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I'm guessing that matchmaking is purely based on rank and not on credit then, which is why you are getting the same pool of people despite the drop in points.
I'd guess that the enemies are "around" your rank, which means you are probably either anbu or jonin or so.
The thing with start of new season is that all the strong players are dropped to special jonin, and therefore they will be matched against you. My guess is that once they've had their fill and move on to beyond kage, your matchmaking will be more "fair" because the people who are still stuck around your rank are probably people who are also relatively weak compared to those strong people who are now super kage or back to six path.
In any season based event, if the top ranked player get dropped into lower ranks, the first 20-50% of the season would be the most difficult to climb, this have been shown in a number of games. My advice to you is that if you are having trouble, come back and try this again later. -
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- Koncept On 2017-02-22 06:41:14
- Matchmaking is also *! 80% of the time I am queue'd against someone with higher initiative and isn't balanced. It should be matching you with power (current team outside of arena or overall bp) and not rank. Your rank in arena should have zero influence on who you queue against because it's just a rank and has no effect on how powerful you are. I am gonna try arena again today. Pretty sure I am still negative rank, but I will update if I notice any differences. This post was last edited by Koncept at 2017-2-22 06:42
This isn't true, for one thing, init doens't scale with power all the time, especially when it is easy to buy with money. There are ptw with higher init at 30k power than ftp at 45k power. Secondly, given the same power, those who have access to wider array of ninja wins, which is also ptw.
On the other hand, arena rank will EVENTUALLY equalize to the point where player's arena prowess, which is init and ninja compo, will settle into "proper" ranks, so that player of same rank are of roughly same strength. -
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- Rally Vincent On 2017-02-22 07:20:39
- Matchmaking is broken. From my last 10 fights, I had the same guy six times and another one three times. No way is this truly cross server.
Or maybe most people have given up... I mean just look at the number of post on forum about quitting arena!!! -
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- Rally Vincent On 2017-02-22 07:29:31
- But there are over 300 servers, and even if you substract the ervers that aren't older than 60 days, there have to be some other players. And yet, there are only a handful of opponents each day. Something can't be right.
Did you re-Q right after each fight?
If so, it's not surprising at all (I'd explain, but I don't want to give an explanation on an assumption)
If not, arena either have problems, are not fully Xserver(but instead just have clusters) and/or is more dead than I think.
Granted, there probably are clusters, specifically I expect them to be broken down by region. I mean while unlike masuri, which is certainly divided due to event time, arena CAN be fully cross server, I do expect there might be logistical problem with that. So the biggest cluster might be around 50-100 server, if all server of each region are "together" -
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- Rally Vincent On 2017-02-22 07:41:43
- I queue for Arena again right away about 70% of the time. Sometimes I have to check group chat or something else which I can't see from the Arena waiting room.
then those 70% of the time you will most likely get the same person again.
It goes like this, for starters, each "cluster", like I said, only have 50-100 server.
Given how few people actually do arena, the number of participant might be 50 (note a lot of servers are kinda dead, the first 5 of each region might supply 10-20 of that)
The number of people you can be matched to, due to rank, is about 20.
Assuming average of 15s in Q, 15s loading and 3 min battle, only 1/14 of that, or 1-2 of that, is in Q at anytime.
You know who is almost certainly in Q at the same time as you? The person who you just fought who might have also re-Qed immediately, ergo super high chance of getting him again.
If you get someone twice in a row and lose to him (and expect to lose to him if faced again), don't re-Q right away, instead wait around 90s so that he is probably beating up some other poor chap then re-Q, you will likely get a different person.... unless arena is way more dead than what I'm estimating here.
(Also, if your cluster is on the small side due to being a lower server count region or whatever.... well....) -
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- Koncept On 2017-02-22 07:42:55
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This also isn't true I have been at rank 33 for 3-4 days now and majority of the time I am getting people with higher initiative. If it goes by power and level you will get paired with people more fairly then it is now. At the moment it is broken. This is why rank points is flawed. First off starting at the beginning of the month people who are below 30k bp will be placed against people with much higher bp then them because there are both have 1 rank point (12 if they hit six paths) and they will start getting negative points. Which is seeming impossible to get back to positive (speak from experience).
Second reason, as you may know a lot of people quit arena even if getting paired with rank points was more fair. What if no one is in your bracket what happens then? You get paired with someone who is either higher or lower rank points then your self.
Can't think of a third reason at the moment, but the main issue is most people are versing people with higher initiative then themselves running op lineups like (KK Gaara, Sage, Jigo, WB) (Mabui, GNW Tenten, Mei, AF) (Cursed Hidan, MB, Mifune, Darui) ect... I know every lineup can't be countered but if they are running these teams and have higher initiative they will 90% of the time win because you can control them or out damage them if you don't have the initiative.
i said EVENTUALLY, it haven't even been a week, it's not "eventually" yet. Given a month long season, usually week 3 and/or 4 is the easiest. week 1-2 is when the ranking "settles" with the high powers moving up and rest suffering. Week 4 might be a mad dash with introduction of some procrastnating high power so it might be hard, also might be easy if there aren't any. So week 3 tend to be the best for lower power players to climb.
Unfortunately, I think the current season might not have the full 4 week... I'm not sure to be honest... and that's a problem. Because there will be higher power player climbing throughout the entire period due to it being so short.
In any case my point was that if we match by power, then ptw will almost always win against ftp, because generally at same power, ptw have higher init (and lower other stuff) as well as employing a number of 3 star rare or even ptw exclusive ninja, whereas ftp gets to the power with 5* commons. Since the * power etc doens't translate into arena, this will mean that the ptw gets to keep more of their power than the ftp and therefore... well... Whereas if we match by rank, than at least a 40k ftp, for example, might beat a "younger" 30-35k ptw. -
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- Rally Vincent On 2017-02-22 07:52:49
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then those 70% of the time you will most likely get the same person again.
It goes like this, for starters, each "cluster", like I said, only have 50-100 server.
Given how few people actually do arena, the number of participant might be 50 (note a lot of servers are kinda dead, the first 5 of each region might supply 10-20 of that)
The number of people you can be matched to, due to rank, is about 20.
Assuming average of 15s in Q, 15s loading and 3 min battle, only 1/14 of that, or 1-2 of that, is in Q at anytime.
You know who is almost certainly in Q at the same time as you? The person who you just fought who might have also re-Qed immediately, ergo super high chance of getting him again.
If you get someone twice in a row and lose to him (and expect to lose to him if faced again), don't re-Q right away, instead wait around 90s so that he is probably beating up some other poor chap then re-Q, you will likely get a different person.... unless arena is way more dead than what I'm estimating here.
(Also, if your cluster is on the small side due to being a lower server count region or whatever.... well....)
This doesn't convince me, as my waiting times get up to 15-30 minutes at times. It's never as short as 15 seconds, and rarely under 10 minutes (exceptions possible).
This post was last edited by Rally Vincent at 2017-2-22 07:55
I only did arena on the evening of day 1 or 2 or so and got matches really quickly.... Haven't really bothered since.
Then the number of eligible opponent must be really low, which explains the repeat (not a lot of option or it'd go quicker) but the question is, why is it so low...
rank limitation and whatnot aside, I'd say that you are probably in a tiny cluster for some reason. I think you are able to chat with your opponent in arena (haven't tried, but you CAN in Xserver masuri so... I assume you can), see if you can find out which server they belong to. Might shed some lights on how arena clustering works... -
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- On 2017-02-23 03:51:58
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Arena needs to match by BP, not by rank. And it needs to stop removing a point every time you lose. In an ideal implementation of the arena system players would be matched up with an opponent that results in a 50% win chance and 50% loss chance. Thus is makes no sense to remove points when players lose as they would be losing 50% of the time. It would make sense to remove points if it was a true ladder system and the ladder system was not tied to a rewards system and the ladder rank was just a rank and bragging rights and nothing more. But the ladder rank is tied to a rewards system and that is why making players lose points when they lose is bad game design.
The only people I get matched to in Arena now are people who kill half my team by round 2 while I maybe have shaved off about 5% of their total team hp. There is absolutely no way I can win any of these. This is completely unworkable, is a problem that the devs could have and should have expected to occur, and is one they could have and should have controlled for and fixed.
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Losing point would be ok if and only if winning and only winning have a streak (streak reward, but not streak penalty) This way, the overall point of the "world" is slowly increasing. I'm not sure if there is as I'm too lazy to do arena nowdays...
It's true that it would be silly to have a zero sum game, as that means at least some people will get stuck behind forever no matter how much they tried. -
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- Attac an Respec On 2017-02-24 02:48:30
- 90% of players use sage naruto mei terumi and orochimaru traitor, just these 3 ninjas on the field alone in arena will net you a win, all the fights I have had so far were teams with atleast one of these characters and some had both mei and sage naruto, so whats the point of arena if only p2w play. oh man games used to be fun people played them to have a good time but now everyone plays just to win like in real life, its just SAD
I'm ftp and I have all 3 of those ninjas.
Except mei, the other 2 are actually not that had to get. The thing is sage treasure don't give repeat until you have all 3, which means it's guaranteed to get both traitor and sage naruto in 180 scroll
mei is more of a chance thing due to the number of rares in kage, so I have to say it was good luck that it was my first one.
True ptw ninjas are the super rares and ptw exclusives. The joy of facing hashirama, tobirama, playboy sasuke, susanno's are what awaits you. -
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- dKy On 2017-02-24 03:56:58
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guys, could it be your'e initiative is just very low? on the first day, it was terribly difficult, but as days go on, i noticed the arena matches are much more balanced.. im not too sure if im just lucky, but i managed to hit 6 path today.
my members in my group last few days also did constantly lose (f2p), but few days later, they got 15 wins in a row.. maybe you guys should just try again and see how it goes?
It's normal, since quite a few of the ptw, who obviously win easily according to all the forum whining, would have reached 6 path and for the most part stopped bothering with arena, which will make everything easier.
I've said several times, things get easier as season progresses, so "try again later" is a valid advice, not sarcastic at all.
Personally, I've done 5 yesterday as per the monthly event and won 3. I'm too lazy to take arena seriously right now but meh... -
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