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1＃ Go ToOnoki drew the short end of the auto barrier ninja pool. His best quality is that he has a low cost aoe mystery and his barrier buffs 3 elements opposed to 2 like the other barrier ninjas. However, he's severely underperforming compared to them.
Active barriers:
Darui'sbarrier gives him an extra standard while it's active.
Danzo's barrier gives him the ability to chaos the enemy in front of him.
Mei's barrier gives her the ability to poison two random enemies.
Gaara's barrier gives him the ability to shield two ninjas in your team.
Onoki'sbarrier doesn't give him any extra ability.
Status effects:
Darui causes paralyze on mystery and chase.
Danzo causes chaos with active barrier and immobile on chase
Mei causes immobile on chase, ignite on mystery, poison with active barrier, and accupuncture on standard
Gaaracauses immobile on chase
Onoki causes 0 status effects to anyone.
Sure, he gets a chance to cause interrupt on a standard attack, but how many people leave their nonprompt mystery users in the open for him to have a chance to interrupt someone on a standard attack? And to not forget that he breaks his back pretty often. It makes me laugh, but it is very impractical. Gaara is better for Wind and Earth teams and Danzo for Fire. And his passive to give someone a second attack c*so do more harm than good in some instances.
;P Conclusion: Oasis hates Onoki compared to the other barrier ninjas.
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If anything, he's just made as an offensive boost, He's the most versatile of the barrier, covering 3 different types as opposed to two, and that also makes up for him not having an extra ability, he's underestimated due to his backache, but if that thing hits, it does major damage, He also gives an extra move to someone, just like Kurotsuchi. If they got rid of his backache, he'd be more reliable due to interruption, maybe with skilll books, I haven't looked into them yet.
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ohnoki's mystery is also a large aoe for 40 chakra compared to gaara who is 80 chakra or mei who is 60, if anything dies to that mystery then it cant be rezed as well. plus on ranked or gnw the boost to 3 elements helps more than the status effects of the others(unless ur rich and have a full lightning line up with susano sasuke tendo pain ay etc) -
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- Resilliance On 2017-03-13 03:56:42
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If anything, he's just made as an offensive boost, He's the most versatile of the barrier, covering 3 different types as opposed to two, and that also makes up for him not having an extra ability, he's underestimated due to his backache, but if that thing hits, it does major damage, He also gives an extra move to someone, just like Kurotsuchi. If they got rid of his backache, he'd be more reliable due to interruption, maybe with skilll books, I haven't looked into them yet.
Yeah, that's true. I used him in my teams for a while after getting him and then I got Kage Gaara.
Tried out Kage Gaara in place of him and it was just 100x better with immobile chase and shielding. If they just gave Onoki a control status effect like everyone else, he would be a lot better to utilize. -
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- Shadoblaze On 2017-03-13 04:03:14
- ohnoki's mystery is also a large aoe for 40 chakra compared to gaara who is 80 chakra or mei who is 60, if anything dies to that mystery then it cant be rezed as well. plus on ranked or gnw the boost to 3 elements helps more than the status effects of the others(unless ur rich and have a full lightning line up with susano sasuke tendo pain ay etc)
I love Onoki's mystery. It is one my favorite mysteries to use, but the rest of him just makes him less-than the others. With all the ways to gain chakra, 60 and 80 chakra cost isn't much of an issue most of the time, unless you're like me and run Kisame. :P But yeah, I know there are good points to him. I just think he lacks in a lot more ways than the other barrier ninjas.
I disagree on the boost to 3 elements helping more than status effects in the war. Can't counter people with a 3 element barrier and if they win the barrier then you're just out of luck. -
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- Niji On 2017-03-13 04:10:17
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I love Onoki's mystery. It is one my favorite mysteries to use, but the rest of him just makes him less-than the others. With all the ways to gain chakra, 60 and 80 chakra cost isn't much of an issue most of the time, unless you're like me and run Kisame. :P But yeah, I know there are good points to him. I just think he lacks in a lot more ways than the other barrier ninjas.
I disagree on the boost to 3 elements helping more than status effects in the war. Can't counter people with a 3 element barrier and if they win the barrier then you're just out of luck.
u may not be able to counter them but u have more ninjas doing 40% more damage which helps alot. if u had 1 earth 1 wind and 1 fire team(i know not likely to happen but still) then u have all ninjas doing 40% more damage compared to a gaara only giving 66% of ninjas 40% more damage.
and when the opponent uses a cbp hidan and u kill it with ohnoki myst thats a huge advantage that the other barrier ninjas dont give u.
for the "if they win the barrier then you'e out of luck" comment, that goes for ALL passive barrier ninjas since without their barrier they dont get their extra effects, no shields no chaos no poison no bonus attacks.
yes he lacks any debuffs but he makes up for it with other utility -
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- Shadoblaze On 2017-03-13 04:27:46
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u may not be able to counter them but u have more ninjas doing 40% more damage which helps alot. if u had 1 earth 1 wind and 1 fire team(i know not likely to happen but still) then u have all ninjas doing 40% more damage compared to a gaara only giving 66% of ninjas 40% more damage.
and when the opponent uses a cbp hidan and u kill it with ohnoki myst thats a huge advantage that the other barrier ninjas dont give u.
for the "if they win the barrier then you'e out of luck" comment, that goes for ALL passive barrier ninjas since without their barrier they dont get their extra effects, no shields no chaos no poison no bonus attacks.
yes he lacks any debuffs but he makes up for it with other utility
I know he has advantages to him and that he like any ninja if used right can be really good, but I still think his utility isn't as good as the others.
Also, I know winning the barrier goes for all passive barriers. ^^ But remove Onoki's barrier and most of what he's useful for is gone down the drain (in my perspective). The others still have their aoe debuffs and control chases that make them more functional than Onoki. -
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Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but at least with the wording, his barrier passive says, "buffs earth, wind and fire if a barrier is active" now...this doesn't neccessarily mean that it's his barrier. Maybe it's just worded wrong, but if it's worded correctly, then it means that you can launch another barrier, and you can get not only the buffs from that barrier, but also onoki's additional buff because a barrier is active
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- Niji On 2017-03-13 04:06:31
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Yeah, that's true. I used him in my teams for a while after getting him and then I got Kage Gaara.
Tried out Kage Gaara in place of him and it was just 100x better with immobile chase and shielding. If they just gave Onoki a control status effect like everyone else, he would be a lot better to utilize.
I kinda did the same things, I used him until I got Darui, and still use him to this day. Sure, I thought Darui's dmg was lackluster, but he made up for it in his special and all that paralysis, like, seriously, I can paralyze entire teams, and his barrier supports 4/5 of my team (Counting Main's water clone, otherwise 3/4). -
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- On 2017-03-13 04:45:40
- Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but at least with the wording, his barrier passive says, "buffs earth, wind and fire if a barrier is active" now...this doesn't neccessarily mean that it's his barrier. Maybe it's just worded wrong, but if it's worded correctly, then it means that you can launch another barrier, and you can get not only the buffs from that barrier, but also onoki's additional buff because a barrier is active
It's not worded properly. Only one barrier is active at a time and only the person with the active barrier buffs the ninjas with the corresponding elements. -
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- Niji On 2017-03-13 05:03:34
- It's not worded properly. Only one barrier is active at a time and only the person with the active barrier buffs the ninjas with the corresponding elements.
I don't know. I understand that barriers cancel each other out, but onoki is the only one to say "if a barrier is activated" -
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- On 2017-03-13 05:12:00
- I don't know. I understand that barriers cancel each other out, but onoki is the only one to say "if a barrier is activated"
Wording is definitely wrong, you can cancel the kage's passive barrier with "manual" barrier.
It can be used to outplay and overwrite vs someone who has kage in their team -
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Well not every ninja is made to be good in every scenario. Some ninjas shine in big team battles, such as team instance and GNW. Onoki is one of those ninjas, a similar category to Hanzo. They have really great kits for large numbers of ninjas but, in a smaller 4v4 battle, they fall short of similar ninjas who do have those added debuffs and crowd controls. It isn't really a design flaw or hatred of the character it's just how the game is. -
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