurate).


Can anyone somehow explain this?



Thank you




This post was last edited by shadowek_S20 on 2018-07-10 19:43:50.
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On 2018-07-10 21:16:16Show this Author Only
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Rather than let place your equipment as you please, matsuri takes the average of all your equipment for every stat and that is what each ninja gets. This makes the only difference between your ninjas in matsuri which treasured tool you give them. It is an intentional design choice and isn't gonna change. Think of it as a different type of PvP event with its own challenges, sort of like how arena puts everyone at the same level instead what you're actually at.

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On 2018-07-11 00:38:03Show this Author Only
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  • goalie720 On 2018-07-10 21:16:16
  • Rather than let place your equipment as you please, matsuri takes the average of all your equipment for every stat and that is what each ninja gets. This makes the only difference between your ninjas in matsuri which treasured tool you give them. It is an intentional design choice and isn't gonna change. Think of it as a different type of PvP event with its own challenges, sort of like how arena puts everyone at the same level instead what you're actually at.

Is this confirmed? I've noticed that whichever ninja I place first in the lineup will get slightly higher bp than if I place them second or third. Though nowhere near the bp of my stacked pos 1, even if it is the same ninja.

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On 2018-07-11 01:45:34Show this Author Only
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  • SomeoneRandom On 2018-07-11 00:38:03
  • Is this confirmed? I've noticed that whichever ninja I place first in the lineup will get slightly higher bp than if I place them second or third. Though nowhere near the bp of my stacked pos 1, even if it is the same ninja.

exactly

if everything is based on average stats, then why my first position still seems to be stacked when I look on the battle power.

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On 2018-07-11 05:46:04Show this Author Only
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  • shadowek_S20 On 2018-07-11 01:45:34
  • exactly

    if everything is based on average stats, then why my first position still seems to be stacked when I look on the battle power.

Ah sorry I forgot that it also counts your 8 gates runes as normal. So stacked treasured tools, and stacked 8 gates runes will result in different bp spreads throughout your lineup. (And also consider that different ninjas have different inherent bps, but I'm assuming you know this and are commenting about how the exact same lineup in the same order has different bps in matsuri and outside it)

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On 2018-07-11 08:01:15Show this Author Only
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I can confirm that it does go on average.

Vs my friend on Monday night, her pos 1 is faster than mine by 500 but I have total ini faster than her by 4k.

Our treasure tools are similar, in fight my pos 1 was faster than her.

Most of our items are very similar, other than purifies, mine are much better than hers. Thanks to RNG God.

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On 2018-07-11 17:33:03Show this Author Only
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I can confirm instead that is not true at all. Otherwise all those move 1 overstackers in matsuri would land close to no damage to me, while, instead, i should land higher damage than them on them, but does not happen. I am a 150k that goes for immortal and endurance teams so my stats are well spreaded except for a little advantage of move 1 granted by better refinements and initiative. If i had to meet a 140k there with a 60k move 1 outside matsuri in matsrui his damge on me should be the same a 110k with a 35k move 1 would land on me outside matsuri but is not so.

And no, the treasure tools are not sufficient to explain the difference since i have 4 ropes with all level 10s, so, even a rope with all leve 17 would barely cover the advantage i generally have in move 2-3-4 refinements.




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On 2018-07-12 06:30:32Show this Author Only
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Hi! Terribly sorry for any confusion, this has been asked and answered here.


After confirming with my team, the equipment for each ninja in your lineup is the average stats for all your equipment. The only thing that is not an average is your Treasure Tools. So your total amount of initiative and how you beset your Treasure Tools will have the greatest affect on Fighting Matsuri.


~Jib

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On 2018-07-14 05:28:09Show this Author Only
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  • Jiburiru On 2018-07-12 06:30:32
  • Hi! Terribly sorry for any confusion, this has been asked and answered here.


    After confirming with my team, the equipment for each ninja in your lineup is the average stats for all your equipment. The only thing that is not an average is your Treasure Tools. So your total amount of initiative and how you beset your Treasure Tools will have the greatest affect on Fighting Matsuri.


    ~Jib

Thank you for your answer.


So I assume that the only way to find out actual battle power of each ninja is to go with cursor over ninja icons on the left side right? Because when I check power by going with my cursor over the ninja in formation, it shows the same power as I have outside of Matsuri with the same team and same ninja.


For example, let's say that my first position ninja has 50000 power in normal gameplay. When I go into Matsuri event and check the battle power of that ninja in formation, then I will see 50000. On the other hand, when I check battle power in the interface on the left, then I'll see something like 40000 for example (since my 1st position is stacked, average value is lower). So the actual power is the lower number you say.


Maybe it would be just fine to fix this since the fact that it shows 2 different powers for each ninja is very confusing.


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  • shadowek_S20 On 2018-07-14 05:28:09
  • Thank you for your answer.


    So I assume that the only way to find out actual battle power of each ninja is to go with cursor over ninja icons on the left side right? Because when I check power by going with my cursor over the ninja in formation, it shows the same power as I have outside of Matsuri with the same team and same ninja.


    For example, let's say that my first position ninja has 50000 power in normal gameplay. When I go into Matsuri event and check the battle power of that ninja in formation, then I will see 50000. On the other hand, when I check battle power in the interface on the left, then I'll see something like 40000 for example (since my 1st position is stacked, average value is lower). So the actual power is the lower number you say.


    Maybe it would be just fine to fix this since the fact that it shows 2 different powers for each ninja is very confusing.


Hi! So you are definitely correct that you would see a power difference between your Fighting Matsuri team and your regular team. The reason why is the calculation behind Normal battle, Sage World, Space time, and GNW in comparison to say Fighting Matsuri and Arena. For example, while Normal battle, Sage World, Space Time, and GNW takes your specifically tailored initiative into battle; Fighting Matsuri and Arena takes a percentage of your total initiative (Total initiative divided by the ninja in lineup [4]).


One of the reasons I believe this is implemented is to allow for differences in fighting abilities. While there are many players who focus solely on stacking one position, doing so is costly. So it works out to some player's favor to have a total initiative higher than a player who technically has a lower total initiative, but one stacked position (since stacking one position gets more costly as you get higher, compared to evenly distributing the power/stats).


Could you by chance elaborate a little bit on the confusion? A screenshot would be really helpful =]


~Jib

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On 2018-07-24 02:41:49Show this Author Only
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Sorry, it took me pretty long :D well I took 3 screenshots for you:

Real power in "Ninja" interface: https://ctrlv.cz/shots/2018/07/23/Wtsg.png

Power displayed when you go with your cursor over the ninja in the actual field in Matsuri: https://ctrlv.cz/shots/2018/07/23/AUkj.png

Power displayed when you go with your cursor over the ninja icon on the left in Matsuri: https://ctrlv.cz/shots/2018/07/23/2rXn.png

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