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On 2017-06-26 23:33:31Show All Posts
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So what happens when only strong players are left with no weak players to plunder?
The others said better than me but, it's basically the same only that the former weaker player that left are remplaced by the weaker of the strong.

That is if not all of the top ends up in the same group which is the only really active group from the server, cause y'know can't plunder group mates. In that case either everybody runs convoy or they make alts to plunder. Sometimes the strong may choose to secede from the main group in order to plunder from their former group mates and for GNW.
The strong becomes the weak and the cycle continuesPretty much. I guess those who were plundered by them would enjoy the irony.. if you know, hadn't quit their server.
To be honest most ppl that do get plunder are * enough to deserve it, since they never ask for support and do convoy when the serve and players are most active, then Depends, usally a server starts many groups get made, strong groups are defined clearly by the end of the first month. The top groups usally set a range of level and power they want to stay competitive, so the server gets set up with a collection of groups with strong people and many more with the rest of the weaker players.

As time progresses the top groups continue recruiting, generally what drives a group to become #1 is the abilitiy of the people managing it to secure strong players, regular donators and of course most of the p2w, p2p and skilled f2p. Donations are additive meaning if your group level is high people will be interested in joining and as the top group you can pick and choose who's the better choice and kick those who don't benefit you. ( Which should be obvious to anyone, but people still get *hurt about being kicked )

Strong players that somehow don't make the cut end up in groups 2, 3, 4, 5 and *tered in lower groups if they choose to join those. Competitive players that can't make it to the #1 will try for #2 or #3 asap. Groups below the top have two things working against them basically get the scraps left and as time passes the server population will start dwindling, it's not obvious at first but it will be noticeable later on. Top group will always attract some people so strong player in other groups that wanted to join but couldn't may try again as activity lowers and effectively the top group will soon have most of the strong and competitive players. This will happen unless #1's leader is a nincom* widely hated in the server lol sometimes the group #2 raises to become #1 because of stuff like this.

So from the start some groups and their members have the upperhand. Doing convoy when the server is rather new and quite active is not that bad your chances to be plundered are low and there are plenty of targets so I feel people don't worry much if the strong players in their group are done with their support or are even significantly weaker than the ones doing plunder. Cause is all a breeze everyone jokes around in world chat and chit chat in group chat. But time passes and things change. People will start noticing they get plundered more often at one point they will be plundered everytime they run SS, it's unavoidable that's how it always end up.

tbh by this point many of them already have like over 9000 complaints about things and stuff. Some people hate the top players and the top group. Pfft you can check the report of misbehavior to see how some people explode in pm or wc when plundered. One would think at the point in which you want to cuss at someone on pm you'd realize you either need to quit playing, quit doing convoy, go watch anime, quit the server, play another game, or figure something else that makes you less bitter with your free time, but noo they won't.

Some people in lower groups at a lower level and power is basically doomed to lose. Chances for support and quality of it is limited. If the strongest in the server are in one group or two and you're not in that group then there's basically no way. Is not like you can accept a convoy and run it in the middle of the night you can accept in active hours and even when people run it after active hours they can get plundered, and some plunderers adapt to plunder at such times cause they aren't dumb. There's even a program thingie now that people use so nah.

I see it like this, these people were gonna quit since the day they joined the server it just takes longer for some of them to realize that.
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On 2017-06-27 01:05:40Show All Posts
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  • Blackami974 On 2017-06-27 00:20:46
  • I suppose you have point there the problem is you and me are seeing this kinda differently since when i started there was no plunder and convoy in this sense there were earth and sky scrolls that needed to be put together etc etc not the point here. Point is that those ppl before the 2.0 plunder even in the beggining were weak and i am talking about f2p vs f2p. So in my eyes if you get plunder and you cant defend yourself now you are a *.Yes i do understand that this logic is flawed like a lot but i am talking mainly about older servers.
Old convoy had two issues if I recall. One was repeated scrolls, if merchant spamed more of the same it was impossible to run especially when groups were small or when the few people who had the one scroll everybody needed just ran with one person and logged off or weren't interested in helping others. Lol I had so much rage reserved for those who did one run and logged off instead of the 4 runs. And if you ran it as soon as it started you got high possibilities of being plundered by players stronger than you.

I don't know if convoy back then could be blamed for quitting players because even when it was frustrating in my server what people did is try to join the stronger groups, not run it or have a partner and run it at the last possible moment when it was likely the herd of the strong players had already plundered the easy targets. I'll say one thing the strong players of the small groups always had like 10 people asking them for help all at once.

People used to name as their rage points three things: arena, matsuri and sage. Actually in my server low levels stopped doing sage and I was told more than once not to touch arena not even with a long *. I know a few people lost their patience when kurama used to take as long af to die, but I never heard of anyone quitting over it.


People in general got frustrated of losing and being unable to progress and when people left other people left because there was no one to talk. Groups would progressively die out in activity. The diference of old convoy and new convoy is that when you lost some people blamed it in their partner rather than feel bullied themselves. Is like when there's someone else, you are not the only one hurting? I guess, that's how people does see it.

Also the ratio of rewards between plunder and convoy wasn't perceived as negatively as now. Like hm, they plunder you and don't get 15 coupons out of it but even more than you would if your convoy was sucessful.
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On 2017-06-27 02:10:46Show All Posts
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  • Blackami974 On 2017-06-27 01:16:39
  • Well maybe this is the case of only my server but i don't recall over the span of 4-5 months that anyone said anything remotely close to flame back then and yea the difference between convoy and plunder were almost non-existent as in even if you could be able to do both i recall that most players didn't even bother doing plunder. Now when the plunder and convoy introduced coupons as a mean of currency ppl started getting offended since if they would lose the battle, they would lose something far more precious then coins. With that said plunder has become number 1 reason for players quitting but that will change when plunder and convoy change again but not the point here. Regarding the alts it is bannable if you get caught that is , I don't know anyone on my server that is doing that.
    P.S. really nice to see someone actually giving some thoughts into his/her responses instead of just stating their mind and leaving the discussion.
Honestly, I can see why it creates so much saltyness. Coupon is valuable. If I didn't get my coupons everyday like I do now. I too rage quit, they have been inmensaly helpful and getting 15 is not the same that getting 150.

Convoy back them dealt with the same frustration of players losing to players, but the thing is the ratio btw rewards wasn't seen as unequal as now. If by being plundered you knew your attacker will win 15 coupons, then a person wouldn't be as annoyed and plunderers would chose to plunder cause they like to plain villain, not like OP said bc is the best choice btw the 2.
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