LOGIN
Register
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 11
- Posts: 967
- On 2017-05-20 11:43:26
-
Your not doing the break down. Now my words are merely for the assistance to aid those who have it unfair. So with that being said lets do the breakdown on stats.
a f2p player playing for 7 months straight will be "lucky" to reach all lvl 6 refines, hell all lvl 5 refines prob. Sound a bit unbelievable? Considering some weekly events sometimes are less then 30 max to purchase with points/currency. Soooo lets do a little math shall we. Lets say they were lucky to get !?!?!40 a week!?! Hmm 4 weeks, 160 a month, 7 months=1,120. That's doing all events&even if they used the free coupons for refining. Yeah....... "start building refines". You forgot the part "Start building refines *and check back into arena after about 9 months then you should be good to go" Magatamas don't really matter in arena? Purifying?
Then overall the flaw is in the system you say, what about decreasing the gap between servers that you get? it can be done, but nothing guarantees you that you will get a player around the same time your server opened, for all i know most servers have their whales, and it doesnt matter if your server is recent or not, when it comes to that, who you going to blame then?
at this stage of arena, most people use meta teams, that they use for dailies and gnw, doesnt matter, you still have plenty of time to build a decent team, and build up those refinements, it will come the time where u either fight someone around your iniciative, or a whale who spend big amounts of cash for this game, when late game comes, now? now doesnt matter much, cuz 90% of the time i fight in the arena, all i get is me ta teams, sometimes i win, sometimes i lose.
P.S: Yes i did reach 6 path rank, was long journey but i did it. Now i dont care much cuz i've been there done that, no use it climbing the ladder now, with kage ninjas. -
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 11
- Posts: 967
- IamAscrub On 2017-05-20 12:31:20
-
I'm on server 236. At the start of this arena season, I asked my opponents what server they are from after reaching anbu. Most that answered are from double digit servers, with multiple from server 14. That's a pretty huge gap in terms of server age, and hence initiative.
I spend money and use resources in a very optimized manner; there are less than 100 players in this giant LA bracket with higher overall initiative than me. I have yet to meet a single opponent at kage+ who has lower initiative than me. If a player like me has no chance of ever winning initiative, what chance do newer players have? Saving refines ain't doing much when players on older servers are still gaining initiative. As hard as you try, you will never catch a much older f2p player without spending a huge amount of money on refines.
Reality is.. once your server goes cross-server; if you didn't reach 6 paths yet, you will never reach it short of spending a couple grand to make up for the server age difference.
----------------------------------------------------------
What makes this current system even worse is that the total number of arena points are decreasing. More points are removed at the end of a season from ppl with seasons unlocked, than points being generated by season rewards and winning streaks. Since players who didn't reach 6 paths don't get a negative point reset; they just end up more and more negative, until they give up. This current system is inherently flawed and biased against players who never did reach 6 paths.
But in the end, does your rank go down? -
-
- UchihaShay On 2017-05-20 12:52:10
- But in the end, does your rank go down?
decreasing the server gap wont matter either. All that will do is create even more issues.
Atm people can find matches easily because its basically all the servers thrown in, if they decrease gl finding matches easier thus creating 2 issues. Negatives&huge wait times.
The only helpful solution is negatives gotten rid of. -
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 42
- Posts: 692
- UchihaShay On 2017-05-20 12:52:10
- But in the end, does your rank go down?
I get monthly resets because I got 6 paths before cross server. I will be stuck at super kage forever and never reach 6 paths otherwise. One of the opponents I met is at 46 - 20 at the time of facing me this season. He got to super kage pre-cross server, and could never get out of the negative hole since. -
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 11
- Posts: 967
- On 2017-05-20 13:20:36
-
decreasing the server gap wont matter either. All that will do is create even more issues.
Atm people can find matches easily because its basically all the servers thrown in, if they decrease gl finding matches easier thus creating 2 issues. Negatives&huge wait times.
The only helpful solution is negatives gotten rid of.
so i dont see ur problem honestly, there's always going to be flaws, and ups and downs regarding arena matches, cuz even if u get negative points, ur rank wont go down, period. So i just dont see the problem. -
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 11
- Posts: 210
The problem is simple.
People who get into a negative loop will stop playing arena since its pointless. Young servers are never reaching kage, hell even anbu might be a problem for them since they cant compete on initiative. Older servers are depopulating so there are less and less players on the arena.
Result, at kage or super kage you face only double digit servers, which limit the number of players participating in ranked which slowly will get less and less players.
Even if you get ucky and win once, you will loose 5 other times and in the end get stuck in a negative loop.
Conclusion, No one under server 200 goes ranked after hitting kage since its pointless, waiting time becomes longer and longer and the arena becomes a useless gimmick.
You say build your refines, purify. I am a casual spender and have 7k initiative. Im in the servers on the 400 and now at Jonin ranl ive been figting server 86, 92, 74 (I ask since when the opponent makes the fist move its usually over, and the community is fun to talk to). And I am a casual spender. Imagine a f2p.
If you remove negative points before you hit 6 paths for the first time at least you can try and get lucky from time to time in order to reach that stage and try and compete for something.
We are NOT complaining about the initiative system, nor the pairings or anything else besides the negative points for 1st timers. Stop saying do this and do that when it obviously does not apply to over 90% of the players. -
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 163
- Posts: 2514
- UchihaShay On 2017-05-20 03:04:07
-
I dont understand what's so difficult about arena you're referring to...arena doesn measure your power, but only iniciative works in that regard, so i dont see the problem, i've beaten me
ta teams with teams that not everyone uses, wanna tip...start using refinements and build up that iniciative, maybe you'll win some arena fights, instead going in this forum saying arena is broken.
The problem is that yes, you can beat them, but you can't at all base your strategy to get a long lasting winning streak on that alone if you don't have something like 15k initiative at least.
One setup that maybe can win if you have a very good skill against one meta team, badly loses against the other 5-6 me ta teams. In arena you need to win at least 3 times in a row to get +2 instead of +1 for every new victory. With what you are suggesting you can't do it all without knowing beforehand your rival setup.
You beat tenten gnw, mabui, mei, af meta team with a weird non me ta team? wow, gratz! Little problem: the following match is against Bd, sage naruto, bee sst, gaara 5th kazekage, the following one after that is against Danzo, Mb root, Mifune, Kimimaro and your arranged team that worked once don't stand a chance against these two if worked well against the first. So you win the first match but you lose the other two. Summed up you got a -1.
Talking about the issue in general: the problem is that the actual system gives advantage only to cheaters and whales for new servers.
I'm ok with the advantage to whales but not at all with the advantage to cheaters.
Reading at what you write you play since a lot before 2.0 appeared. I play in server 302 one of the first servers that were in 2.0.
In my server only two people reached sage of six paths before the 60 days and THEY USED ALTS to do it. When i used to go in arena ranked at that time i only experienced queues longer than 1 hour and after i reached anbu somehow i just stopped caring about it since it was unplayable (no matchings at all after that point) and so did all the other people that tried to do it. If i knew it beforehand i would have created 5 alts too to reach it, now i can't do it anymore, but since i didn't cheat at that time now i get disvantaged in comparison with people that cheated.
This is what happens in every server after the first week it opens since 2.0 onwards. Whatever was your experience about it is not at all comparable with our one.
And what doesn't work at all is that Oasis encourages this behaviour because doesn't do anything to change it.
This post was last edited by 988***@uf16 at 2017-5-20 21:36 -
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 11
- Posts: 967
- Garv On 2017-05-20 21:07:28
-
The problem is that yes, you can beat them, but you can't at all ba
se your strategy to get a long lasting winning streak on that alone if you don't have something like 15k initiative at least.
One setup that maybe can win if you have a very good skill against one meta team, badly loses against the other 5-6 me ta teams. In arena you need to win at least 3 times in a row to get +2 instead of +1 for every new victory. With what you are suggesting you can't do it all without knowing beforehand your rival setup.
You beat tenten gnw, mabui, mei, af meta team with a weird non me ta team? wow, gratz! Little problem: the following match is against Bd, sage naruto, bee sst, gaara 5th kazekage, the following one after that is against Danzo, Mb root, Mifune, Kimimaro and your arranged team that worked once don't stand a chance against these two if worked well against the first. So you win the first match but you lose the other two. Summed up you got a -1.
Talking about the issue in general: the problem is that the actual system gives advantage only to cheaters and whales for new servers.
I'm ok with the advantage to whales but not at all with the advantage to cheaters.
Reading at what you write you play since a lot before 2.0 appeared. I play in server 302 one of the first servers that were in 2.0.
In my server only two people reached sage of six paths before the 60 days and THEY USED ALTS to do it. When i used to go in arena ranked at that time i only experienced queues longer than 1 hour and after i reached anbu somehow i just stopped caring about it since it was unplayable (no matchings at all after that point) and so did all the other people that tried to do it. If i knew it beforehand i would have created 5 alts too to reach it, now i can't do it anymore, but since i didn't cheat at that time now i get disvantaged in comparison with people that cheated.
This is what happens in every server after the first week it opens since 2.0 onwards. Whatever was your experience about it is not at all comparable with our one.
And what doesn't work at all is that Oasis encourages this behaviour because doesn't do anything to change it.
This post was last edited by 988***@uf16 at 2017-5-20 21:36
im curious to know how do you "cheat" in arena post 2.0? when it's crossed arena. -
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 11
- Posts: 210
Its not crossed arena till your server reaches 60 days of age, with enough alts you can technicaly cheat your way thourgh, although the number is probably huge since you cant be challenged by someone with more than 2 points than you.
Op, can i post your suggestion in the customer section of the forums ? That's where we can propose new stuff and its the best shot we have at it actually being implemented. -
-
- Armand_ On 2017-05-21 01:12:40
-
Its not crossed arena till your server reaches 60 days of age, with enough alts you can technicaly cheat your way thourgh, although the number is probably huge since you cant be challenged by someone with more than 2 points than you.
Op, can i post your suggestion in the customer section of the forums ? That's where we can propose new stuff and its the best shot we have at it actually being implemented.
Sure but figured it'd be better in general sense more people view it. As I said this thread needs to stay very lively. Because being so lively adds to assistance of possibly being changed -
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 11
- Posts: 210
Not many players go into the general or strategy sections of the forums. Most of them only go to news in order to see new events or get a server merge.
It's also older players who usually roam in the forums and they usually have been here long enough to have a high initiative. So they are not very likely to read this thread at all, even if they probably would agree with the suggestions.
Getting a long thread with this kind of topic is very hard and would probably require you to tell players in your server in order to get more interest. -
-
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 163
- Posts: 2514
- UchihaShay On 2017-05-21 00:12:52
- im curious to know how do you "cheat" in arena post 2.0? when it's crossed arena.
when a new server opens for the first two months is out of the cross server circuit. at the 61st day it gets added to the circuit. So you can simply create 4-5 alts and join arena when none else do it during those 60 days.
You just reach the highest tier possible with your main account, then you let the alts fight among themselves until one of them reaches one tier lower than yours, at that point you rank up. And you redo it, by adding new alts, until you reach the points for sage of six paths.
This post was last edited by 988***@uf16 at 2017-5-23 03:12 -
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 1
- Posts: 134
-
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 72
- Posts: 1207
-
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 11
- Posts: 967
- Garv On 2017-05-23 03:08:36
-
when a new server opens for the first two months is out of the cross server circuit. at the 61st day it gets added to the circuit. So you can simply create 4-5 alts and join arena when none else do it during those 60 days.
You just reach the highest tier possible with your main account, then you let the alts fight among themselves until one of them reaches one tier lower than yours, at that point you rank up. And you redo it, by adding new alts, until you reach the points for sage of six paths.
This post was last edited by 988***@uf16 at 2017-5-23 03:12
then u shouldnt even be allowed to do arena, if people do that, and Oasis knows it, u can actually prevent arena for 60 days in the code for the new servers, call it unfair, but is it fair that people cheat their way up to sage of six paths, through alt account while others doing legit way, telling you, this game has these flaws, i agree could make a difference in someone who wants to be competitive. -
-
- UchihaShay On 2017-05-23 07:08:37
- then u shouldnt even be allowed to do arena, if people do that, and Oasis knows it, u can actually prevent arena for 60 days in the code for the new servers, call it unfair, but is it fair that people cheat their way up to sage of six paths, through alt account while others doing legit way, telling you, this game has these flaws, i agree could make a difference in someone who wants to be competitive.
well considering my main server 95% of the players did use the alt method before cross server existed to reach six paths, likewise so did the others servers I've visited before the release.
So lets just look at the rank of everyone as a whole. I can honestly say 85% minimum of all six paths players reached six paths by alting. As it only took less then an hour to do it by urself.
So that's a big "negative" on being fair. Ha made a pun in my thread :P. This bit of info only further goes to proving it needs to be removed as it is unfair to the newers on cross server as well as the oldies who were unable to obtain it before it started
*Likewise just so people can get a little feel of the issue. *more so for the players the negative points doesnt affect cause they have six paths*
I am trying to get my alt to six paths via cross server and guess what? Dont got a snow * chance in hell on it.
~great intiative
~majority of every ninja u'd want for arena
~perfect summons for lineups.
Literrally i been messing around with it for some time and my alt has yet to be able to get past jonin rank. Surely thats impossible your thinking. Nope its possible and very likely the second it gets close to ranking up !BAM! losses come pouring in. Now this is from an account with the ninja u want for arena & very good intiative. Seriously if its struggling cant imagine the annoyance for those with terrible intiative o.o.
This post was last edited by mar***@gmail.com at 2017-5-23 11:46 -
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 49
- Posts: 1169
- UchihaShay On 2017-05-23 07:08:37
- then u shouldnt even be allowed to do arena, if people do that, and Oasis knows it, u can actually prevent arena for 60 days in the code for the new servers, call it unfair, but is it fair that people cheat their way up to sage of six paths, through alt account while others doing legit way, telling you, this game has these flaws, i agree could make a difference in someone who wants to be competitive.
I think you didn't understand at all what he said. He said that him, like 90% of the players, didn't even bother to do it when they had the chance to do it because or they had no idea about their arena would become cross server at the 61st day or because they had no idea about how arena rewards worked since it was in their very early ingame experience or because they would have never thought that with the cross server abilited their chance to rank up would be zero for tens of weeks. Most of them (I'm one of those) looked at rank arena after they reached level 60, so after the first season ended, and actually waited for the server to go cross server because their queues were infinite before, hoping with briefer queues to rank up easierly, thinking they would be matched with people like them. There were no rule that stated: "after cross server is enabled you will be matched only with people that got their rank resetted because they reached once sage of six paths. 99% of them have 8-9k more initiative than you". You fail also to remember that the first season in arena was closed a lot after servers in 300-350 range had their two months safety zone ended so they didn't even had the chance to take a look at people from their server that actually got the rewards from their first season.
This post was last edited by ayr***@yahoo.com at 2017-5-23 18:04 -
-
-
- Registered: 2017-07-24
- Topics: 163
- Posts: 2514
- UchihaShay On 2017-05-23 07:08:37
- then u shouldnt even be allowed to do arena, if people do that, and Oasis knows it, u can actually prevent arena for 60 days in the code for the new servers, call it unfair, but is it fair that people cheat their way up to sage of six paths, through alt account while others doing legit way, telling you, this game has these flaws, i agree could make a difference in someone who wants to be competitive.
When my server went in the cross server circuit was around the first week of march. At that point the first season of arena was still to be over so none here knew that our negative points would have been kept even if we didn't reach sage of six path rank. We thought, and was more than normal to think so, that our rank would be kept but our positive/negative points would have been reset at the beginning of every new season since was common sense that this would have happened.
None ever from the managament, before the 2nd arena season began, had stated that only sage of six paths people would have had their points (and beware i'm talking about points, not rank) resetted at the end of a season.
If they stated it before and if they told us that even reaching superkage after it went cross server would have been impossible for the following 6 months at least, maybe a lot more of us would have planned a lot differently in advance.
Anyways whatever you think about it the point of this whole mess is that all the people here thinks the same way as me about arena and the reason why we don't join ranked arena anymore is because we know we have only to lose by doing it.
If we knew our points would get reset every season (i would be ok even with rank reset) or if we knew that losing against somebody that just once reached sage of six paths doesn't make us lose any points then we would join back again (since basically we are meeting only them right now when we join).
Right now we don't do it because we have no chances to rank up after kage and there's no personal skill or accessible lineup that could let us do it (and just to state is bluntly naruto 6 tails, bee sst, earth main, kk gaara isn't an accessible lineup).
This post was last edited by 988***@uf16 at 2017-5-23 23:10 -
Quicky Post
Reply
Log in in order to Post. LOGIN | Register
You have selected 1 Topic.
Reason:
Confirm
You did not select a Topic.!
You have selected 1 Topic.
Confirm
You did not select a Topic.!
Report
Confirm
You did not select a Topic.!
You have selected 1 Topic.
Confirm
You did not select a Topic.!
You have selected 1 Topic.
Confirm
You did not select a Topic.!
You have selected 1 Topic.
Confirm Delete Selected Topics？
Reason:
Confirm
You did not select a Topic.!
You have selected 1 Topic.
Confirm Delete The post you selected？
Reason:
Confirm
You did not select a Topic.!
Ban (for this Section)
Confirm
You did not select a Topic.!
