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1＃ Go Toive made a thread on this topic before a while ago! but what actually calssifys a person as a sword user? is it the use of a sword? is it the use of a fighting style that represents a sword? is it the use of a weapon larger then a kunai?
why is hanzo a sword user? hes very obviously using a Kusarigama a type of sickle with a chain attaching to a weight...
why are both forums of asumas chakra blades considers to be 'swords' yet danzos 'wind blade' attack which he uses quite heavily isnt a blade user when its litterally the same thing... a short weapon infused with wind jutsu... and why is danzo not even a wind user? why is he fire...?
why is normal oro a sword user but konoha traitor isnt? they litteraly have the same standard attack.....
why is torune not a sword user? he has a sword on his person, thats more then can be said for hanzo...
why is susano itachi not a sword user? he predominately attacks with his astral sword, the totsuka blade....
AND DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON Jinin Akebino who will later become a sword user!!!!
based on this blaring insanity i suggest we make hiruzen, yagura, tendo pain and minato sword users, because they are closer to being sword users then hanzo or Jinin Akebino
i know nothing will be changed from this obvious crazyness.... but i thought i should point it out regardless!
images included for each, thank you for reading~
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- Benevolence On 2017-07-20 00:14:13
- Any bladed weapon counts as a sword here.
ok, all kunai users should now be sword users, sasori should be a sword user for blade wings, kanks puppets produce blades, he should be a sword user, chiyos puppets have blades, jiraiyas hair is sharp, tenten thrwos all sorts of bladed weapons, kibas fangs and claws are sharp enough to be blades, do they count to? im sure mabuis clip board has sharp edges, sword tag please, ao carrys around a dagger, am i doing it right? -
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- Akidonoki On 2017-07-20 00:18:51
- ok, all kunai users should now be sword users, sasori should be a sword user for blade wings, kanks puppets produce blades, he should be a sword user, chiyos puppets have blades, jiraiyas hair is sharp, tenten thrwos all sorts of bladed weapons, kibas fangs and claws are sharp enough to be blades, do they count to? im sure mabuis clip board has sharp edges, sword tag please, ao carrys around a dagger, am i doing it right?
No, you're not. You're taking it to literal, or maybe being passive aggressive about the issue.
Who know. However, the trend with 'sword' users are those who have their primary weapons be bladed weapons. Characters who rely on their bladed object for physical damage. This of course excludes people like Minato despite him using a kunai as his primary weapon. -
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- Benevolence On 2017-07-20 00:52:22
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No, you're not. You're taking it to literal, or maybe being passive aggressive about the issue.
Who know. However, the trend with 'sword' users are those who have their primary weapons be bladed weapons. Characters who rely on their bladed object for physical damage. This of course excludes people like Minato despite him using a kunai as his primary weapon.
so orochimaru konohas traitor, danzo, susano itachi? -
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Think about it through the game balance's perspective, there's no way to make all these different kinds of classifications for weapons. They'd have to make tons of different interactions if they all behaved differently, so they just made them fall under the "Sword" category. -
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- Tjun On 2017-07-20 01:41:21
- Think about it through the game balance's perspective, there's no way to make all these different kinds of classifications for weapons. They'd have to make tons of different interactions if they all behaved differently, so they just made them fall under the "Sword" category.
if this is the case it should be named something else -
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I think to be a sword user, the following qualifications needs to be met.
Have a physical bladed weapon.
Said weapon needs to be bigger than a standard kunai
Said weapon needs to be a primary method of attack
Said weapon needs to be primarily used in melee combat (i.e. projectile weapon don't count)
Given that, the only one I don't quite get is the orochi traitor.
As for calling them sword... well, sword was a bit literal in term of translation. The original wording is more like bladed weapon. Take seven swordsmen of the mist, for example, there is the Kabutowari. That's not really... a sword. There lacks, however, adequate words for the classification required. (Also, kenjutsu is not limited to "sword" exactly) -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-07-20 04:51:37
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I think to be a sword user, the following qualifications needs to be met.
Have a physical bladed weapon.
Said weapon needs to be bigger than a standard kunai
Said weapon needs to be a primary method of attack
Said weapon needs to be primarily used in melee combat (i.e. projectile weapon don't count)
Given that, the only one I don't quite get is the orochi traitor.
As for calling them sword... well, sword was a bit literal in term of translation. The original wording is more like bladed weapon. Take seven swordsmen of the mist, for example, there is the Kabutowari. That's not really... a sword. There lacks, however, adequate words for the classification required. (Also, kenjutsu is not limited to "sword" exactly)
I think Konoha's Traitor doesn't work because his entire kit didn't revolve around his Kusanagi sword. His kit on this character is a sword on his finishing combo standard attack. On Sannin war his mystery itself is him using said sword, and the character this version was taken from is one where Orochimaru used his sword heavily before he attacked Konoha -
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- Benevolence On 2017-07-20 04:57:58
- I think Konoha's Traitor doesn't work because his entire kit didn't revolve around his Kusanagi sword. His kit on this character is a sword on his finishing combo standard attack. On Sannin war his mystery itself is him using said sword, and the character this version was taken from is one where Orochimaru used his sword heavily before he attacked Konoha
Which would fall under the "as a primary method of attack" bit.
But then comes the question of, just what amount of usage qualifies one on that regard. Sure, he doesn't use it a heck lot, but neither does sasuke or sai, as far as story goes. And if we are talking about in-game attacks, GNW sai and kimimaro does not use their swords to attack in game... I think... -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-07-20 05:06:23
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Which would fall under the "as a primary method of attack" bit.
But then comes the question of, just what amount of usage qualifies one on that regard. Sure, he doesn't use it a heck lot, but neither does sasuke or sai, as far as story goes. And if we are talking about in-game attacks, GNW sai and kimimaro does not use their swords to attack in game... I think...
GNW Sai i'm not so sure about, however Kimimaro does have his bone weapons, which one of them happens to be a sword. -
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Hi there everyone,
GNW Sai uses Tanto, which classifies him as a kenjutsu user. The same applies for Water Main.
What concerns Orochimaru's two versions, it's a thing I'm unable to really specify. I will let our team know about it, so if it will be considered a mistake, there should be something done about it :) If not, then the reasoning would be most likely the usage of that sword in his case.
What concerns Sai and Sasuke's sword usage, Sai uses it always in close combat, and Sasuke was shown using his one very frequently before unlocking better powers, like Susano'o. It was still a prominent feature of his fightstyle nonetheless.
To clarify, to my knowledge, Konoha Traitor Orochimaru is first in chronological order. "Sannin War" refers to the Tsunade and Jiraiya vs Orochimaru battle.
Asuma's tag I'd clarify by the fact that his weapons' extended blades make it into swordlike weapon, while Danzo's attacks are based on wind waves, generated by his kunai, not exactly wind being a blade itself.
What concerns Hiruzen, Yagura, Tendo and Minato, neither of them uses anything remotely close to a sword.
Hiruzen uses a staff, which is also his summoning animal. On the logic of him being swordsman, Temari would apply just as much.
Yagura again, is using a staff. It's nowhere near a sword, and it's not used in a swordlike manner either.
Tendo path of Pain is using black rod receivers, so another staff-like weapon, with an additional piercing power.
Minato's Shiraishin Raijin Kunai are just fancy kunai with his jutsu formula, again, not a sword. Blade, only one of the examples that uses it, but it's still kunai, projectile.
Hanzo uses a semi-ranged weapon, that may not be a sword, but has sword-like characteristics.
Seven Swordsman of the Mist is just a title given, to anyone who wields special so called swords, although those are specifically stated to be just extravagant swords, so that the lore matches the description.
Totsuka blade is not Itachi's weapon. It's his Susanoo's weapon, on top of being a nonmaterial sword, if sword at all. It has no blade, and could be classified as a spiritual sword at most. The same could be said for Hiruzen, that he should be sword user because the Death Reaper he summons has knives. Spiritual nonmaterial weapon that's also not in possesion of it's wielder is not enough to classify someone as a swordsman.
Torune's weapon is Tanto, not a sword to my knowledge, but he barely ever uses it. It's not his fightstyle, in contrary to Sai.
If I missed any clarifications, please let me know. Each character has a reasoning behind itself, to my knowledge, although I may have misinterpreted some. -
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