happens alot in all pvp events ... even their position 4 ninja goes before your position 1 ninja ..even tough from my knowledge that is never supposed to happen ...

this happens because your game lags. Could be a connection or an hardware related lag. I had for a while your problem too, but i discovered it fully depended on my cpu fan that didn't work as it should.

Maybe you're mistaken. From what I've read, you believe that the positioning of the ninjas matter (ie if they are in the first row, second row etc) But that isn't true. The first thing to take into account when deciding who goes first is based on the ninja's position relative to other ninjas in your team. When you look into your Ninja tab, You will see your ninjas having a Position 1, Position 2, Position 3, Position 4 above their name. Between you and your opponent, your Position 2 ninja will never move before your opponent's Position 1 ninja when both of you cast a mystery at the same time. (Unless the mystery is not prompt for your opponent) The only instance initiative comes into play is when both Position 2 ninjas from both you and your opponent decides to use a mystery. This is when having the higher initiative comes into play and you will move first in this instance.

From this, you can see that it doesn't matter whether you have your ninjas being in the second row first position etc or not. Hopefully I understood your problem right, based on how you described it?

Thx for the replay but nah man the game is so smooth...never lagged and all of this started happenibg this week after 3.0

I get what your saying but postioning matters... In real fights it does...dobt know about arena. Second its weird cuz I actuallydid experiment like I said with my friend...so his first ninja had 1700 initiative if we go by that cause my first ninja has 3800 and he was one one spot lower and he went first....my barier stayed...i attacked first but he did all of the mysteries first all of them...

interesting since game is running smoothly and the conection indicator right above the stamina bar is green .... yet it still happes that their position 3 or 4 ninja ( relative to their team ) every so often does his mystery before my position 1 ninja ( relative to my team ) thus rendering me unable to intrerupt their mystery wich is highly frustrating. ( mostly occuring in arena and sometimes in SWB )

Hey there,

Positioning in game works as following:

7 4 1

8 5 2

9 6 3

In your lineup, ninja that stands on a tile with lowest number, will almost always move before ninjas that stand on tiles with higher numbers. The only exceptions are caused by debuffs. The 2nd factor is initiative. Move 4 ninja that is faster than move 1 ninja will NOT move before move 1 ninja, because move 1 ninja is prioritized.

I hope this is what your question is about, if not, please let me know, will try to help you in a different way.

we know that is how it is supposed to happen. what we were saying is that quite often it happens in arena that move 4 ninja is actually moving before move 1 ninja thus making us believe that the prioritizing part is not functioning properly. hope this clarifies our concerns even further.

Qolem I really respect you and Jib cause you try but please read what I wrote....i know that and thats the problem...my number 1 ninja is in the second row first place- number 4 in the placement you wrote...now what are we saying is that number 8 ninja goes before my 4 ninja...no lagging I was pushing my mystery fast nothibg of sorts...thats arena and my experiment with my friend which ia 45k im 70k btw and he stilldid the mystery before me and plus his ninja was on position 5 and mine on position 4...so further my 1st ninja has 3850 now initiative his 1st ninja had 1700...so clearly somethings up. Hope I explained it well cause this happens a lot...i mean last row ninja goes before my first ninja...that is not supposed to happen.

Could you please clarify and describe the exact situation? Before I can assume this to be a bug, I'd need to know what ninjas was each side running, and how were they positioned.

Amm ok so I was running coming from back to front... Lightning main-sage naruto-clone ...top row

Hashirama-iruka...second row

Opponent...top row.. TentenGNW-lightning main-clone

Second row...mei-mabui....

Like I said I fought more times, today happend again so...i got nuked by tenten my iruka couldnt get to her mystery...second round mei goes before my sage naruto....if u need I can give u 10 examples like I said this happend today also.

I think i understood what is your problem, so let me explain a thing that maybe you aren't aware of.

The general rule qoolem talks about is the following one: in pvp a first prompt move mystery can be interrupted only by a first prompt move mystery if has higher initiative, a second prompt move mystery can be interrupted only by a first prompt move mystery or by a second prompt move mystery with higher initiative, a third prompt move mystery can be interrupted by a 1st or 2nd prompt move mystery or by a 3rd prompt move mystery with higher initiative, and so on. But beware that this is the general rule.

The game mechanics are made in a way that if you don't lag and have the best pc in the world and you don't use any mystery then what happens is that you get the following streak of actions: 1st: highest initiative first prompt move ninja uses his standard attack. 2nd: lowest initiative first prompt move ninja uses his standard attack. 3rd: highest initiative second prompt move ninja uses his standard attack, 4th: lowest initiative second prompt move ninja uses his standard attack and so on up to the 4th lowest initiative prompt move ninja. The time span between one action and the following one is set and when you use a mystery this timespan don't get at all modified nor the actions i talked about get delayed. Depending on when you use a mystery the effect gets displayed before or after one of these actions.

Now, the problem you are facing is the following one: a skilled player knows exactly about how this mechanics work and so waits 1 millisecond before his 2nd prompt move ninja standard attack lands to use a mystery if he knows it can be interrupted. By doing so, when the icon of the mystery pops over the ninja, you click on your mystery to interrupt the enemy, but the server don't have the time to understand that you wanted to use the mystery to interrupt your enemy one and so, for it, is like if you wanted to use the mystery AFTER the enemy second prompt move standard attack.

So what happens is that instead of getting the following streak of movements (the one you expect to get): your mystery -> enemy negated mystery -> standard attack, you get this streak of movements: enemy mystery -> standard attack -> your mystery. Just because the time between one standard attack and another is fixed and mysteries gets placed between them.

To be clearer: a mystery can be interrupted by a theoretically faster mystery ONLY IF BOTH ARE CALCULATED BY THE SERVER AS IF THEY ARE HAPPENING BETWEEN THE TWO SAME ACTIONS (standard attacks).

So, yes, a mystery, with some timing skill can be made uninterruptable and personally speaking i think this is a serious problem that could be easily solved in 99% of the cases by adding a line of code that says that when you use a mystery the following standard attack gets forcefully delayed by 2 seconds.

Theoretically automode should prevent this, but only if you are lucky enough to be on auto before the standard attack where your enemy choses to use his mystery, otherwise the AI will simply waste the interruption on the lowest hp ninja and beware that when you click on 'auto' the game doesn't switch immediately to automode, but waits for the following action to do it, making so very hard to take advantage of it in this specific situation.

well what happend to me quite often was against the usual water cancer gnw tenten team where as u know mabui is in position 1, tenten is behind mabui ,mei is behind tenten and water main + water clone on a different row . and quite often tenten mystery goes before my iruka on position 1 .

other issue that appears is vs fire main teams where fire main is in position 4 and still does his shield before my iruka`s intrerupt . ( iruka still in position 1 )

Look wow that was a long text...but no man read my simple text...my computer never lags not even in nine tales...second im talking about and let me get this clear....Ok my ninja-sage naruto on position 4....goes after mei position 8- example from previous text....that is the problem and that needs to be fixed...my whole initiative is over 11k now it can happend yeah but if ur Kozo Egawa which the player wasnt...that is the problem and sorry for writting long text about interuption but I wasnt talking about that...a guy with 1700 initiative on spot 5 goes before me 3800 iniative on spot 4...no not happening...

Hey there,

Please keep in mind that you may not lag, but still have delay. Those 2 occurances seem to often be independent of eachother.

If you were able to record the issue, that would help a lot to determine the exact reason for it.

thatd be much easier with the replay system

Well if there is no init problem, explain to me how my barrier char has over 2k init and people with much lower init are taking my auto barrier with their auto barrier char, fought multiple different people to test this. The lowest had darui with init 1401 and the highest had a danzo with 1677 init. Also, I tried multiple different auto barrier chars Mei, Darui, and Danzo. None of the opponents even had a total init higher than mine if we add all chars up...so yeah there is def a bug. Might not be happening with everyone, but it is with some of us

That team is one of the very few teams where what i explained can be done even before the first prompt move standard attack because mabui have a passive that happens before each action that helps a lot for the timing before first prompt move standard attack. So what happens is that your enemy just wait for mabui to give chakra and instead of clicking immediately on tenten mystery (this would let you interrupt it) waits for another 0.5 seconds and then uses tenten mystery just before mabui healing standard attack, so, when you click on iruka to interrupt it you just passed the time the server gives you to place iruka mystery before mabui healing. Infact, when happens, you see that tenten lands the mystery on you, then mabui heals (for 0 hp of course, you just see the green aura around the highest hp ninja that tells you it happened) and then iruka hits tenten.

I explained it in the text. Read it better. Doesn't matter your initiative, he just uses his mysteries before one of his standard attacks and even if you have higher initiative you can't use your mysteries before his ones for the reason i explained. If instead you get nuked by a standard attack like sage naruto one that starts for sure a combo... i explained that too. Position on the field matters only on par initiative, (so in pvp only among summons/clones at the end of the round), but if initiative is higher than 0 then the highest initiative first prompt move ninja moves always before the lowest initiative first prompt move ninja, even if your one is in position 1 and enemy one is in position 6, to use the numbers of qoolem.

Let be clearer. Lets say i use this lineup:

x roshi x

yagura breeze dancer x

x sage naruto x

and my roshi have 4000 initiative.

Lets say you use the classic mb blitz team:

Mifune x MB

Wb asuma iruka x

x x x

And your mb have 3800 initiative.

Who moves first?

Reading what you wrote you seem to think that should move first your mb, but no, since both your mb and my roshi are first prompt moves then, moves first my roshi even if is in position 4 and your mb is in position 1.