please tell me how to blitz someone with 13k resistance 9k def and 25k health when they sit behind a roshi with 22k health and 8k resistance/defense?

even lightning main critting 4 times only does about 16k damage against the roshi, then roshi heals 2k so hes at 10k hp, then lets say ur lucky and u kill the roshi turn 1 with ur combo and all ur damage, ur now out of damage for turn 2, and u killed his squishy ninja plus u have no hard cc to stop his 2 aoe heals, so after ur next combo gets triggered he heals to full and uve wasted everything round 2 just to burn a heal mystery, round 3 ur down root at least so now he starts using poison tai on u as well so the countdown begins until ur dead since poison ticks about 1500 with 1 stack from sakura.

even using a combo round 3 ur not going to do more than burn the 2nd heal myst but that hokage tsunade is probably going to cc something anyway so u cant actualy use a full combo if u even get ur myst off in the first place. round 4 u c*e ur full combo again but ur barrier buff is now gone so u lose another 40% damage and ur darui hits 1 time less so ur not able to deal as much damage as u did turn 1 and u cant kill that water main., and now that u cant kill the water main or sakura u lose to poison stacks ticking away for 8k, which there is no way to outheal as blitz.

now for that idea of control, tell me how can it be done without susano itachi? masked man, hokage tsunade, wind main and lets say mei(insert any mystery with a combo start that u c*e to trigger masked man chase, mei just has aoe and ignite for better damage), u cc 1 at the end of round 1 with masked man, then u can cc another at the start of round 2 with tsunade and then u reset so u can masked man the third healer, next round u can re cc 2 people with tsunade and mei if your wind main has the chakra regen passive. but then the 3rd healer unlocks them all and they go back to full and u lose once they start chaosing tsunade and poison gets to kill u.

lets say its a 2 heal team not 3, lets use the numbers from the person i mentioned already(hes on s2 if u want to come and check that im not exagerating). so u masked man and tsunade for healers to be ccd round 2 just like b4 and standards do there damage, tsunade hits for 4k combo hits for another ~3k, so the water main is at 18k, round 3 mei starts combo to cc wm doing lets say another 6k total so wm down to 12k u reset and sakura gets stunned by masked man, ignite ticks so wm at 10k, mei goes again thanks to reset and tsunade hits her as well but because barrier is gone ur down damage, so now u hit 40% less and can only do about 8k and sakura didnt get stunned so wm lives with 2k sakura cleanses everything, water main uses myst to heal for 4k, wm standards for another 3k, sakura standard for another 2k, so now water main is at 11k and the other 3 are at full, while all of your mysteries are on cd. next turn u can reset them all, but its not enough to kill that water main even if u go all out again so sakura will cleanse her and she will cleanse herself as well, then next turn on she heals while u can do anything more than annoy her.

so the only way to beat 2 healer cancer team is with susano itachi, an ultra rare ninja that costs $1200 if u just buy his frags from events(800 per frag from shinobi feast * 80 frags) and even then u need to be able to chain cc every round which either means itachi with another cc and wind main, or itachi with 2 other people who can cc, then u go to 3 healer teams, then u need wind main with itachi and another cc, then if they do 3 heas and a cleanse(like gakido) u need every nija on ur team to cc plus wind main to reset those cc and then u have to be strong enough to kill them b4 they get a chance to cleanse, but if they r faster than u there is no way for u to win.

the damage numbers are based off of what i do with 115k power against actual people on server 2, my fire main has 14k attack, 17k ninjutsu, my susano itachi has 17k attack 12k ninjutsu, my mei has 12.5k attack 15k ninjutsu, hokage tsunade has 13.5k attack 12.8k ninjutsu.

thats kinda the point, nothing realy works besides another healer team. the game shouldnt force everyone to play the same team to win even when i have a 15%+ power advantage over the other person. yes i can mirror the double heal team and win because round 10 i can nuke him harder than he nukes me, but whats the point of the other 9 rounds if only round 10 matters? whats the point of having 10 rounds? they should just give us 100 chakra and no battlefield cd and say whoever can nukes harder wins, that would be more fun than waiting 9 rounds to do the same thing.

i dont run blitz, i've never been lightning on the na servers either. i didnt complain about lightning because it was actualy balanced and i knew with time it was going to get weaker, even back in 1.0 lightning blitz was a thing, the easy counter was wind main with iruka to shield clones and eat the blitz, hell naruto with iruka used to work(probably still does considering 4k+ iruka shields). now there is an easier counter to blitz teams, its called han, and he works well vs more than just blitz because of his dodge and super armor hes *l around excellent tank in any scenario. hell, even without han lightning blitz cant beat me since i win barrier and run tsunade so i can survive and start cc locking them the next round

water cancer isnt a counter to lightning blitz, its a counter to EVERYTHING. if it just countered lightning blitz i would say it was fine, i wouldnt care, but it counters everything besides other water cancer teams. im the highest power on s2, but healers heal more than i can hit for when i crit with a mystery, crits are chance heals are static.

my current team tries to control heal teams, but vs 3 healers there isnt enough control to go around for long enough to kill things even with my susano itachi and hokage tsunade. if they run 3 heals and a gakido then there is no way to out control them so u have to just nuke them to death(which requires a huge power advantage) or play another cancer team to out survive them, which if u have to play a copy of a team to counter that team its not balanced its op.

all of you who cried over lightning saying it was op just couldnt figure out a team we used back in 1.0 to survive it, as fire b4 tobi became the norm i used naruto and iruka to survive lightning blitz teams just like every1 else, in 2.0 i didnt need them once i won the barrier, because our health pools have increased so much that blitz has a hard time killing anything of mine turn 1 without that extra 40% damage. when i lost the barrier i had a manual barrier team i used to reduce lightning blitz damage.

there were many counters to lightning blitz that werent op. all of u people playing water cancer r just crying that you cant win without having something op to use and ur being sure to abuse it as much as u can b4 its nerfed, which if u look at the cn version water was nerfed in a few ways, so congratz u c*e an op team, when it gets nerfed ill be sure to look for all of u in swb and any other cross server event and we can see how good u realy are :)

pls come to server 2 so u can see how wrong u r, the main tank for some of these teams is just a meat shield to protect the wm who has 25k hp, using all ur damage just to kill the meat shield does not mean u will win, when the main damage is poison and the 2 healers r the only things they need to stay alive killing a meat shield is pointless

it feels like u guys ran out of ways to counter me so now ur just trying to insult me,

@kanbe, whoever u r, i kicked people from my group who quit the game, dont see how thats a problem or ur concern.

@karissaa, most of the people who can beat me as water main dont like playing it, but the list includes, all of our top 6(excluding me, hard to beat myself) when they do choose to go water as well as others like dien(who quit water because he doesnt like it even though it gave him a win against mystic). also dont try to talk like you arent water trying to prevent it from being nerfed. Im not lying and you know it and i actualy can beat people who spent more money, i wont deny that i win alot, i also wont lie about the fact that ive lost track of the amount of people who went water to counter water teams and switched back because they dont like water cancer(like genova)

i dont want to nerf a class that i cant beat, i want to nerf a class that has no real counter, just like you wanted fire nerfed back when it was op cause u couldnt beat it without being fire, so dont go telling me off when you did the same stuff ur complaining about.

besides i already KNOW water gets nerfed, if you pay attention to the cn servers you can see it gets nerfed multiple ways. tencent already knows water is op, so i dont know what you're talking about here, cause if water wasnt op it wouldnt be getting a nerf to its healing, the fact that tencent did nerf its healing proves it is op, i just want it nerfed sooner. but i will be happy to wait, and when its nerfed u will leave for the next op thing u can find, and i will be able to beat u in all the events with ease because u wont have an op class keeping u alive.

@Kayumityikki, the lightning main team loses even when it has 30k more power, my spacetime bracket saw that a few months ago, water can skewer and chaos the hidan forever so its constantly killing itself(or it just needs to wait for round 3 and then it can chaos without skewer, karissaa proved that as well a month or 2 before dien won), the han/roshi/hanzo team also doesnt work, han doesnt help at all, water mains will wait till the end of turn 2 and chaos hanzo or fire main then turn 3 chaos the other and poison will likely tick so hard in that small window that hanzo and fire main cant come back from it so 2 or 3 turns later even when using shield it dies to poison

i can complain while waiting cant i? they aren't mutually exclusive. y r u guys complaining so much about me wanting water to finaly get nerfed?

its going to come before the end of the year at this rate, i wouldnt call that a long time.

@molds, he survived to 10 rounds cause i messed up multiple times, i kinda didnt realy care too much since he didnt have the damage to beat me and his total health was lower so i could have went afk without auto and still won. dont know y u guys think using earth main sailor sakura and gakido and going 10 rounds is something amazing anyway, its a tank team its meant to live long, and its not op, it trades living a long time for not dealing damage, thats called balance.

i didnt have a problem beating him, it just took a while cause of shields and heals, 8k shields from gakido 4k shields from earth main, and all of sakuras heals add up to a long fight, not a hard one, thats y i had full heal when i won

uhm all i can do is bring up the past, cause im not fighting them right now so they aren't beating me right now. your comprehension of the english language is apparently rather lacking. since fire was nerfed with 3.0 and water didn't change much if they could beat me pre 3.0 they can beat me now too. 3.0 has been out for over a month now, dien won the space time before last, and its not like any talents changed with 3.0 for water besides the levels to unlock them, lightning got a buff to a talent no-one uses anyway so I don't know what you think would change there. and as i said before, most of the people can't beat me with their normal teams and they don't like playing water(like genova) but when they change to water they will beat me, i'm starting to question whether you are actually reading anything i say, or if its that you simply are not capable of understanding.

there is a list of changes with 3.0, its mostly cosmetic changes, https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-22552-1.html, there is nothing that would make fire be able to win now when it couldn't before.

mystic had susano itachi before 3.0, so i don't know what your talking about there, just like multiple people from our server also had him pre 3.0 and didn't use him long after getting him.

i'm not the one lying, your the one lying to everyone, probably including yourself. if someone uses earth main, or lightning main, or wind main, or fire main and beats me, i'm fine with it, i didn't like that i lost to mysticblade last spacetime but i accepted it and he deserved the win. before watarutamura slowed down how much he played and he beat me i accepted it without coming onto the forums like you saying "NERF LIGHTNING ITS OP!!!", cause i knew he won because he had a better team and outplayed me, not because lightning was op. you are the one who complains that you can't win when you think you should, you did it with fire main, you did it with lightning main, and if you didn't have the ninjas to use an op water lineup you would be doing it with water main too. please stop lying,

i can go find you videos showing the differences between our water and the cn water mains if you want definitive proof that it gets nerfed, and what other reason would they nerf it for other than it being over powered? please accept facts, you are using a main which is over powered, you keep trying to hide and ly to everyone, but you need to accept the truth, its because you can't accept the truth that i got annoyed and blacklisted you in game, please grow up and start to live in the real world.

are you mad? are you mad that your going to be nerfed cause your class is overpowered? your post is just screaming how mad you are about the incoming water nerf. you can't refute my words so you and hag keep trying to attack me. i'll be the bigger man now and ignore you again, your not worth the time to try and teach, i hope that someday you can see reality since your too blinded by your own desire to be powerful on a game on the internet to see it now.

good day.