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On 2017-09-12 06:35:58Show All Posts
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Since the advent of this convoy system (2.0?) there have been less than 5 cases where I was unable to get an SS. Half of those was due to me opting not to take an SS when offered during a time period where I know I might be plundered.

For the record, I get, on average, ~12 refreshes per day. Roughly 6-7 during the night session, and 2-4 during noon session (sometimes the full 6-7) plus the 2 free manual refreshes. So your result might be better or worse if you can get more or less than that amount of refresh.


The thing is, while I get SS when I want vast majority of time, I do have trouble getting all max value S. In fact, I only get 3 of those about 70% of the time. Every week, for a day or two, I end up being one short. If SS is guaranteed on every refresh, then there would be fewer S, and by extension, less max value S. So while I might gain 100 more coupon, over the course of the 6 months, I would be missing out maybe 5-10m coins. It's hard to say which is more valuable due to lack of easy conversion.


Of course, if all you ant is guaranteed SS on the two manual refresh, then that might work better. That should have relatively little impact on the coin income, maybe 1-2m only, probably worth giving up for 100 coupon.

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On 2017-09-13 02:55:56Show All Posts
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  • Lycan Von Wolf On 2017-09-13 02:41:55
  • not true multiplie times in a row it has happened to people in my group some even spending coupons to refresh because they have work and cant sit around all day waiting

The problem there lies in the "cant sit around all day waiting"

Out of the 16 free refreshes daily, how many do they get?

Getting no SS out of the 16 is, frankly, a once in 3-6 month event.

You can't blame the game for stuff that are there but player can't take advantage of.

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On 2017-09-13 07:52:34Show All Posts
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You people say it like you have to intensely stare at the screen for the entire time period. That simply isn't true (well, not if you do convoy, plunderers do, assuming they aren't cheating).

You only need to check the thing once every 30 min--you need exact times if you only open the page at that time, you have up to 30 min of leeway if you just keep it open on a tab somewhere. So in reality, you could get all the refreshes in with less than 20 min of staring at the game, less than 5 if you are good at keeping track of time.

(This is why i get screams of "y u no support me, u onlinez!" all the time in game.... because I'm afk...)


Then you need to realize that this is a ftp/ptw game. And part of the feature of such a game is that getting everything that is offered for free is hard, it takes a lot of work. Because if you can't make it, you are expected to catch up with $$. So you have a job, great! You can't afford to play the game as much as you want, but the income you get from doing the job will more than make up for it!

Not saying that people should pay, I don't, but the fact of the matter is you can. And therefore, it's ok to have stuff being challenging because there are options.

To do well in the game, you either have to spend time+effort or money. Don't be spoiled and expect everything to be handed to you.

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On 2017-09-13 12:16:22Show All Posts
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I'll make you a counter proposal. You get guaranteed SS on your 16th refresh of the day if you haven't gotten any yet.

You can get that for free, it takes a bit of effort, can you live with that?

Fact of the matter is, if you get 16 refresh, you have an over 99.9% chance of getting an SS. So this won't be a huge change anyway.

You know what I have a problem with? I have a problem with people expecting to get them without putting in the effort of even getting 10 refreshes, which would drop their chance to maybe 95% or even less (if refresh count is lower). They expect to NOT put in the effort and STILL get the stuff. That's what I have an issue with.

If you do put in the effort, by all means, you should get it.

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On 2017-09-14 02:50:00Show All Posts
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2017-09-13 20:01:16
  • To be fair, there is no effort involved when waiting to do an SS Convoy.

    You either sit there for hours, or you check back every 30 minutes while doing something else.

Well, that is some effort. Thou I agree that it's not much.

The thing is, some of those people are asking for hand outs when they can't even put in this much. That's just flat out entitlement.

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On 2017-09-15 06:26:53Show All Posts
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I am a "top dog" in my server(ranked 2nd in power), but I never plunder, never even once.


And yes, you are asking for hand outs. While you are not asking for more, you are asking to get the reward for less work. How would you feel if someone joins your server, press a *on, do not need to spend a cent and instantly have the same power etc as the strongest ftp in your server (which might be you, or might be stronger than you). I mean he COULD HAVE joined at the same time as that person and did everything they did and thus could have gotten all that for free, he's not getting any thing extra. All he is getting is the same stuff for less work.

See the problem?


The model of the game is input -> output

The input can be effort, time or money. The output is power (or resources that you c*e for power)

What you are asking for is less input for the same output, or if we compare with what you get now, same input for more output.

That is most certainly asking for handout.


I've played for over a year, so well before 2.0 came out. I've convoyed everyday since 2.0 came out. And of all that time, there have only been 2 or 3 times where I didn't even see a SS in the day. And I'm fairly certain that at least one of those are on days where I missed a large chunk of the noon session and tbh I usually can't get the full 16, only 10-14. So quite frankly, if you put in the maximal input as far as convoy goes, you will be almost guaranteed an SS (99.9%+).


Attaching guaranteed SS to the free refresh would be reasonable, but I was thinking about the unfortunate 0.1% when I thought that. Now that I know there are those who expect handout, I'm going to attach a "12th refresh" minimal clause on that--you don't get a guarantee until your 12th refresh (I would say 16, but that would be rather unrealistic)

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