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1＃ Go ToSo me and a friend tested something out and it would seem lightning main attacks do siginciantly more damage to naruto's clone than others
Using taijutsu standard attack on MB
fire main clones recieve 1.3k damage per hit on full combo
Sage mode clone recieve 2.2k damage per hit on full combo also sigificantly more likely to be criticalled as well about twice as likely
Has anyone else notice this.
I was under the impression all clones have % of orginal ninjas attribute this
Can someone from the dev team please clarify on what is happening with stats because this seems to be a bug
Repluse damage is abusive against this clone
If you intent to make Sage mode clone weaker by default give it less hp not half the defenses
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I would like to point out that while all clone/summon/puppet are % of original's stat:
Not all % are equal. Kankuro vs GNW kankuro, for example, I believe is 60% vs 80%.
base stat distribution are not equal: so your fire main clone takes less damage than your sage naruto clone, but what is the damage ratio between your fire main and your sage naruto?
Note that damage taken is not linear to defense value. So if your sage naruto, for example, takes 20% more damage than fire main, then it might be normal for the sage clone to take 50% more than the fire clone.
Also, how many test run did you guys do? I'm sure you know there is some damage variance in damage. You need to track the individual damages, the mean and the standard deviation to see if you are within 5% alpha. -
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We did about 5 tests per case and all seem to point towards inconsistency with the % of total attributes only conclusion is %HP is used
Example Normal Naruto clone take similar damage as Zabuza clone even tho naruto clone are the weakess at 5% of hp and Zabuza clone is the strongest tied with Akatsuchi and torune at 100%
Oh just realised I havent tested summoned Akatsuchi golem but I doubt there would be problems and really this is only a problem since in theroy replusing these clones are a nightmare at 2x damage the replise damage is ridiculous since it isn't modified further by their own defenses.
Also ran the calculations
GNW Kankuro has 70% puppet
Kankuro has 50% puppet
Sage Naruto 65% clone
Fire main 60% clone
I will say this both kankuro puppets take nearly the same damage
Again all I can say for certainty is regardless of % of hp all clones/puppets/summon take damage within similar ranges (we did some stat tests and no ninjutsu has zero effect on clones defenses) except Sage Naruto and Ao who's damage ranges are nearly twice the values. This post was last edited by Azzakye at 2017-6-3 11:23 -
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- Azzakye On 2017-06-03 11:14:56
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We did about 5 tests per case and all seem to point towards inconsistency with the % of total attributes only conclusion is %HP is used
Example Normal Naruto clone take similar damage as Zabuza clone even tho naruto clone are the weakess at 5% of hp and Zabuza clone is the strongest tied with Akatsuchi and torune at 100%
Oh just realised I havent tested summoned Akatsuchi golem but I doubt there would be problems and really this is only a problem since in theroy replusing these clones are a nightmare at 2x damage the replise damage is ridiculous since it isn't modified further by their own defenses.
Also ran the calculations
GNW Kankuro has 70% puppet
Kankuro has 50% puppet
Sage Naruto 65% clone
Fire main 60% clone
I will say this both kankuro puppets take nearly the same damage
Again all I can say for certainty is regardless of % of hp all clones/puppets/summon take damage within similar ranges (we did some stat tests and no ninjutsu has zero effect on clones defenses) except Sage Naruto and Ao who's damage ranges are nearly twice the values. This post was last edited by Azzakye at 2017-6-3 11:23
Having been mainly Light main for a long time Sage Clone takes about same damage as Kank puppets, he is only a bit less tanky then main clones, but that's i think is because most people have 5 star main and only 3 star Naruto. He takes nowhere near the amount of damage Ao does, or Kakashi for that matter. But their clones have barely any armor on purpose, they are made to get one shot and give 20 chakra.
Maybe something is broken on your server but here Sage Naruto + Iruka combo is one of more popular ways to counter light armor builds especially for Wind and Fire mains because clone usually sponge most/all attacks or combo. -
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Oh yeah kakashi clone also suffers from 2x damage
Even so it is a marginal difference of 10% even less in full calculations 125% vs 115% stats 8.7% more than or 8% less than. This doesn't come close to even within range of the damage numbers I am seeing.
Also don't you see how abusive this is if your super buffed lightning main repluse these guys you are dealing 2x damage to all the other ninjas behind as well effectively if you did about 2.6k on crit against any other ninja you would do 5.2k agianst this clone and if you repluse it thats 5.2k gone to anything thing behind it. That is atleast a third to half of any of my ninjas hp gone if this was intended that would explain why chojuro is the clone team killer literally repluse anyone of ao, kakashi or sage clone and their team gets half dead.
Again if you want to make them weaker give them less health not less defense this one mechanic is what makes this such an imbalance -
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