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On 2017-09-15 21:32:39Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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I was fighting someone in arena(p2w) and used mystery from top first row but I still got second while he used from the middle row in middle with susanoo sasuke,is there a hidden ability that he always go first or else I cant understand such bs.

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On 2017-09-15 21:50:11Show this Author Only
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Its based on turn number (the action number in your ninja team) and initiative.

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On 2017-09-15 21:51:36Show this Author Only
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  • Exvius On 2017-09-15 21:50:11
  • Its based on turn number (the action number in your ninja team) and initiative.

I know,anyway thought arena was supposed to be balanced not bs.

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On 2017-09-15 22:52:06Show this Author Only
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maybe you hit the mystery *on in the middle of the chase, or maybe you are using non prompt mystery





This post was last edited by whitecloud@gmai on 2017-09-15 22:52:51.
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On 2017-09-16 00:42:23Show this Author Only
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From what I noticed, placement does matter, however if a ninja has a lot more initiative than your position 1, it can bypass (in terms of mysteries at least) placement.

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On 2017-09-16 01:33:35Show this Author Only
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Say the fields are set up as so:

Your Team

** Move3 Move 1

** Move4 Move 2

** ** **

Opponent(visualize this as being across from you)

** ** **

Move1 Move2 Move3

** ** Move 4

Now if you activated your mystery from your Move1 and they used Move1 the only thing that would take precedence is Initiative. SO if your opponent is faster he'll go first. Columns and rows don't mater...that only plays into a particular strategy. Now say you activated your mystery from your Move 1 and they for some reason had Sasuke In Move2 they only things that would stop you from going are: 1). Your myst is a non prompt meaning you'll have to wait until people cycle through their standards. 2) Terrible luck, or a timeout which lagged you out and caused a delay in using your myst. Aside from that, generally speaking initiative always wins if mysteries are triggered from the same Move slot.






This post was last edited by veelocity on 2017-09-16 01:37:40.
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On 2017-09-16 02:48:16Show this Author Only
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  • veelocity On 2017-09-16 01:33:35
  • Say the fields are set up as so:

    Your Team

    ** Move3 Move 1

    ** Move4 Move 2

    ** ** **

    Opponent(visualize this as being across from you)

    ** ** **

    Move1 Move2 Move3

    ** ** Move 4

    Now if you activated your mystery from your Move1 and they used Move1 the only thing that would take precedence is Initiative. SO if your opponent is faster he'll go first. Columns and rows don't mater...that only plays into a particular strategy. Now say you activated your mystery from your Move 1 and they for some reason had Sasuke In Move2 they only things that would stop you from going are: 1). Your myst is a non prompt meaning you'll have to wait until people cycle through their standards. 2) Terrible luck, or a timeout which lagged you out and caused a delay in using your myst. Aside from that, generally speaking initiative always wins if mysteries are triggered from the same Move slot.



ik rows matters a lot,more than initiative so i'm guessing his ini was p2w level

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On 2017-09-16 03:58:53Show this Author Only
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No, row and column does NOTHING whatsoever, only move number and then initiative.

Comparing two prompt mystery where neither side is slowed (I mean the debuff), if one is move 1 the other is move 2, even if move 1 have 0 init and the move 2 have 1935832958329853295832 init, the move 1 will act first.


row and column do NOT matter, at all.

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On 2017-09-16 12:42:15Show this Author Only
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Wet, you need to erase the phrase "p2w" from your mind, it's stopping you from learning to get better at the game because that's all you focus on.

As Luka said Row/column doesn't really matter.

All that matters is action priority. 1, 2, 3, 4.

priority

If I move Mabui up one spot, she'll still be 1st, if I move her foward 1 spot, she'll still be first. If I have more initiative on all 4 team members than my enemy, then my team will only go before the characters in an equal priority slot or lower, Tenten with HIGHER initiative will go before the enemy 2nd, 3rd and 4th team members, not the 1st, no matter how high her initiative. The exception to this is non prompt mysteries which instead take the place of a standard attack, which means since Tenten is a Prompt she will go first before non prompt mysteries.

When it comes to Prompt VS Prompt, you can't go first before a character that is in a higher priority slot, which technically does work based on columns and rows, the only way Tenten in this picture can become Priority 1 is by moving her above Mabui on the same column or forward in front of Mabui. There's a rare situation where if you kill someone and erase them from the fight entirely (Such as by killing them with Beheading Kakashi or Mabui's mystery) then the rest of the team will move up in priority, if my Mabui gets erased, Tenten becomes Priority 1 Mid fight and can start going first with my MC and Mei also moving up a priority slot.

I hope this helps clears things up, Ninja Stars and Initiative do matter in Arena.





This post was last edited by Immortal Utsuro on 2017-09-16 12:42:32.
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  • Immortal Utsuro On 2017-09-16 12:42:15
  • Wet, you need to erase the phrase "p2w" from your mind, it's stopping you from learning to get better at the game because that's all you focus on.

    As Luka said Row/column doesn't really matter.

    All that matters is action priority. 1, 2, 3, 4.

    priority

    If I move Mabui up one spot, she'll still be 1st, if I move her foward 1 spot, she'll still be first. If I have more initiative on all 4 team members than my enemy, then my team will only go before the characters in an equal priority slot or lower, Tenten with HIGHER initiative will go before the enemy 2nd, 3rd and 4th team members, not the 1st, no matter how high her initiative. The exception to this is non prompt mysteries which instead take the place of a standard attack, which means since Tenten is a Prompt she will go first before non prompt mysteries.

    When it comes to Prompt VS Prompt, you can't go first before a character that is in a higher priority slot, which technically does work based on columns and rows, the only way Tenten in this picture can become Priority 1 is by moving her above Mabui on the same column or forward in front of Mabui. There's a rare situation where if you kill someone and erase them from the fight entirely (Such as by killing them with Beheading Kakashi or Mabui's mystery) then the rest of the team will move up in priority, if my Mabui gets erased, Tenten becomes Priority 1 Mid fight and can start going first with my MC and Mei also moving up a priority slot.

    I hope this helps clears things up, Ninja Stars and Initiative do matter in Arena.


does his picture depicts that you can talk to him rationally? XD his picture sums up his attitude

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On 2017-09-16 13:05:15Show this Author Only
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I mean I would like to think so, if this doesn't bring about improvement then I don't know what would. It reminds me somewhat of an odd breed of player I've encountered a few times who get stuck on the "p2w" phrase and use that as an excuse to never get better at the game and ignore pretty much any advice given to them that would hugely improve their enjoyment of the game and bring about success. Every single thing they say is in somewhat referring to or about "p2w" player and they absolutely never improve and they'll have some crazy low power like 28k at level 80 with the mindset that only p2w players could get higher than that.

At some point you just give up on them and let them wallow in failure while a lot of other free players who manage to hit like 80k power at level 95 and have a majority of all the good banner Ninjas get to enjoy success.


There's some real dodgy stuff in this game geared towards spending players but it's far from impossible to over come, it just takes time and some smart resource saving/spending. That's it really.





This post was last edited by Immortal Utsuro on 2017-09-16 13:08:12.
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  • Reawr On 2017-09-16 02:48:16
  • ik rows matters a lot,more than initiative so i'm guessing his ini was p2w level

You may have misunderstood my post or I phrased it wrong. But rows and columns DON'T affect anything all. Only thing that matters in who goes first is Move slot and initiative in those slots. Your team comp will trump initiative anyday. Theres people who pay in this game and are god awful at strategizing. Don't get stuck in that frame of mind. That because someone pays they're perceived as a public enemy and unkillable. Play smart. Most things in this game are obtainable by any player. Its just about how you use your resources.


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On 2017-09-16 17:09:18Show this Author Only
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If His INITIATIVE IS too much higher , i believe it will

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