Well to me not many benefit with high level and you will not suffer after all. To me level up to fast its not even smart mate.

Well about sage isn't worth??? Of course it was worth mate since you will get seal scroll and others reward.

Fighting matsuri actually benefits power and level??? That was true but fighting matsuri actually is easier for higher level??? Its not true, you will meet level 95 with 90k power or more at the end game(if you are f2p it will be hard for you and if you are f2p you will be become a punchbag).

"But things like Ninja Exam give you a constant stream of value that adds up over time. Incremental advantages is what it's all about." Who said you cant beat that??? I'm still low level but already fini* until 180.

Group summons and 9 Tails? Higher levels??? Big NO, like i said i am still at low level. Im still in the top ten with nine tails with out hokage support and jonin medal. Group summon, i'm still in the top five while top three power still in my group.

Decent chance your Group is less inclined to give you best rewards for Great Ninja War??? It was up to your group leader mate. If your group leader is a wise person, all people in your group will get the pack equally for join the war.

For convoy is very benefit if anyone don't plunder you you can get the maximum reward 35 coupon everyday which mean 35*30 = 1050 coupons, if no one plunder you. This is the reason i say you need to be smart (smart to survive from plunderer).

"But, you know what? None of that really even matters because at the end of the game we shouldn't even be talking about whether or not it's possible to work around the plunder system in the same conversation we're discussing whether or not it's good game design. Because games that encourage people NOT TO PLAY THE GAME (which sandbagging does, if you consider "the game" to be in large part story mode like many would) are flawed in some aspect." But you know what??? you are the one who make THAT game design(which actually a play style) not oasis. People who play this have their own personality, who like to win, who just to have fun, who just love naruto, etc. And I PLAY LIKE I WANT TO, NOT YOU WHO DECIDE THAT even oasis cant decide that so you cant say "you must follow my play-style" and i still continue the story too even i late.

You suggesting people need to become high level (which I think you're wrong about, but whatever) and "That's just very simple principles of game design" you even don't know what are you talking about. You talking about play style not game design mate. Game design is like the system of the game, example if naruto sage chase repulse and cause knockdown, you need ninja that chase knockdown to continue the combo but you talk how to play, its not game design.

It's kinda simple: Sage can trick you into thinking you're doing well because your power relative to others your level outside of your server seems to be good.

Your power outside of your server means almost nothing at all though.

What really matters is your power relative to others in your server(s).

Sandbagging your levels is much more likely to allow those in your server(s) to increase their power relative to your own and is, thusly, mostly not a good idea. It's basically THAT simple.

...but even so, the point about none of that even mattering insofar as good or bad game design is concerned finds all of that immaterial. The only reason it isn't actually "bad game design" is because the model of the game is NOT for a great game experience for all of its players. As a "free to play game" the model for the game changes and all they really care about is best way to try and increase revenue. The plunder system is actually around in large part because it DOES discourage F2P players!

(meanwhile, increasing level helps unlock things that increase power as well - like equipment upgrades, ninja awakenings and cultivations, 8 gates spots, ninja tools you can wear - and all of that helps go further in the game and do things like better TIs and everything else... and if you're ever keeping your level down and it's stopping you from having enough power to get MORE POWER in the game then all of those losses can ac*ulate over time and snowball effect in a negative manner, in the same way that increased power (which levels can help with) can snowball effect in to even more power over a period of time).

Telling people to keep their levels lower than they could is very much telling people that they should have less power. It is absurd that your "solution" is to tell people they should sacrifice power just in order to not be plundered... for what? For a few extra coupons to TRY and buy back the power they have been losing just because they're sandbagging?

A lot of the players I have seen are saying how "free" players can not have anything in the game without plunder. Well what about paying players who are getting mashed because they cannot keep up with a guy who earns 150 coupons a day - approximately 4500 coupons a month for nothing, often not even earned by legitimate means.

Paying players need to be given priority, even if they are low power guys who just want to collect all the ninjas and play once or twice a day, they are the ones paying to keep this game running not the guys who have got to 70-80k power purely off exploiting every game mechanic and putting nothing back.

I reckon if coupon plunders disappeared overnight, within a couple of months we would see a drastic change in the order of power in almost all servers.

It is a fact you cannot compete without that 4500 coupons a month, because there other players are doing it. Therefore it is the norm to plunder if you want to compete with them.

Conversely, if you do not plunder, then assuming you do not get plundered, you get 35 X 30 = 1050 coupons. Over a period of 6 months, the plunderer has 3450 X 6 = 20700 coupons more than you. Imagine what you could buy with that.

The conclusion is that you need to plunder to compete as a F2p or even moderate spender.

Your next point on removing coupon plunders isn't that bad a thing as it levels the playing field. However, plunders are an added incentive for being strong and if that were removed, then there is less incentive for players to recharge.

It's the law of the jungle, plunder or be plundered. Only the strongest will survive the culling of the weak and enter into a merger months after their server is dead.

Scrap your #1, bro. Running after convoy-accepting timeframe is over is not a counter to plunder. How do you know somebody is stalking you at THAT moment in order to spite them? Remember, plunder can only see their targets after they have set off.

I do think that half of this saltiness would stop if the losing penalty for SS class convoys is 20%, the same as S class and below convoys. To lessen the reward discrepancy and boost rewards and all that.

Also, there's nothing wrong running purely high-end S class convoys. Red runes are still a thing ppl strive for last time I check.

I agree. Either make the fight a 2v1 with your support on auto or make it so the plundering player keeps the damage between teams. Just like on my server, the highest BP person in our group is rated #2 on the server, but our rival group has 3 out of 4 people in top 4. So your server rank 2 member can only assist you 3 times a day and then there is no chance of fighting off plunderers for the rest of the day.

I have learned now to wait until the last minute, grab an SS Conoy, then wait for convoy time to be over, but since i accepted the convoy before time ended, i have 30 minutes to run it. you get that overflow time to convoy, but plunder will be closed, so there is no risk of getting attacked, don't even need to worry about having support.

[EDIT:] this does work, someone in another group did this, and one of my group members could not plunder them.

Hi bro, by doing the SS at the end of the convoy timing, there is a good chance that the plunderers have finished plundering yes?

Usually when they are finished, these plunderers will be hanging out in town with their red names. So if you do not see them, then they are probably still trying to plunder yes?

Try to play smart, don't be the first to convoy when the predators have not been fed and are hungry for kills. If the predator is hiding and you cannot see him, then that's a warning sign that he s stalking you yes?

Hi, plunder does not close at event time because plunderers can still plunder as long as you are doing convoy. Just yesterday i plundered someone trying to be smart at 2.28pm as I saw him running out of town by chance.

However, there's a much higher chance of success using this strategy because most plunderers are done by this time. This may not work if you are on a really dead server and the plunderer can count his victims on 1 hand.

Don't forget there is a level limit of 15 levels which may be the reason why the strong player could not plunder your group mate.

I almost want to just start on a new server, stay at say lvl 30 and just convoy on it, until I have high power (which you can only get so high so probably 40) that way no one ridiculous levels can straight up beat me :L then when I spend the coupons on power, I'll go to plundering. Which sounds like probably the best way to do SS convoys :l

I'm not sure staying at a low level to be safe from plunders is the right way to play this game lol....

When you have "enough" power, everyone will be 30 levels higher than you and you will have no targets to plunder.

Dude sorry, i wasn't agree with you

1. i think its better to do plunder in low level. why? since you will not give those plunder 50 coupons and you can do convoy more safety also fix chance to doesn't meet someone who do a plunder with 15 more level than you

2. level and power? FOR WHAT, like you can beat those plunder if every single day you give them 50 coupons from plunder and you only get 15 coupons. think about this dude :P "how can you beat those plunder if you give them 50 coupons each day and only get 15 coupons for yourself" its better if you take 35 coupons each day and 0 to plunder :P

3. you are free to play? then don't let those plunder catch you, get better support, do ss convoy after times up.

4. Why people keep complaint when some people give solution? (expect you are the one who do plunder)

Remember only top 50 players CAN plunder, if you're on an established server, in theory if you convoy SS at lvl 30/40 no one can plunder you. That is free 35 coupons a day 35x30 = 1050 coupons a month, which doesn't include from Wishing Tree which adds 510 more coupons (if you gain 17 coupons from tree that is)