1. If it doesn't work, game like this won't be made. It obviously does "work" for the company, that is to say it is profitable. That is not to say there are no problem with the model, there certainly is. For starters, it bleed players much faster than a game that isn't ptw, both those who are "oppressed" and those who have tried, spending large amount in the process, but failed to reach the top. I could go into details as to why this model works despite the player bleeding, but I would expect any such exposition to be modded so I digress. Just know that it is not particularly customer friendly but is profitable for the companies, so you are operating under false impression--they are not aiming for what you think they are.

2. To be fair, dodging are becoming increasingly absolute. So.... Also to be fair, randomness is not an issue when law of large number goes into effect. 8 gate, for example, is relatively stable due to the low per-use cost, thus resulting in literally hundreds of thousands of proc if not more. As a result, 8 gate is not actually all that luck dependent even thou it is RNG. The problem with RNG lies when the entrance cost is high, chance is limited and/or "top" prize extremely rare. This means there is little to no chance for law of large number to properly kick in and equalize the chances. So luck/RNG is not the fundamental problem per-say, but rather how it's used. This game mostly offends people due to its bad RNG implementation on ptw events (and lack of objective evidence to counter the "rigged" claims)

3. Oasis doesn't have access to the code, weekly changes are entirely unreasonable for the license model this game operate under. While I agree faster patch pace would be nice, what you are asking for is entirely unrealistic. There are other issues with your logic, but this alone will suffice

4. It's not as easy as you might think. While I want creativity over power creep as much as you do and I can't say if tencent is trying particularly hard, there is really a soft limit to how far creativity can go. So in reality, there will always be power creep, just a matter of the rate. More creativity can stretch out each "cycle" longer, but once they have exhausted that, hello creep.

5. Actually, in addition to potential "latency" as usually considered as internet problem there is the additional constrict of flash rendering speed. But barring all those, that is to say you got a good machine that can render optimally and internet that have no delay, there is still a problem: chase. Specifically, the server side does not wait on a chase attack more than it does if the attack have no chase. So as soon as a reasonably long chase occur, client side fall behind by the amount of time it took for the chase to resolve. This would require some kind of code fix to resolve and certainly should be a priority. For the moment however, you can somewhat play around this by knowing the fact that the delay is not random but rather deterministic. That said, no amount of software can account for actual latency nor should a player be expected to wait on another player because the other player lags. So as far as delay caused by actual lag goes, aside from optimization to reduce lag, nothing should be done.

Ofc people who p2w are going to benefit more from the game. The problem I have with it is that rare ninja in this game are way too expensive. I almost feel like they would make more money by lowering prices on ninja and some other things because then some people (including me) could get past the "Why would I spend $600+ on 1 ninja in a browser game" and starting doing a bunch of smaller microtransactions to get multiple ninjas. I feel like a lot more people would spend and the game would be a bit more fair if prices were lowered. A lot of f2p people feel overwhelmed by these prices when they are trying to piece out a ninja from events and can only get maybe 5 frags max per event and that ninja may only show up once or twice a month in events. More people would stay then and merges wouldn't have to happen so often.

There is somewhat of a wall once you get so high in magatamas/rune stones etc, but they have been releasing more power options like Myoboku cult and summon cult. China has more way to power up that we should eventually get.

I do agree that the latency issue is a bit of a problem. I don't like how the game resumes after a few hits of a chase and leaves you not able to cast a prompt skill before a couple standards go off. I understand latency being a problem, but there should be some kind of fix for the chase issue since it's not latency, it's just the game resuming while you are left waiting.

Without pay to win , there won't be f2p. Someone has to pay for servers and staff...not to mention royalties they have to pay for Naruto creator. Would be nice they add those 100 coupons thing they have in China. Small spenders could benefit. Agree with everything except points 1 and 4. They have been giving away lot of ninja frags for free ( minato jonin and masked man) and spenders had to spend 20k to get each ninja. So they are not biased.

You really wanna go back to the P2W vs F2P debate?

I don't think that's a good idea mate. If you really want to try and convince me that F2Ps' existence in the game is dependent on P2Ws, do it in a Private Message and not here. I don't want to clog up the forums with more of that.

Anyways, we're digressing. I don't have much to say here except on the powercreep. I don't mind powercreep as long as it doesn't COMPLETELY INVALIDATE any specific character who I want to play. If I wanna invest in Sakon and Ukon, it shouldn't be a total waste and they shouldn't be completely outclassed by some other Edo Tensei guy who got like 5 pages worth of action.

Powercreep is kinda necessary to keep the game interesting, however. Sure, creativity is cool. But creativity with a drop of powercreep can be interesting – just take a look at the "Fanmade future ninja talentsets" thread in the Fanfiction section. Some of the super powercreepy fanmade characters there are actually quite creative.

you forgot the the "Events" hahaha

You are special kind of *, aren't you? People are dumb and this game is a gambling game, people WILL spend money because dumb sheep are all around in this game, and it works for the company, they don't care otherwise, they push to * that money out of you, it's called marketing strategy, which you can't see obviously what is actually going on here. They on purpose are making pay to win and people fall for it more and more. How they do it? They simply create GL's, those are players that are in-game under NDA, they can't tell anyone openly that he is the GL in that server, he is like a secret spy for OG so to say, they have to report stuff, but that's just a curtain to the actual reason why GL exist, they are given huge boosts in everything, making them really strong, either they are being paid or given tons of coupons and ingots, and their task is to participate in events, and that GL without doubt will have the latest premium ninja's, he will gain them from events so that others can see how strong he becomes, he creates this sense in others that you are weak without investing, they make it really hard for a free to play player by making less free events and more competing pay to win events where each whale spends tons of money to overcome the other, and those are no-life players that have nowhere to put their money but in the game, and on that the company is earning.

People are just *, and marketing team is exploiting and abusing this to gain easy profit. Personally pay to win strategy is abusive and game breaking. You are only a winner, metaphorically, if you stay free to play player. Of course, you can still beat a lot of players by being free to play, but they make it hard for you, you need to be smart about how you use your resources, you need to be patient and so on. But imo, pay to win at this kind of extreme level is bull* and I am not supporting it, I haven't invested a cent.

P.S. They are pretty smart about making players stay with these daily events that if you skip, can actually ruin your character quite a bit, so it's hard to stay free to play. Basically pay to win doesn't work, but they pu* to work by creating these daily events and a reason to stay, otherwise, if you quit for whatever the reason and you will want to come back later, you are *ed, and better stay out of this game.

And to reply on the original comment, whoever runs this game in marketing is a real d1ck and piece of sh1t, so they wont change anything you implied, but worth to create the awareness.

I agree. $600 for one ninja makes me want to vomit, but I take a weird pleasure in the horror my non-player friends express when I describe this sort of situation to them.

Okay, calling him names is not gonna make your argument any more convincing.

From my perspective, the general problem with P2W games is that they lack permanence. What happens when a whale is forced to quit the game from real-life things? Back in the day when the game was young, I saw a handful of my server's whales quit because of real life issues; things like divorces, new jobs, et cetera.

So who's going to replace them? The F2Ps all the way down at the bottom of the barrel? Do they seriously believe that, with the huge money gap that's already between them and the P2Ws, that it'll be worth spending to try and catch up? Even when the remaining P2Ws are still spending and widening that gap?

The reason people pay is either to dominate others or to catch up to others. Once people realize that neither of these things are permanent, that this will get nowhere they lose faith and stop spending. Once the pay-to-free gap is so large that none of the F2Ps even stand a chance, even if they dump their entire life savings into the game, that's the point where the game starts to fail.

...Well, that's the idea at least. Yes, you are correct in that there will always be that group of people who pays no matter what, maybe they're spontaneous or lack self control or something like that. The devs might murk up or hide the fact that no amount of catchup will make up for the gap, and as a result people will still pay. I dunno really.

...You know, I kinda lost track of the point I was trying to make with this. Oh well.

You need to learn to read.

Nowhere did I say there is no problem with the game. I just said it works for the company, which is contrary to what the OP said. And based on your post, you agree with me (thou you don't quite know the full picture) that the game is NOT "working" because it's a good game. You haven't made a single statement that's actually contrary to what I said.

And no, GLs do not have NDA like you said. They are allowed to but not required to disclose their status. And many have, including some of the youtubers. Fact check plz

For every problem that is "too difficult to solve", there are examples of other developers who have somehow managed to pull it off, often times many years in the past that can be easily referenced.

I'm not blaming anybody, but it is what it is.

You tell your friends that don't play about this game and the prices? I would be way too embarrassed to do that lmao! They would probably send me to counseling.

Hm, i dont inderstand this./..

Then don't comment and bring up an old post. Mods can you close the post so people like this don't bring up old posts?