I was getting higher up to Anbu rank... and then WHAT? People with better team and initaitive than me who are probably spenders... now I'm Anbu with only 12 points...

then those 70% of the time you will most likely get the same person again.

It goes like this, for starters, each "cluster", like I said, only have 50-100 server.
Given how few people actually do arena, the number of participant might be 50 (note a lot of servers are kinda dead, the first 5 of each region might supply 10-20 of that)
The number of people you can be matched to, due to rank, is about 20.
Assuming average of 15s in Q, 15s loading and 3 min battle, only 1/14 of that, or 1-2 of that, is in Q at anytime.
You know who is almost certainly in Q at the same time as you? The person who you just fought who might have also re-Qed immediately, ergo super high chance of getting him again.

If you get someone twice in a row and lose to him (and expect to lose to him if faced again), don't re-Q right away, instead wait around 90s so that he is probably beating up some other poor chap then re-Q, you will likely get a different person.... unless arena is way more dead than what I'm estimating here.

(Also, if your cluster is on the small side due to being a lower server count region or whatever.... well....)


This doesn't convince me, as my waiting times get up to 15-30 minutes at times. It's never as short as 15 seconds, and rarely under 10 minutes (exceptions possible).
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i said EVENTUALLY, it haven't even been a week, it's not "eventually" yet. Given a month long season, usually week 3 and/or 4 is the easiest. week 1-2 is when the ranking "settles" with the high powers moving up and rest suffering. Week 4 might be a mad dash with introduction of some procrastnating high power so it might be hard, also might be easy if there aren't any. So week 3 tend to be the best for lower power players to climb.

Unfortunately, I think the current season might not have the full 4 week... I'm not sure to be honest... and that's a problem. Because there will be higher power player climbing throughout the entire period due to it being so short.

In any case my point was that if we match by power, then ptw will almost always win against ftp, because generally at same power, ptw have higher init (and lower other stuff) as well as employing a number of 3 star rare or even ptw exclusive ninja, whereas ftp gets to the power with 5* commons. Since the * power etc doens't translate into arena, this will mean that the ptw gets to keep more of their power than the ftp and therefore... well... Whereas if we match by rank, than at least a 40k ftp, for example, might beat a "younger" 30-35k ptw.

I only did arena on the evening of day 1 or 2 or so and got matches really quickly.... Haven't really bothered since.

Then the number of eligible opponent must be really low, which explains the repeat (not a lot of option or it'd go quicker) but the question is, why is it so low...
rank limitation and whatnot aside, I'd say that you are probably in a tiny cluster for some reason. I think you are able to chat with your opponent in arena (haven't tried, but you CAN in Xserver masuri so... I assume you can), see if you can find out which server they belong to. Might shed some lights on how arena clustering works...

The only thing i don't like is they put credit and it's hard if you keep losing you won't really get to six paths

Keep On Facing ppl with higher init than me, that aint fair, and i also keep on facing Mabui Mei And gnw tenten cancer teams :l.

all those graphs and you calling people idiot and you don't get that this game is pay to win and this game isn't fair for everyone in the first place and that oasgames is a publisher and not the developer of this game?, i say, DEAL WITH IT! or GIT GUD!

Arena needs to match by BP, not by rank. And it needs to stop removing a point every time you lose. In an ideal implementation of the arena system players would be matched up with an opponent that results in a 50% win chance and 50% loss chance. Thus is makes no sense to remove points when players lose as they would be losing 50% of the time. It would make sense to remove points if it was a true ladder system and the ladder system was not tied to a rewards system and the ladder rank was just a rank and bragging rights and nothing more. But the ladder rank is tied to a rewards system and that is why making players lose points when they lose is bad game design.
The only people I get matched to in Arena now are people who kill half my team by round 2 while I maybe have shaved off about 5% of their total team hp. There is absolutely no way I can win any of these. This is completely unworkable, is a problem that the devs could have and should have expected to occur, and is one they could have and should have controlled for and fixed.


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Losing point would be ok if and only if winning and only winning have a streak (streak reward, but not streak penalty) This way, the overall point of the "world" is slowly increasing. I'm not sure if there is as I'm too lazy to do arena nowdays...

It's true that it would be silly to have a zero sum game, as that means at least some people will get stuck behind forever no matter how much they tried.

they shouldn't give -1 if we lose,,,i mean,, i get 2 winning streak,,after that i get 2 lose streak,,and it goes on and on every single day since the update

fun thing would be in rank arena if you would get only 3 random ninjas to make a team and fight... and the other day those ninjas change that would be fun.

90% of players use sage naruto mei terumi and orochimaru traitor, just these 3 ninjas on the field alone in arena will net you a win, all the fights I have had so far were teams with atleast one of these characters and some had both mei and sage naruto, so whats the point of arena if only p2w play. oh man games used to be fun people played them to have a good time but now everyone plays just to win like in real life, its just SAD

90%.. wow..

And what? This thread still going? Close it already.
There are TWO options only, or you have a decent team to move forward or quit arena. Devs, mods, whoever won't change the script for the game next months... oh, for a moment i forgot i'm a player, i mean, i play this game.

Either the way, my anger:@ following that day of the "graph" passed:victory: as i quitted arena for good. -15 it's quite a cute number to have on it and every month i will receive 5 seal fragments without doing anything!
So, be friendly people, mods mod the forum, they can't really do anything besides trying to behave like mods!

PS:
I really don't know why people say that if you are weak, get 'gud' when if i'm getting good, the rest is also. Illogical. But whatever floats your boat.

I plan to wait a bit till tougher opponents have ranked up a few, then fight with the stragglers until I get to the rank before Six Paths and sit there getting almost max prizes every month until I get lucky and get those super strong pvp ninjas. Then, I'll probably try again.

I'm ftp and I have all 3 of those ninjas.
Except mei, the other 2 are actually not that had to get. The thing is sage treasure don't give repeat until you have all 3, which means it's guaranteed to get both traitor and sage naruto in 180 scroll
mei is more of a chance thing due to the number of rares in kage, so I have to say it was good luck that it was my first one.

True ptw ninjas are the super rares and ptw exclusives. The joy of facing hashirama, tobirama, playboy sasuke, susanno's are what awaits you.

guys, could it be your'e initiative is just very low? on the first day, it was terribly difficult, but as days go on, i noticed the arena matches are much more balanced.. im not too sure if im just lucky, but i managed to hit 6 path today.

my members in my group last few days also did constantly lose (f2p), but few days later, they got 15 wins in a row.. maybe you guys should just try again and see how it goes?

It's normal, since quite a few of the ptw, who obviously win easily according to all the forum whining, would have reached 6 path and for the most part stopped bothering with arena, which will make everything easier.

I've said several times, things get easier as season progresses, so "try again later" is a valid advice, not sarcastic at all.

Personally, I've done 5 yesterday as per the monthly event and won 3. I'm too lazy to take arena seriously right now but meh...

I understand and i agree with you. The longer time it passed the easier it gets to people to get 6path.
But not quite as you expect. There are too many people that are already 6thpath going for a good rank for rewards. Also, not saying that devs thought this trough (clearly they didn't), if you were right, all of us would be 6th path in 3-5 months; because all of us would be stalling ranks for rewards, and how's that for arena endgame?

Besides, the feeling after matchmaking update, the feeling after cross-over, the feeling after last season rewards.. That's not about logic anymore. And if you think devs have more space to change things after they changed repeatedly its a wrong logic process. Remember that they open many new servers in the past months, including mine (november); knowing people quit, they will refrain for touching arena till there is no great convo about it and just change it all again.
Why do you think that for new section POLLS you have to email? Clearly for not you to see the selection. And regarding increase of level cap, is long overdue and they are ready for it already, but again make players feel they accomplished something by submitting thread after thread for so long and watch some "progress"..

This forum is a great place to share stuff and ideas. But not, neither as Oasgames thought it would be (we are not china) nor as players would thought would be.

I will continue to play; i'm number2/3 ranked in this server, -15 in arena (so i crossed arena out of the list).
Thats how you deal with this kind of situation (let me say it took some time to figure it out). If anything is really *, not working, bugged, you just cross it of your list. Nothing will change for months. They have their script based in a implementation of the game in china, and hardly they will change the most important.

That being said, i consider now my rant over this useless, and i feel happy now that there is no response from oasgames in this matter or any other matters. You like the game? Awesome, i like it too! Will i care about where this is going? Are their enough multiple servers with 50 people spread over so they can't group up and demand and make noise? You bet ya.

And thats all about this Naruto Online powered by Oasgames.

Happy dailies everyone!

*cough* close this already mods. i feel you itching.

Sure, my initiative is very low. If matching were the same in in rank as in training, I wouldn't complain. But it isn't, and I go lose-win-lose-win-lose-lose-win-win-lose-win since days, because I always get the same opponents that beat me easily before. At the end of hours of grinding, I stand +/- 0 if I am lucky.