A big thing is that Shisui can be bought with coupons. Never claimed that winning him in an RNG event made him F2P. I think the big thing is that a bunh of F2P players, told me to run Shisui. I wasn't originally going to run Shisui at all. But they explained it to me and I will side with them. Now saving 15k coupons isn't realistic for a F2P player? Why is it not realistic? Because it takes time? Because players * through their coupons like candy? I don't know the answer. But I can tell you that Dripsha saved 1k seal scrolls over the course of 6 months and pulled for a super rare in GNW. So I disagree that it can't be done. Because it can. Most players get impulsive and spend their coupons. Still doesn't change the fact that Shisui was obtainable with coupons, and is on many F2P players lineups. As always I respect your opinion my friend:) And I understand where you are coming from. But alas I will still disagree. You can save 15k coupons. But only if you really intend to.

F2P,P2W, these are terms that are very black and white. This community really needs to redefine what ninjas are classified as.

There are multiple levels of F2P, just as there are P2W.

The system I use for ranking is Treasure Ranking.

You could just as easily say for instances, Shisui costs around 16k so he would be under Super Rare(Super Rare costing between 10k-18k for event ninja)

You could post "SWB With only one Super Rare(Shisui)". , or better of just "SWB With Shisui + Common Ninja".

Good work on the video otherwise, keep up it up :)

EDIT: I would also like to say an event ninja to be defined as "F2P" would need to be out long enough for a "F2P" player to save up from scratch and buy. E.g some say F2P can get 3-4k coupons a month(from some thread a while ago) So before you could even say Shisui as a F2P ninja he should at least be out for 4 months - 16k coupons divided by 4k coupons a month. Even this wouldn't apply to major of the F2P population(which your video is aimed at stating the term F2P in this community).

As you can guess I hate this terminology as its so one-sided, and would love something more broad to be used. Besides that fact consider this as *ternative.

It's hard to define these ninjas because it's the mindset of the players that create different definitions. I always see events ninjas are typically p2w if you want the ninja instantly when they first appear in the server. Either the use of whale money/ignots or stockpile of coupons are ways to get it instant. Stockpile of coupons either requires players to, like you said, hold off on spending coupons but should require researching about future ninjas. There were a several f2ps that knew masked man and jonin minato were coming so they stockpiled.

After a given time of when the ninjas was introduced, how long it takes to stockpile and how much the ninja appears in events, then the event ninja can be available to all players should they put in the effort to get the ninja. I responded to a post about two months that ever since their appearance in the server, players can get at most, almost 40 frags. I got players responding that they didn't get at least one frag within the 3-4 month time-frame. If they put in the effort to piece them or chose power items instead of ninja frags, then disclose that information instead of trying to discredit the opportunities of getting free frags. One respondent even refused as to how it was possible and remained adamant on their views so it's up the player how they think.

The rare case is when event ninjas appear in RNG events. If a ninja was pulled for less than the lowest amount of an event ninja (3k typically) but the price of the ninja requires several months of saving, you cannot view that ninja as a f2p as you will mess up the definition as what event ninjas are, which is sad since I've seen several people on here define RNG ninjas like that. For example, Shisui. When he was first available, you could get him via RNG or by fragments. SInce his fragments was able for purchase, this means you know how much his full price and how long it should take to save.

We need a strong form of definitions for ninjas, the one where we have for treasures in there 60/30 seal scroll ninjas being regarded as "Rares". This definition is great and everyone uses it. It just needs to be move over to the event type of ninjas. That is why I made that page to try and get people away from these "P2W" or "F2P" ninjas as it comes with not only its own toxicity but confusion.

You need to also consider that large portion of new players are "F2P" and may not spend. These people may even take longer to acquire these "P2W" Ninja.

You raise some great points , thank you for your response :)

*, 2-3 people have Shisui and they claim that he's a f2p ninja? Holy *, wait till I tell the 50 f2p players on each server that they can magically get Shisui for free! O_O

I saw your * spending posts, so don't bother trying to "help" f2p players. You're far from knowing the best mentality for f2p. Or well, gtfo with your clickbait for views bs :)

is possible if you are able to succesfully plunder and run convoys every day, that means to know your enemies behaviour and the right time to run convoys.

85*30 = 2550

summon capture = 640

daily 60 minutes = 300

world boss = 300 (12 times 25)

monthly sign in = 200

those alone are 4000.

You have also to consider the quiz, the weekend activities, the coupons you get during events, the coupons you get in survival trial, the convoy and plunder licenses etc... those are easily 500-1000 more per month, and also the fact my calculations are on 4 weeks, while 1 month have usually 2-3 more days to get coupons (since are of 30 or or 31 days).

This kid dont know what F2p Ninjas is...sadlife !!

its not f2p team maybe just semi and also u had more power not all f2p will get that power on that lvl

because u had more power u should try team 7

like memo did :P

Is not realistic because if i'm f2p and i gather 15k coupons to buy shisui, once i've bought it, if i'm lucky, i'm 15k power and 1000 prompt move 1 initiative behind my f2p usual enemies that spent them in power, and so they continue to stomp on me even with my new shining shisui.

You can't do a comparison with hoarding scrolls, because with free draws you still get ninjas from those treasures every 4 months and you can still run old metas that even if aren't anymore competitive on par power are way competitive with a 10k+ power and initiative advantage.

Shisui is a ninja you can get the luxury to be SURE to get and run only if you are at least a low casher like me that just now sits at 100k+ power and at 20k+ total initiative and so can even think to skip 1-2 months of usual power up activities to get a relatively op ninja to fill in the meta lineup.

I could be remembering wrong, but wasn't 4th Ay in the fishing event a couple months ago? And can't you buy more fish using coupons?

I suppose he's a F2P ninja as well.

He not show often for coup event so nah but well if ure lucky u might get it on Kage treasure, well If You're realistic F2p u wont spend for That event , Most of the f2p with realistic mind will just go for both i mean Win win Situation . like Lucky board , Mission mobilize and other event that u can get worth thing / freebies . without that u will just get ninja and not power . soo u cant do much damage even u had super rare or exclusive ninja's

I agree, I was just trying to show how wrong the OP's logic is.

Leave shisui not being F2P alone....The power is just insane for level 81 xD

It's quite possible to get 8-10k coupons per month if you consider the weekly events(I.e. mount mob), weekend missions, tryharding to get a top score on fox, spinning the wheel daily, etc.. Still doesn't put a 15k+ ninja EVEN CLOSE to f2p. Maybe I'm just pulling the coupons out of my ass, who knows, but I'm just saying that it's possible. 15k could be used for a lvl 10 refine, which'll eventually result in beating the feces out of a Shisui.

f2p cant really get 8-10k per month even bfore 4.0 . its just around 3-6k back then. if work with oasis(GL,mod,Dev) that not count and might not call as pure f2p . after the 4.0 u might just get around 3-4k , also depend on how good u do on 9 tails (top1-3 + Killer) every times and how many u get for the plunder/convoy book might be more .