goodbye sir:lol

well man if your patience is that good in wich you will wait 1+ years for a ninjas, well then you got my congragulations...i am not that strong myself.But bare in mind that when you will eventually have that ninja you've been saving for over 1 year, that ninja would have been obsolete for 7 months now

well.. jmedal is NOT OP , it gives little more rewards during events and thats it , aside from coupons thats only like 20 a day , total 600 a month

people who spend on jmedal are not same as people who spend on power ~
please dont mix them up :3

Amongst all the effed-up things in this game, you cry about Jonin Medal.

Regarding the not having every top-tier ninja: well, yeah, but if those p2w guys are willing to spend THOUSANDS of dollars into the game, i say they do deserve those meta-tiers. After all, us f2ps are playing on their expense. (Though I do wish that the devs made an effort to not fodderize the f2ps so much, but what can you do)

Also, most progression games are about patience and grinds. Srr man.

I'm just going to nix this point.

As someone how has the medal, I bought it as an avenue towards gaining power.

Accelerated XP Gain.
Better performance on Tails, increasing chances of obtaining coupons & a higher amount of coins.
More coin from Survival & Instances, allowing an accelerated ability to strengthen items
0 Cooldown time on Ranked Battles, means I don't waste an hour of my time on Mission Mobilisation missions.

Primary reason for purchasing the Jonin Medal is better time management potential & the sheer convenience it affords it's user.

That is true, everything is rigged from the moment on you choose it. Everything is already determined what you are going to get.
Example:
TI rewards, you don't need to choose, just click on return, no matter what, it is already determined what you are going to get, even if you choose.
That's basically how everything works in this game.
They don't have "randomness" in there, no percentual no rates nothing which I think makes the game less fun but not un-enjoyable.

I'm just gonna put this out here, It is possible to get Tendo, just really hard, like you mentioned with Sasuke, but Jinchuriki treasures have the same rare rates, it's just around 200 for a Super Rare, not a rare.

If you think it's the most balanced, then wtf are the other games you? it does not justify that it's balanced anyway, it MIGHT be the most balanced out of what ever you are comparing it with, but it's not balanced at all, it's totally unbalanced.
Arena is the most balanced event out of the all, yet still *s ass, survival is somewhat balanced as well, better than Arena, but you are fighting vs AI there.
Everything else is bs, Sage World is bs since high powers are grinding on 10-20k lower powered guys.

At lower levels the power difference like 5k is nothing, still equally powerful, at higher 70-80lvl 2k power difference is a big deal, not to mention 10k difference which is like a whole different universe.

Tons of events promoting pay to win players, like...70-80% of the game promotes pay to win players, every event is made in a way to would show you how you are pathetic without paying money and power up yourself faster in order to beat others or be equal, otherwise you are stuck to be a loser, and if you give in to the temptation of using money, you have lost yourself.

If you mean 200 as if it's approximate seal scroll spending, then you are wrong, it's not about how many seal scrolls you spend, or around which number you might get it, no...it's the luck/chance % of getting, you might as well get it at the first draw, and it would be like 1% chance of getting, it's just that each time the % grows, but it's not a guaranteed draw anyway even if you can reach 50% of chance.

lol some people haven't looked up the definition of "balanced" apparently https://media.giphy.com/media/RBeddeaQ5Xo0E/giphy.gif

In programming there is no such thing as already-set-out or determined prize, it's just the % of chance for each item, whether it's 50% you can get this or that, or it's set to 5% you might get this or that...depends of the item I suppose, but there is no such thing as "it already sets out for you what you will get, despite what it shows", the items it shows is what you can get, but each item has a % of chance you might or might not get it.

Actually you get a super rare at or before(usually at) multiples of 400, Tendo is a super rare. Now, you could get one of the other super rare, like Hashirama, instead, but I believe there is also a rule that you don't get repeats until you get a certain number of ninjas of that quality (which is why in sage treasure, all 3 are GUARANTEED in 180, whereas no kage rare is guaranteed). I think it's 3 or something but in any case, thing is you will most definitely receive tendo within either 800 or 1200 pulls (is sasori is SR in there? I'm not sure, he's listed in the treasure but I don't really see ppl pull him, and he's the SR of sage)

But anyway, 400 is the number, not 200, not exactly easy to reach but it's there.

unless u can show me a spreadsheet with factual proof of this, i should just take ur word on this? Things "might" not be determined beforehand but some people get lucky and some people don't. There is no proof of the % on things u can get or not. the only problem is in this too many things are based on gambling.
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You start to have a chance at getting a rare in kage treasures on your third 10-pull and guaranteed one on your 6th I believe.

in sage treasure all 3 rares are NOT guaranteed, i've seen people pull 180 times and get duplicates of orochimaru traitor and ao within their first 180 pulls.

i don't know if its possible to pull dupes of SR ninjas before puling them both or not, while i dont know anyone who has i wont disregard the possiblility until a mod confirms it.

sasori 100 puppets is SR of sage treasure not tendo treasure.

I do think hard p2w don't really get the feel of unfairness.
Let me try to explain:

There is a world where arena is offlimits, where 9tails is 1 or 2 atacks in auto and you can go away because you have your 10 coupons, where sage it's just leaving your char in auto. A world where you log in everyday to do the same routine stuff, saving stuff, to try to get that char you need for a better gameplay.

That said, it's not a game any more, more like a slot machine. Insert and repeat.

That being said: When do f2p complain or when do near f2p complain? When the human nature calls for balance check. Do you see major games not doing a thing to fight for gameplay and strategic tought with their chars? Ofc there is a time bound where one char or a team might get the edge.. but as accentuated like this game? No.

Regarding those who calling there are many p2w games out there. Wrong, there are many p2A(dvantage) there, but not many has hard like this one. *, this game even created his own p2w balance.

And when do hard p2w players complain? When one main uber char they have dosent work, or because the events they are paying are not giving. Nothing more; once a p2w quits, he quits in silence because he knows he paid money, when f2w quit arguing about unfairness because they paid with effort and time. And you say: "but they are not paying for the game". Are you cucking serious? i pay as many 10 bucks per month for maintaining a physical server with many servers with code with basically only translations of what was already done in the past YEARS... Hard p2w players are not paying anything for anyone.

I quit arena, half survival, doing dailys only, searching for mates for TI and Wanted, and Sealed.. It's starting to be a burden.

And you hard P2W people should be on the side of F2W or nearF2W (new class created by this game), not by the side of a game that created a ton load of 'unfair' threads; more than anything. Because if we argue and try to make a point and they just simple don't listen, it remains for you to defend a balance, else in the end, all of you will end with empty servers full of hardP2W.

It's you hardP2W that would want the most to change the game.

What made me write this all? Another server beginning player quits.

EDIT1: Do you guys actualy know why that sakura blessing apears? Because of chinese! They love thos things and base spending on those things. Ridiculous right? Sigh..
EDIT2: Edo tensei is coming. Nothing changes.



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Whales (spend a lot), dolphins (spend some) and minnows (spend none) have existed since the creation of the concept of P2W. It is something not unique to this game.

Whales compete against other whales and strong dolphins, dolphins compete with other dolphins and strong minnows and the minnows compete with everyone. When the minnows get shafted by the game policy or lack of viable chance at competition they leave and once the minnows leave the dolphins start to leave and once they are gone the whales have no reason to stay.

It's a game! In case you didn't noticed Whales, dolphins and minnows are in the same cuking aquarium, not divided like in your pretty well written world. There are no limits of interaction like you romantically written. This post was last edited by 390***@uf16 at 2017-3-23 06:22

1. I never said you won't get duplicate from sage before 180, i said you'd get all 3 by 180. There are chances, albeit low, of rares dropping early and that could cause dupes within 180.
2. Ao, for example, can be gotten from kage treasure as a common. Are you sure it was dupe from sage (drawing twice from sage) and not drawing a dupe in sage of what you got in kage.

I'm fairly sure that you will not get dupe rares in sage before you get all 3, which puts it at latest 180. I say this because this is what I have experienced, what my group mates (and some outside my group on my server) have said to have happened and, until your post, what everyone on the forum have said.
Given that, it is much more likely that you or the "people" you've "seen" are mistaken as opposed to everyone else.
On that note, there are quite a few posts QQ about dupe summons after the 4th gold or something, sometimes many times in a row. I have yet to see a single one that complaints about the first 2 or 3 gold summon being dupe (which if happened, people will much more likely screaming about since it would be a far worse thing). Given that, it's highly probable that summons have a mechanic that prevents dupe gold until you get 3 or 4 different ones. And if so, it would make sense for such a mechanic to also exist for sealed treasures and therefore supports my theory there.


Sasori 100 is listed in Tendo, I don't know what rarity it is. I don't really do Tendo.

well you have bad luck bro i had 4 packs from free and i got x2 20 1x10 and 1x30