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On 2018-04-13 07:24:42Show All PostsDescending Order
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Hello Fellow Naruto Online players, today I would like to discuss the problem of a large number of servers not being full.

The reason I start this is to try and get people talking about this and get new players into older servers.

The main reason people do not join an old server is the player base has such a "head start". If one person joins, for example, S26, this has a lot of people with high battle power how would I compete in this server? As one person good luck buddy... but if every person who was going to join a new server instead joined S26, well look at that you now have a bunch of players who are at the same point of you.

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This post was last edited by iPackaPunch on 2018-04-13 07:24:42.
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On 2018-04-13 07:23:24Show All Posts
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It was, but the previews post needed to be changed a bit to become more of a discussion rather then a suggestion thread.

So all is good now :D


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On 2018-04-13 08:19:50Show All Posts
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The main problem is most new players don't understand how servers will work.

They will join a new server play for a while and then quit when they see the serves activity die down. Most people would not like to play on a low populated server, and this is why some people will quit.

The current amount of new servers being made causes the populated to be thinned out too much. In the short run it may work but in the long run less servers with higher populated will result in less people quitting due to an active server.

Of cause this has its opposing effects. In a larger server there is a higher chance of having "whales" which will make some aspects of the game harder, causing some to quit.

But the question is which option would have less people quitting?

If you think about why people quit when a game doesnt feel very active, this effects general the entire population of the server.

When cosidering people quitting due to difficulty from "whales" this would only effect a portion of the population.

Another question to ask is how many people you know have quit causes of one or more of these reason?

Would they come back if activity increase? Or would they come back if that "whale" left the server?

Whats everyones experience as a new player? If you could would you change the server you started off in( not based on individuals on your server but the activity)





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On 2018-04-13 09:01:07Show All Posts
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You are absolutely right about that being a bigoted comment, I apologize if I have offened you or your opinion.

Maybe this change to you is not "great" and will impact your gameplay style in a negative way?

What are you opinions on the situation that you don't feel is great?This is not me saying you are wrong I want to read and understand your opinion on the matter friend :)

(Emotion is sometimes hard to understand over text)

I would disagree of your opinion on mods.

You first need to understand that mods don't "fix" things involving the game, that is the developer. Their role is to moderate forums so they do not play a role in whether you believe the game is good or bad to the extent I think you are getting across?. This is besides the point as this is far from the topic of this thread.





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On 2018-04-13 11:28:09Show All Posts
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  • MadaraFounder On 2018-04-13 10:42:46
  • by the way, i'm agreed with your statement that s26 is having most strongest players around with high bp even GeneralBudz is playing on that server as well i think based on his video.

I wasn't stating that for that reason, it's the server I am on which I joined few months ago so that why I used it on example.

Thank you for your input :)

I agree, it is hard to join a new server when so far behind. This is a hurdle that needs to be cleared if you wanted to join an old server. It would take a large group of people joining in on a server so you have people around your level to compete with.

Even if this was the case you would never become number 1 in an old server or even top 10, but this game is more then just... hey, I am rank 3 in battle power.

As stated I joined S26 a few months ago, at the start it was rough, and has gotten better.

I am now able to plunder, i get wins in fighting matsuri, the only problem I face is Sage world. But that is based on the cross servers not having enough players to create a 3rd bracket in my server bracket.(this would be fixed with a larger player base in lower servers in my region.)






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On 2018-04-13 15:56:31Show All Posts
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@Sui,@ignitionkai

I don't play db very often mainly due to the time and that it is hard takes a while to find even matches.

I never stated that I compete with the strongest, I said it started out hard but it is getting easier. There are a lot of lower bp /level players on S26 which is why I can plunder. When I say low I mean around 50k bp.

Gnw doesnt require much in the way of bp, aslong as you are in a good group.

@uugh, not only your respond but others reponse prove some do care.

@Brandenlol

You raise some good points there, this would then move over to the developers to implement such a function. It sounds like a great idea though!

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On 2018-04-14 07:01:41Show All Posts
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  • Barrin On 2018-04-13 20:44:03
  • You should be ashmed of yourserfl. This is some highly despiteful "advice". I can imagine, a new player reading this and be like "yeah.... I know this from WoW to be true". It's BS is what it is.

    There is NO catch-up mechanic whatsoever. All you want is people you c*e and abuse, however you please, knowing that will never stand a chance and most of them will quit very soon.

    It's okay and understandable that you want to have more traffic on your old servers. However, it does not give you the right, to purposly cheat someone out of a great and fun experience (=new server), where this person actually has a shot of getting a great start (which is insanly important in this game).

I feel like you haven't read anything I have said? I state the difficulties in this and how it is not something that works as of right now. It requires a large group of people to join around the same time. e.g let's say 500 people join a new server if 300 joined into an old server they all have some level competition. I have never stated there was a catch-up mechanic so I am unsure where you got this from? Someone suggested this in a post here for a possible fix but this is not implemented. There is no cheating here? With most game mods there is some form of level capping so they will be versing the 300 relatively new players on the server in most events.


The purpose of this is not to "cheat" anyone out of fun. The purpose is to extend the life of the game so everyone can enjoy the game longers with a more active player base with higher populated servers rather than spread out with low populated servers. I suggest you read over what I have said at the start to have a greater understanding of what this topic is for.

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On 2018-04-14 07:05:37Show All Posts
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  • Danzō On 2018-04-14 05:40:31
  • Issue is that people, especially whales, want to be #1 not #98.

If you have a low populated server that is dying being #1 on a dead server doesn't really mean much. If your only goal in a game is to be #1 and not enjoy the game and interact with the player base, are you really having fun?

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On 2018-04-14 07:08:59Show All Posts
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  • ZWen On 2018-04-14 02:06:38
  • Then both get rekt, me and my friends at 50-60k rekt a lot of 80-90k players in bond when they are trying to carry some random 30-40k I believe it will happen to players at higher bp as well.


    Btw to people who want new players to join their dying server that for some reason are not getting merge yet. Why don't you go and do what you expecting them to do? I mean if you are expecting new players to join your server and suffer for your own benefit then why don't you go and do it yourself? You can go and start over in s1 or s26 or any server you think is competitive yourself. Problem solved.

The problem with this, is people have invested a lot of time in their server which is unfair for them to have to start again because they joined into a server that they were unaware was going to lose a large portion of its population in a small period of time. But if this was the case and they decide to join a new server again they know where the server will drift off to again unless a change is made.

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On 2018-04-14 07:28:51Show All Posts
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  • ZWen On 2018-04-13 23:11:10
  • As a newbie when you join an old server there are pro and cons :
    + Pro :
    - You get to see more people afk in Konoha.

    - Your ninja exam from 135 til 180 at choke point maybe easier.

    + Cons:
    - You can't win against anyone.

    - You won't get any free stuffs that pretty much ALL people who play before you got.

    - Your survival trial experience will be hell from day 1 unlike people who started before you.

    - Your rank arena will also be hell and good luck reach Sage of Six Paths for some free CP unlike other people who play before you.

    - You can't plunder, so kiss good bye the best cp income source because you won't be able to get in top 100 rank battle in at least 2 or 3 months or you need to pay for something other people get for free.

    - You ain't have any chance in Space Time Battle (but you won't get any chance in new server anyway lel).

    - When you level up you will be easy target for other people to plunder, the older the server the more freeze level players (P2W people).

    - You won't win in sage world because your free rerouces are extremely limited. You take 1 step the other guy already take 5 or 10.

    - Same for matsuri, your life will be basically hell.

    - No group would allow you to participate GNW let alone GNW pack it if you decided to join a crowded server.

    - Most of people you see in afk in town won’t even bother to gelp you with your TI or SA unless they’ve done with their. So unless you have the patience and time to wait for them else you are screw.


    Hmm, I don't know, joining an old server seem like a good idea because some "veteran" players on forum told me to even tho I'm not a whale to back myself up or friends in the server or experience about the game. Guess I'll jo... *process to die*


    So yea, for those "veteran" players who go around telling bs about how it's better to join an old server. You can stop now.

This is the current state of the game and I agree with most of your points here.

The problem is you are looking at the game in the short run and not the long run.

I myself joined an old server and can comment on these con's from personal experience.

- You can't win against anyone.--------- This is not true, in old servers there are still a lot of low bp players. (If the people who join new servers came here e.g 300 + people, look 300 people now you can win against.)

- You won't get any free stuffs that pretty much ALL people who play before you got. -------- Free stuff from where? are you talking about timed events?

- Your survival trial experience will be hell from day 1 unlike people who started before you. ------- Survival trial started up pretty easy? did you join an old server and have a different experience?

- Your rank arena will also be hell and good luck reach Sage of Six Paths for some free CP unlike other people who play before you. -------- .... Ranked arena doesn't give you coupons unless you're talking about the 1st time you ranked up then yes you miss out on a small amount.

- You can't plunder, so kiss good bye the best cp income source because you won't be able to get in top 100 rank battle in at least 2 or 3 months or you need to pay for something other people get for free. Yes this is very true, you can not plunder unless you plan on spending ingots. ( top 50 in the non-merged server which is mostly old servers)

- You ain't have any chance in Space Time Battle (but you won't get any chance in new server anyway lel). Haha yeah well spacetime is really for veterans or high spenders :)

- When you level up you will be easy target for other people to plunder, the older the server the more freeze level players (P2W people). I guess this one depends on the server itself, aslong as you don't level up too fast and join a semi-decent group with the support you will have a better time in an old server over a new. Think about how many of the top 50(refer to comment above) , most of them will be high levels , maybe a few lower that may be able to plunder you. Now go to a new server how many of the top 50 will be able to plunder you? depends on your bp yes but it will be most likely all 50.

- You won't win in sage world because your free rerouces are extremely limited. You take 1 step the other guy already take 5 or 10. Sage is not good the way it is in S26, from the start you are with people around level 1 -90ish, What the cross-sever in my region lacks is more lower levels to fill up the lower level bracks. This will not be fixed unless a change is made.

- Same for matsuri, your life will be basically hell. Matsuri can be done, but you really need to be on as soon as it starts as there is only a small player base of lower levels, get in before high levels haha XD

- No group would allow you to participate GNW let alone GNW pack it if you decided to join a crowded server. I am apart of a group in GNW, we always get into cross sever GNW aswell, I am giving packs even though my input to the fights feels less then important due to my lower bp compared to group mates.This depends on the group you join, any reasonable person would welcome to you to their group and treat you like anyone else.

- Most of people you see in afk in town won’t even bother to gelp you with your TI or SA unless they’ve done with their. So unless you have the patience and time to wait for them else you are screw. In a more populated server, this is the opposite, a lot of people will help you, even in my server a lot of people helped me through my low levels and still do.

To sum this up, most of the con's could be improved more with more new players joining old servers over new ones as well.


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On 2018-04-14 07:32:06Show All Posts
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  • ZWen On 2018-04-14 02:01:37
  • Because it give them profit and recycle players. If you are a new player, do you want to join a server where everyone else has months of advantage ahead of you? Do you want to spend on that? Because for new player, if you want to make them spend money, you need to make them feel attached to the game a.k.a having fun and I don't think losing all the time in old server considered fun for them.


    This game was made around the ranking, all the good stuffs are placed behind the ranking wall, if you can't reach it. You jump to another server til you find a right spot for you. A good player will find his spot quickly and a noob player will take more time. Ultimately we compete against each other in cross server pvp events.

    So why must 800 players all gathered into 1 server and only 80 of them get gnw packs and the rest are just fodder while they can seperate into 10 servers and all of them get pack? They still be able to fight each other because sage world, matsuri, arena are cross servers. That's 1 easy example for you.


    The key word here is some, not all. I also didn't said all old players will ignore new players in their server but MOST of them will. And for a group in old & crowded server, a new player will never get a chance to take pack.


    Why matsuri not relate? Same reason I mentioned for sage.

Cross-server events only cover a certain amount of worlds, as someone in S26, I will not meet someone who has just started cross-server on their server.

I agree you don't want a server that is too overpopulated but you also don't want one that's unpopulated which is where we are at right now.

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