This discussion is moot since Oasis does not have the rights to tamper with game code. They only decide the speed, order and cost of events and updates.

Jib Edit: We are still our separate version, so changes that happen to us can be influenced by feedback. It is not just dictated by other versions.

I am pretty sure garv would be perfectly fine with it if they granted to whoever spent a ton on them after an eventual nerf a boost to atk and nin comparable to the advantage they currently gained thanks to critical and injury. And still is not that who spent loses the advantage with the nerf, they just lose a part of it and they would still be ahead others, just that they would lose the sureness to crit or the granted immunity of their move 1.

That said we just got two nerfs to stats in the past, so is not something unheard of (two times on ninja tools).

As it works now both features are expensive when you reach lvl 7.

Business wise it’s better to leave them both as is than to lower the cost of either one.

Also Tencent would not agree to that as they probably have the final say on anything.

Honestly speaking, no.

If you spend a lot you should not be rewarded with things you actually spent a lot onto.

What's the outcome of getting all level 9-10 refinements in move 1 right now?

That you get top3 in swb every time.

And what is the reward for getting top3 in swb every time?

Advanced refinements.

This is not a good way to manage the things, business-wise.

Should be who does not get top3 that gets a ton of refinements so is able to catch up to the top3 without spending as much as them, that way those people, to keep their placements, are compelled to pay more in other features.

Imho, currently, top3 placements should grant ability treasure scrolls and myoboku grasps, while position 4-10 in swb should grant 12-18 advanced refinements.

I'm talking about critical rate, injury, combo rate, control rate.

Those are the secondary stats.

There's also initiative, of course, but what that stat do is blatant to everybody and has anyways to be a way to select who moves first, so is the only secondary stat i would not talk about, for obvious reasons.

Yes, i know there are also nin p3netrations, tai p3netrations, damage reduction and elemental weaknesses, but i would prefer to avoid talking about them because is blatant they should not be nerfed for how low they currently impact on the battle mechanics (if possible those ones should be buffed instead...)

Anyways, you are wrong about saying that the only way to nerf them is to remove them. You can easily nerf them by modifying their impact coefficient or their availability.

Currently every 100 rate of difference between the stats of ninja 1 and ninja 2 grants a +1% bonus to the effect of the stat itself, if instead of +1% they granted a quantity lower than 1% (0.8% or 0.5% for example) you would get a nerf of those stats (a nerf to the effect of those stats).

If instead of granting 665 of those stats a level 10 refinement would grant a lower quantity than 665, you would get another kind of nerf to those stats (a nerf to the available quantity of those stats at the current price).

P.S. i'll wait some more replies, now that i better explained what i meant before giving my opinion.

anyone know if those stats like tai *ion or injury etc even work? has anyone tested them?

The question to ask is NOT "should secondary stats impact on the game be modified? or nerf?"

The RIGHT question is. Are secondary stats important enough to invest?

The ANSWER is YES, secondary stats are Skill Effectiveness stats. Very Important. primary stats are baseline Standard Stats. Also Important.

XD

Don't get confuse and think secondary stats should automatically be less important than primary stats. Just because they named it secondary.

Don't forget you go to primary school. Then when your done. Its secondary school that matters XD.

I was lucky, I'm new to the maths, I invested all over the place, i did not stack at first, but a veteran quickly pick me up and corrected me. it works so far.

A point on critical. Hit my right hand and I might lost my arm, hit the head or the heart and I could be dead.

A point on injury. Break the neck in one quick swoop. KO.

A point on stacking. In the anime. 1 Hokage level is truly skilled and experience enough to beat 10 average Joinin level, and.. we really want to think so XD.

I don't think secondary stats should change. I think the game is just fine the way it is in that regard. You don't have to spend thousands of dollars on the game to get good stats, in fact I have spent well under $1000 since the launch of the game and I am a top 10 power on my server. Its all about smart spending.

Before Tencent's stance on the pen stats providing very little power or usefulness in battle compared to the primary ones but they recently reversed their opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ2m0j9pnuQ

Stats such as crit injury should not be significantly more impactful than the primary stats. Game needs to move out of stacked pos 1 meta.