By placing us in the very bottom of the old spacetime bracket, less than 2 days before season ends; none of us has any chance at the post season.

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Note the "rank, points, and what opponents are there"
This post was last edited by IamAscrub at 2017-5-16 21:56

I was coming to post the same thing.

Changing bracket is one thing (even if it seemed more logical to move 291 with the 4 other). But what really bugs me is the fact that I won't get anything from strongest ninja in this cycle. Just like I'll loose space-time coins.

actually changing bracket is the worst possible thing, overall for our servers that were the 4 oldest in the previous bracket (so the ones with the highest average initiative and power) that instantly became the 4 youngest in the new bracket (so the ones with the lowest average initiative and power).
They instantly removed, for no apparent reason, 36 hours before the beginning of the strongest ninja tournament almost half of the people that were supposed to be chosen there as top 128 (because at least 40 of the top 128 people were in our 4 servers).

Yep, thanks for ruining one of the few enjoyable parts of the game.

oasis be like This post was last edited by Yepp at 2017-5-17 00:28

I was confused when I saw the news about getting merged with 291 which was not in our bracket.
Why did you move us into another bracket?

Oasis Team in action...

Hey

We're currently investigating the reason behind the bracket switch.
However, I personally think it's due to the age of the servers becoming what they are. Which could lead to them shifting the overall merger to 291's bracket.
I could be wrong, however, But I'll let you guys know the official statement after investigating.

Be patient.

As for the spam posts, Warnings will be handed out. Especially if you're not contributing to the topic.

Regardless of if a shift is appropriate, it should NOT be done less than 2 days before strongest ninja tournament; since the shift reset points to zero, meaning everyone that got shifted are artificially locked out of the tournament.

The point reset thing is... complicated.
Now, obviously it's not fair for it to be reset for the 4 servers that were merged up. But it would have also been unfair if they were not reset.
Fact is, being the 4 oldest server in your bracket, chances are you guys occupy a large chunk of the high ranked players, gathering a large amount of points. Let's say there 40 of the top 80 in your old bracket is composed of player from those 4 servers, which isn't unrealistic. Those 40 would, therefore, have more or less the same number of points as the player in the top 80 of the new bracket, in other words, more than the bottom 40 of the top 128 of the new bracket. And therefore, if you guys kept your points, you would have bumped 40 people or so off the top 128 in the new bracket, people, who by virtue of being in top 128 in a bracket where every server is older than yours, that are probably stronger than most of the 40. That would have been unfair too.

So whether you guys kept your point or not, if you guys gets moved a bracket, it will be unfair to somebody.

That said, this problem would have been mitigated if it was done at a different time.
First, if it was done at the start of a season, when everyone was "fresh" so a point reset does nothing. This would be ideal. Of course, this season's ranking battles overlapped with last season's final, and there might be logistical issues with being in the ranking of one bracket but the final of another. Thou I suspect that this is due to the fact that the feature was introduced in the middle of the month and will not be an issue in future seasons, each season being one month with half month of ranking and half month of final, no overlap needed.
Or, alternatively, if there are more days left to go, there could have been a reasonable solution. Give all players of your server a fixed amount of "starting points" that's equal to the point of the say 100th ranked (by point) player of the new bracket. This way, for however many days left, people would have a reasonable chance of fighting it out for the last 30 or so spots in the top 128 in the new bracket. This should reasonably select the best out of all the players in the new-new bracket for the final. While it's possible that of the movers, someone who could otherwise placed in the top 20 (via super ptw) is now merely a rank 90-100, fact is that all that matters is actually reaching the final and exact placement don't matter if you do, so all is well.
So timing could have solved so many problems.

That said, some player feels that moving a server to a different bracket is unfair in and of itself. Well, my opinion on this is "sort of". The part that is unfair, to me, is the whole mess it can create when it is done. However, fundamentally speaking, moving a server from top of one bracket to the bottom of another is fair. Fact of the matter is, no server really deserve to be always on the top or bottom of the bracket, having a server stuck in either position is what is truly unfair. If true fairness is to be concerned, the the bracket should shift every season so that the separation point is constantly changing so that no server, except the oldest server period, will ever always be on top or bottom. So you really shouldn't complain about shifting bracket, because all that does is show your own selfishness.

That said, given the problem that could come with shifting bracket, as evident by this episode, it really shouldn't be done unless Oasis had a watertight procedure that can be followed. As it is, this is an epic fail.

As far as "solving" the problem goes. Unless they can split the server, at least until end of the "season"(potentially post season), the best is probably handing out reasonable compensation to the 4 servers to the players who WERE in top 128, different comp depending on the exact ranking. Fact of the matter is, given the tiny amount of time left, there really is no truly fair way to solve the problem, as giving points to the player of the 4 servers so that they can get to 128 will certainly bump out others from the new bracket and there simply isn't time for the "system" to "right itself" so that only the truly qualified gets placed. So instead of bumping people from a lot more assorted server and spreading the problem in cascading failure fashion, limiting the damage to a fixed population in order to more easily hand out compensation is probably the better solution.

About how to solve this matter the reply is very simple. They move 291 with next event maintenance in the previous bracket of the other 4 servers (since they didn't get anything out of their previous season), they send top 16 rewards to anybody that was in top150 among the people in those 4 servers as consolation reward and the issue is overcome.

@Tobei: if we have to think you didn't do it on purpose hoping they began to spend billions then, as this guy said, you acted really poorly. Your devs simply added the player lists of the 4 servers to s291 one without caring about ingame consequences. If you made the things caring about people you would have added te lists to server 302 instead of 291 since they had the highest hp wb among the 5 servers and you wouldn't have damaged all this people so much because you would have moved a server only to a new spacetime bracket, overall a server that in its previous bracket had 0 chances to even be in top400.

This post was last edited by ayr***@yahoo.com at 2017-5-17 17:50

Space time perhaps could have froze the servers in a sense - once the new season starts, the space time bracket would have the same servers participating throughout. This way, it would not be affected by any changes to the actual server itself, like merges. For example, when the new season starts at 17th May, all the participating servers in that bracket would be recorded into the servers as one cluster, and will not be touched or changed throughout the entire season of participation. Only when the next season starts, that the new changes in the servers would be included.

Of course, I have no way of knowing whether this is something that is within the means of development, so there's that. This post was last edited by PoisonScrub at 2017-5-17 21:00

No what happened is simply that their player lists were removed from their previous servers and added to server 291 one just because was the oldest one, so, for the cross server things, all of them are like new players just now created in s291.

so hmm... any news?

Any updates for us Tobei?

Just wanted to add another not nice thing i noticed today. We changed bracket also in matsuri challenge (I always suspected we had the same bracket as Spacetime, now is a proof). Don't you think this is a bit too much to endure for our four servers? Overall when I go to the previous thread where people ask to get merged and i don't see any requests from server 291 (just wanted to point out that all this mess comes out of the fact that you merged us with them)?

This post was last edited by 988***@uf16 at 2017-5-20 03:09

No it's not (too much to endure etc)
What makes you guys entitled to being on the top of the bracket all the time?

Ideally, brackets should shift as often as possible so that any server that is on top of a bracket is also on the bottom half the time (minus the first server, since there are no older ones). Seeing as you guys have had the fortune of being on top of the masuri brackets for at least 2-3 months, there is really no grounds for you to complain until another 2-3 month passes with you on the bottom.

To be clear, their execution as far as space time is concerned is horrible. However, bracket shift in and of itself is fine, in fact it's more fair than w/o the shift. In fact, they should figure out ways to shift brackets ALL THE TIME (without f***ing up space time that is)

How nice to be called entitled by someone who has nothing to do in this and who actually has nothing to offer outside of empty words about the issue.

But back to the point and to follow what you just said, what is fairness when it comes to S291 ? After all, they're still the "youngest" server in this bracket, nothing was done for them...
As for the reality of the situation (which I suspect you don't know), the power gap between oldest and newest server is way more important in this particular bracket than it was in the previous. Actually, the winner of the previous bracket weren't from the merged servers.
What people are asking for is an explanation about this (actually, it also means less people and less competition in the bracket that lost 4 servers and some of the most active ones). If it was voluntary or not and if the issue is reversible or not.

We also want to know if we will receive any compensation about the lost season of strongest ninja (we had no chance to qualify in 2 days in a new bracket).
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It's still under investigation.

However, like I said before. It's most likely due to the age of the server.
Regardless of what is said here, It won't change the brackets, nor will servers shift. It'll remain the way it is.

We're also made aware that players that shifted from brackets were receiving double the rewards from Space-Time.
Anyway, Investigation is still in progress, I'll let you guys know what will come from it.