Land of lightning treasure ofcourse. U can form a great team with just this treasure. Lightning main/earth main + ay 3rd raikage + omoi + samui.

Just focus to spend all of ur seal scroll in this treasure until u get the 3rd raikage Ay. After that u can switch to other treasure u like such as roshi or han treasure.

This is a wise move for u bro. Dont forget to do gnw event as much as u can since u can get free seals scroll from it

...I'm surprised someone suggested LoL treasure, but I'm not against that idea, 3rd Ay's a great ninja in my opinion, he's got solid stats, he's cool, he's an edo nin (which benefits him against some nin, allows him to get other buffs), he's got an insane mystery if allowed to build up, great chases, and a good chakra passive. Along with a good amount of tag, he's a solid ninja

Ay 3rd is good, but....

Do you have good initiative, raw power?

Can you 1 shot entire line round 2?

If you can't then no.

Kage treasure is still good to pull. They give you many options to build and buff your team.

You can aim for GNW box, even common ones like Pakura, Fuguki, Edo Haku, or Mu can provide you a lot of utility.

I'd recommend to aim for big treasure, keep drawing on free draw on smaller ones ie Jin 1, 2 and Lightning. By the time you get SR from 1 big treasure, you'd probably got at least 1 rare from each box. It will save your SS to get SR from each smaller ones.

To be honest I had not even considered pulling in land of lightning, mainly because I don't see those ninja used in a lot of line ups. I'm mainly unable to choose between GNW and Kage… or jinchuriki for Han and Roshi since they are used in many teams. Still not sure which of these treasures have more useful ninja.

I suggest getting a few or couple of rares from kage,then move onto the gnw treasure.

few people went in land of lightning treasure because they were hoarding in perspective of getting gnw treasure and since we got GNW treasure very soon (less than 2 months after land of lightning) many people simply chose to skip it because they loved more the idea to get those rares or the super rares, but Ay 3rd is pretty solid.

Just beware that he shines in the basic setup you get from the treasure itself (omoi, samui, ay 3rd) only if you run it with earth main.

If you want to change main you need other ninjas from other treasures.

The lightning main version shines if you use, in the place of omoi, or Cee or Jinpachi or Edo sasori (because, otherwise, once they immobile/chaos/acupunture Ay for you it's game over).

The water main version absolutely requires darui in the place of omoi.

Darui is very viable in the place of omoi also with crimson fist, what to prefer between darui and omoi is all up on your total initiative (so if is likely or not that you have the barrier up).

Fire and wind main just don't match well with that lineup.

Nahhh Wind is ok with Lightning.

Flower Guard with Samui, Impetus, and Chakra skills thing.

She probably can fit quite well with Lightning also.

Im not sure about fire main though. I have not seen anyone using 3rd with Fire.

From me by rank most suitable for lightning team would be Earth, then Wind, Lightning, Water and Fire.

This was really helpful. Thank you.

How many pulls to get Ay?

~200 pulls for 3rd Ay. I agree with the above posters, he's a really strong ninja, but I'm not sure he's worth investing 200 seal scrolls at this point for you. You might do better with GNW treasure or even Kage treasure.

the problem of running wind main is that wind main itself is the squishiest main there is in the game, she just doesn't survive if gets targeted directly and the only way you have with her to remove an eventual CC on ay is to use dance of impetus, this means if you do not own initiative that you wholly waste it just to have a decent round 2 and to have it again you need to wait 3 more rounds, a way too long time.

Basically you are in the same situation you would be with crimson fist, just without the double standard attack in round 1/3 or 2/4 and without pose of duel boost and shields to gain what? 1 more darui and samui mystery and a two rounds immunity on samui?

on paper works, in real battles no.

i got it at my 23rd draw by 10 (so between the 221st and the 230th draw)

I pulled in LoL treasure when I hit like 65 managed to get Ay just a month or so after getting Samui on 40 and a Dupe Samui on 100. Got Omoi on 180 then 3rd Raikage for 220. (I level froze so I had a huge chunk of Seal Scrolls). As a LM I can complete Survival Extreme rather easily cause of that treasure.

Definitely worth it.

Ah, i do not agree with your last line .. I'm using 3rd Raikage Team (Ay,Samui and Omoi) with FireMain, and i can get streaks in SWB :D .. The Fire's Reflect passive gives the team to reflect 1 debuff to your opponent, and using Main's Genjutsu Mirror Guarding wisely can avoid further debuff (in case you get matched with someone who have 2 debuff ninja, like a Lightning Main using Sealing Slash with Masked Man) .. By using 2 specific Summons, even you get broken combos (when Ay didn't start combo and Samui did, and Omoi also did the half of your full combo that you can get if Ay started the combo), you will still inflict some control status (using Lightning Tiger and chase ... what is it, the chase like Asuma gives blind status, using Monkey King with Celestial Prison Chase makes Prison Status) .. Let's say, using 3rd Raikage Team needs a good timing for using skills .. (the options of when to use Genjutsu Mirror Guarding and the Shield Skill of Omoi) ..

3rd Ay team is good, but its nowhere near top tier teams right now. You may still go for it, but that seems reasonable only if you literally have no meta team at all. In other cases you are most likely better off going for top tier team. Also, pulling for roshi at any stage of the game is never a bad idea. His versatility is just too good. I've got most of meta teams except gnw super rares/newer event ninjas and I still successfully use roshi. Seals are time consuming to come by so if you already have some pieces of top tier teams, pulling 3rd Ay seems like a waste. But thats just my opinion.

But which treasure is the most worth it?

Ay 3rd, samui, omoi is a blitz team. Fire main not only do not give it any boost but does not even give it any real support. Yes the mirror is good but you are literally free food for any decent azure fang team that runs poison tai since you simply do not own the sufficient damage output to kill water main before round 4-5, to not talk about the shark bomb chaos delivering version (who cares if 1chaos get reflected back, every round you have 3 others character chaosed, 4 if the chaos is not reflected back to water main itself). You are also free food for any pure damage dealing lineups like, for example, your same lineup with crimson fist and darui or any actually used mb blitz team.

Ah, no .. Actually, you're wrong .. I'm talking about my experience as a Firemain user, running 3rd Raikage Team .. About fighting against Watermains that runs with Poison Tai and Crimson Fist with Darui and 3rd Raikage team or Blitz, yes with pure lightning blitz that has more power than me (10k more than me) will kill me but it's all about how you play your team .. The positioning of the ninjas are the key in battles sometimes, when my 3rd Raikage is aligned with my opponents mabui then its done .. but if not then the probability will go down to 30% winning and 70% of losing the battle, and with that 30%, it will rely on how you fight ..

I think you both have a good idea of why Ay [Third Raikage] is so strong, it works very well with a whole variation of mains xD I have seen and died to different variations so yeh, he is op. I would not discount any mains as it is based on your own individual play style.

~Jib

Don't forget, Fire Main can cause Tag which is extra damage for your 3rd Raikage!