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On 2017-02-19 00:10:16Show this Author Only
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  • Praziptat On 2017-02-18 23:58:23
  • ABOUT THE INITATIVE BOUNS WE DON'T MEAN YOU DELETE IT WE MEAN IT BECOMES FOR EVERY CHARACTER IT'S OWN INITIATIVE NOT SOMEONE OUTSPEED MY TEAM INSTANTLY WINS , OMG IS IT HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
Chill on the caplocks. I didn't say we will delete. Read properly again, and plan out your strats. I myself have won against people with higher initiative.
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On 2017-02-19 00:14:29Show this Author Only
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  • Chill on the caplocks. I didn't say we will delete. Read properly again, and plan out your strats. I myself have won against people with higher initiative.
let me give you an example for what i mean , imagine i have a character with 7 and 8s refines and kept stacking refines on this character and all others are on 4s or 5s ,and someone with all his characters on 6s refines he shouldn't outspeed my character that has 7 and 8 refines ,sure let him win barrier and all but HE SHOULDN'T outspeed the character i'm using my highest refines on ...
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On 2017-02-19 00:17:23Show this Author Only
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  • Praziptat On 2017-02-19 00:14:29
  • let me give you an example for what i mean , imagine i have a character with 7 and 8s refines and kept stacking refines on this character and all others are on 4s or 5s ,and someone with all his characters on 6s refines he shouldn't outspeed my character that has 7 and 8 refines ,sure let him win barrier and all but HE SHOULDN'T outspeed the character i'm using my highest refines on ...
I'm not sure about this as I have never experience it before. Maybe direct it to the customer service section as it could probably be a bug.
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On 2017-02-19 00:20:31Show this Author Only
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  • I'm not sure about this as I have never experience it before. Maybe direct it to the customer service section as it could probably be a bug.
isn't this your job to take bugs and send them to the team ?
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On 2017-02-19 00:24:12Show this Author Only
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  • Praziptat On 2017-02-19 00:20:31
  • isn't this your job to take bugs and send them to the team ?
The customer service section handles bugs, suggestions and enquiries. I handle other stuffs.
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On 2017-02-19 00:26:31Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-02-19 00:08:13
  • Alright, let's imagine a scenerio we are talking about a completely new player in a server with the highest level being 60.

    #1, Kyubi, they don't compete fairly, thus a lot lower amount of gold and coupons, therefore limiting resources.
    #2, Rank match, even before they reach level 45, they don't stand a chance climbing the rank. Thus, longer in getting shop ninjas.
    #3) Sage world, self explanatory, you will get kicked out within seconds, whereas if you start in a new server, you stand on even ground.
    #4) Eight inner gates, new players started a lot slower than the rest, therefore weaker runes. Beside, don't forget that they do not get much gold from kyubi by being at the bottom of the board, further limitation on resources.
    #5) Other players are already ahead of you in terms of resources already. Time may allow you to surpass stronger player, but how long will it take to catch up to someone who already have high refines and is getting way more resources?

    Function may be unlocked by levels, but if you are a new player, would you start and play in a old server? Again, I agree with you that interactivity between players is necessary. However, I believe we are not lacking in content.
So every game you play, when you start playing it, will u expect to be top 1 right away? or will u expect to slowly grow in power and catching up others players? This post was last edited by Chu90 at 2017-2-18 11:29
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On 2017-02-19 00:27:42Show this Author Only
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  • Alright, let's imagine a scenerio we are talking about a completely new player in a server with the highest level being 60.

    #1, Kyubi, they don't compete fairly, thus a lot lower amount of gold and coupons, therefore limiting resources.
    #2, Rank match, even before they reach level 45, they don't stand a chance climbing the rank. Thus, longer in getting shop ninjas.
    #3) Sage world, self explanatory, you will get kicked out within seconds, whereas if you start in a new server, you stand on even ground.
    #4) Eight inner gates, new players started a lot slower than the rest, therefore weaker runes. Beside, don't forget that they do not get much gold from kyubi by being at the bottom of the board, further limitation on resources.
    #5) Other players are already ahead of you in terms of resources already. Time may allow you to surpass stronger player, but how long will it take to catch up to someone who already have high refines and is getting way more resources?

    Function may be unlocked by levels, but if you are a new player, would you start and play in a old server? Again, I agree with you that interactivity between players is necessary. However, I believe we are not lacking in content.
Yes, but that's true of any server of any game. Just because they get a bit less doesn't mean they don't get any at all.

Maybe instead of talking about how limited players are of lower power, thus why they keep opening new servers, maybe create content or events that allows players with lower power a chance to get coin some some other source.

Also, even if new content isn't created to allow that, they still have access to other sources where they can get coin and other resources. As I said in the previous post, of course there will be some events where they're limited, but that doesn't mean they're restricted from doing all the other things also available to them. And as far as having a limited amount of energy per day, the top players also have that same energy cap, so that point is irrelevant.

It took me two weeks to match the players on my server. That's it. If I were to make a new character now on that same server, it might take me a week longer, but I'd still be able to get my character up to my level and power as well. Players keep assuming there's some magical thing you need to do in order to gain more power and levels as quickly as possible. There isn't. The only thing you need to do is do everything, daily, until you've exhausted every manner of activity you can do.

Also, who cares how long it takes them. It doesn't matter. If this company is just going to pander to players because they don't want to take the time to build themselves up or because they feel inferior because players who started playing before them are stronger, then this game will never improve. You're always going to have people who complain that their servers are dying.

If you fill a server up, new players will outnumber the old, top players. Eventually new groups will form and people will enjoy playing together, sharing strategy and tutoring new players. Those old, top players are also just that, players, and they want to play with other people as well, regardless of power level. If there are only five people playing on a server and they're all really high ranked, don't you think they'd enjoy their server having new members rather than just keeping them as they are simply because they're too strong? Older, stronger players have experience and knowledge about the game that they can and enjoy passing on to new players, that's also a part of interacting with players through content.

I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. It serves no purpose to have virtually empty servers just so you can make new players feel good about themselves whilst neglecting loyal (and some also paying) customers. This post was last edited by Laliat at 2017-2-18 11:38 This post was last edited by Laliat at 2017-2-18 11:39
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On 2017-02-19 00:59:06Show this Author Only
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  • Laliat On 2017-02-19 00:27:42
  • Yes, but that's true of any server of any game. Just because they get a bit less doesn't mean they don't get any at all.

    Maybe instead of talking about how limited players are of lower power, thus why they keep opening new servers, maybe create content or events that allows players with lower power a chance to get coin some some other source.

    Also, even if new content isn't created to allow that, they still have access to other sources where they can get coin and other resources. As I said in the previous post, of course there will be some events where they're limited, but that doesn't mean they're restricted from doing all the other things also available to them. And as far as having a limited amount of energy per day, the top players also have that same energy cap, so that point is irrelevant.

    It took me two weeks to match the players on my server. That's it. If I were to make a new character now on that same server, it might take me a week longer, but I'd still be able to get my character up to my level and power as well. Players keep assuming there's some magical thing you need to do in order to gain more power and levels as quickly as possible. There isn't. The only thing you need to do is do everything, daily, until you've exhausted every manner of activity you can do.

    Also, who cares how long it takes them. It doesn't matter. If this company is just going to pander to players because they don't want to take the time to build themselves up or because they feel inferior because players who started playing before them are stronger, then this game will never improve. You're always going to have people who complain that their servers are dying.

    If you fill a server up, new players will outnumber the old, top players. Eventually new groups will form and people will enjoy playing together, sharing strategy and tutoring new players. Those old, top players are also just that, players, and they want to play with other people as well, regardless of power level. If there are only five people playing on a server and they're all really high ranked, don't you think they'd enjoy their server having new members rather than just keeping them as they are simply because they're too strong? Older, stronger players have experience and knowledge about the game that they can and enjoy passing on to new players, that's also a part of interacting with players through content.

    I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree. It serves no purpose to have virtually empty servers just so you can make new players feel good about themselves whilst neglecting loyal (and some also paying) customers. This post was last edited by Laliat at 2017-2-18 11:38 This post was last edited by Laliat at 2017-2-18 11:39
I agree completely, and support you fully.

Constantly opening new servers while it maybe makes it a bit easier on lower levels, makes reaching high levels extremely hard, because the servers die before anyone can even reach max level.

in case of server 312 Hotsword, which I believe is still not doing that badly, only on second week GNW actually happened. Since then it's only the 3 remaining guilds over and over and over again.

It's impossible to tell how big this games player base is, but considering amount of dead servers, I can with full conviction say : not enough to justify 250+ servers running.

I do understand they are worried about new players, but what they are doing is completely removing the purpose of having high level content. This post was last edited by raf***@gmail.com at 2017-2-19 01:00
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On 2017-02-19 01:01:13Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-02-18 22:34:34
  • Please note that this is my opinion & observation and in no way represent the team.

    From what I observed, server merge are done within servers that are about the same age. I believe this is to avoid a huge experience gap between the players. The experience gap wouldn't affect players at level 85 much but it will greatly affect players that have not reached level 85 as it means that players from a younger server will be facing higher level players more often. Due to this factor, it would be impossible to match servers based on top player's power or server's power. For example , if we matched server based on power, it would be s100 (older but little p2w) matching with s150 (younger but heavy p2w). There will be even power, but there is a huge experience gap if we were to match by power. Therefore, it will be difficult to merge server down to as few as possible. In my opinion, I would rather merge with server around my server age. I would rather get my ass kicked by one powerful player rather than get my ass kicked by almost everyone in the older server. Anyway, I believe the process to choose the server take a long time, which is why there are only a couple of server merge in every week.

    New servers are always being opened to accommodate new players. New players wouldn't want to start in a old server, nor do they want to wait for a long period of time to start in a new server.

    As for the snarky post on facebook, I'll feedback to the team about it. Thank you for pointing it out!
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"I would rather get my ass kicked by one powerful player rather than get my ass kicked by almost everyone in the older server" You dont play Matsuri often i guess since thats whats happening ...
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On 2017-02-19 01:13:41Show this Author Only
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Function may be unlocked by levels, but if you are a new player, would you start and play in a old server?

Also, they wouldn't be old servers if they were still active servers at the top of the list, accessible to new players to join. Then they would be considered active servers. I wouldn't play in the old servers not because of the top players, but because the company has neglected them and they're virtually empty of players.

Poor management is to blame for this happening, not the top players.
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On 2017-02-19 01:47:00Show this Author Only
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Regarding server merges. You let a server 3 month old and with less than 100 players get arena updated w/o thinking that would block ascension in ranks for many and paying back with something like "we are sorry you couldn't understand what we wrote". Communication is good, improve that, but also correcting unfairness. Watching people getting all those frags after 1 month of waiting for those rewards really kills the mood.
Frustration is the word.

Regarding future polls, until actual actions, just seems another tactic to make people feel fulfilled (as it is with server merges threadS).

PS: it starts with unfairness like that, and one mistake trigger (one deleted tool lvl1 mistake) to make people quit, and i just saw a mate quitting like that, now the person i played with is gone and here i am watching the group offline time.
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On 2017-02-19 01:53:25Show this Author Only
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  • Laliat On 2017-02-19 01:13:41
  • Function may be unlocked by levels, but if you are a new player, would you start and play in a old server?

    Also, they wouldn't be old servers if they were still active servers at the top of the list, accessible to new players to join. Then they would be considered active servers. I wouldn't play in the old servers not because of the top players, but because the company has neglected them and they're virtually empty of players.

    Poor management is to blame for this happening, not the top players.
I never blamed top players from the start. They had a head-start simply because they started in day 1 of the server. Anyway, we are going round-and-round with this discussion and this will bring nowhere because I'm just stating my opinion and I have no power over server opening whatsoever.

I actually do agree with most of your points, and I do hope you will give a feedback/suggestion through the poll/system that was implemented. I will talk about it with the team once I have the chance.
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On 2017-02-19 01:53:45Show this Author Only
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  • Laliat On 2017-02-18 23:13:09
  • That's also understandable. But like all MMO's, there will always be old and new players. You don't see other MMO's constantly opening up new servers just because new players don't want to take the time to build themselves up just because the current players on that server are already stronger than they are. This mindset doesn't make any sense.

    It also prevents stronger players from interacting with new players, building stronger groups by inviting and tutoring them on how to play the game, etc. It seems the company has no idea what players actually want and do things based on assumptions. What players want are stable, active servers. When players stop playing on a particular server, it's not because there are players that are stronger than they are, it's because people come and try the game, become bored or busy, stop playing, but because new servers are opening up, new players are less and less likely to join their server because it's no longer at the top of the list. So, if players quit due to boredom and no new players join, the current players just quit that server and join a new one because that server is currently full and active.

    Players crave interaction and activity. This is what keeps people playing. Neglect that and players will move on to something else. This post was last edited by Laliat at 2017-2-18 10:14
"You don't see other MMO's constantly opening up new servers just because new players don't want to take the time to build themselves up just because the current players on that server are already stronger than they are. This mindset doesn't make any sense."

What you are pointing out makes less sense then the "ilogic" of the server setup. Your idea of having less/none new servers actually "forces" new players to become p2w right away or there is no chance for them to even show up for anything. 9tail they are rank 1000, sage, they will be out faster then they enter, matsuri maybe a bit fun and luck there.
There are what 300-400server number now. So like 100-200 servers in total, merged etc. Now lets go with your idea of having none-to almost no new servers.


Server 1-50 is one group
Server 51-100 2nd group
Server 101-150 3rd
Server 151-200 4th
Server 201-250 5th
Server 251-300 6th
Server 301-350 7th

There is what around 5000-10000 active players in total (im just guessing now).
lets divide them on the 7servers we have and we end up with 715-1429 per server. Lets say each of the servers have a minimum of 1-2months before the new group is made. The 8th group where Server 351-400 comes.

A person that comes across this game and logs on one of the prew server is honestly making that server dead since according to your philosophy they should "learn" from the older server and then move on to the new one once they open. I dont see it so wrong if they do it this way but still you will have 700-1500 ppl on each server which would result a powergap you would hate more then ever. The game would litterly turn this way: P2W players gather on one part of the groups. All from semi-to heavy since they all want to compete, and the f2p ppl would have to make up the feeding groups. The p2w groups could go as far as plunder everytime someone does a SS convoy - one more reasource killed for f2p. No chance on 9tail, you are stuck with wishing three and hoping you dont deal with them on matsuri and that the company gives freebees that would benefit the f2p players more then the p2w which would result WITHOUT ANY DOUBT into what you are trying to with this "boycot".

Very few people would spend money on a game where f2p people have more benefits/advantages then p2w. How? lets say events just give low level refine runes/stones/stregthen, this would balance the game but again it makes the p2w ppl quit the game right away. Because the next cycle would be mediume cloth/refines and once all the f2p are feed with that the game goes to the advanced. Yes this would be a very balanced way to make a game and it would also be very nice if every person on planet earth had his own home,car,everyone having the same salary nomatter what job you work. But just as real world doesnt work that way nor will it work on this game and pretty much any other game. Why?

p2w people on new servers would move to the old servers, you are lower level but having lvl 85cap would give them a chance to catch up lvl. So you are left with the new f2p servers which in common logic as in a perspective of business is "good pr" but worthless to maintain. If the new p2w ppl dont move to the old servers, then your going back to the prew issues mentioned above. 1. Bunch of OP groups giving the rest little chance to gain anything, unless you want to play Naruto Online just because Naruto serie and want to talk with people about it "which there most likely is forums/chats out there for".
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On 2017-02-19 02:04:03Show this Author Only
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  • Regarding server merges. You let a server 3 month old and with less than 100 players get arena updated w/o thinking that would block ascension in ranks for many and paying back with something like "we are sorry you couldn't understand what we wrote". Communication is good, improve that, but also correcting unfairness. Watching people getting all those frags after 1 month of waiting for those rewards really kills the mood.
    Frustration is the word.

    Regarding future polls, until actual actions, just seems another tactic to make people feel fulfilled (as it is with server merges threadS).

    PS: it starts with unfairness like that, and one mistake trigger (one deleted tool lvl1 mistake) to make people quit, and i just saw a mate quitting like that, now the person i played with is gone and here i am watching the group offline time.
I sincerely apologize on behalf of the team for the miscommunication about the arena rewards. Regarding the polls, if it is just another tactic to make people feel fulfilled, we wouldn't have wasted time to create new banner for it, new section, and think about how to communicate with the community over it.

We really do intend to communicate as much as possible with the community.
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On 2017-02-19 02:11:14Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-02-18 21:59:01
  • Trust me, we are trying our best to communicate with players:
    http://forum.naruto.oasgames.com ... 4372&extra=page%3D1

    This is just step 1 of what we are trying to improve on. While I understand that the recent bugs/problems/maintenance time/etc is making the community dissatisfied, we are really trying our best to improve on our communication with our players. This isn't anything like a "post-it-to-look-like-we-care" post. We did brainstorm on how to communicate better with the community for quite some time and I think this idea is worth a look at to be honest.

    My view on arena: some complained unfairness for being matched with someone with BP higher than yours, some complained long matching time, and others complained about no cross server. I don't understand how unfairness work in arena as the only stats you bring in is the initiative bonus. Without this bonus, I believe more people will be complaining about arena as it will become a battle of who used their skill first and who have a better internet connection.

    As for long matching time, I believe this is due to matching to people near your rank and very few people are at that rank matching. I personally never gone beyond 5min~ for a match (I am at Kage right now). However, I believe that there is another bug affecting this matching mechanism for some people/server and we are still in the midst of investigation. T_T

    I can't comment much on server merges as I'm not familiar with it and I do not want to provide any false information. This post was last edited by Narbsy at 2017-2-18 22:01 This post was last edited by Narbsy at 2017-2-18 22:06
Yeah you open new servers for new players and then u let them die im pretty sure u know this too even achroma said that older servers take more time to merge even tho they're dead lul .
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On 2017-02-19 02:30:55Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-02-19 02:04:03
  • I sincerely apologize on behalf of the team for the miscommunication about the arena rewards. Regarding the polls, if it is just another tactic to make people feel fulfilled, we wouldn't have wasted time to create new banner for it, new section, and think about how to communicate with the community over it.

    We really do intend to communicate as much as possible with the community.
Well, arena is going fine right? everybody loves it as it is right? Why listen to dozen reports in the Customer Service when you guys spent 30 mins acepting what should normal standard (talking about communication here) 20 mins altering banner and creating a new thread and telling us to send email when... i dont even know. SORRY about the sarcasm, just read oficial website "Arena Seasons Rewards Announcement". Is it with stuff like joking with people reactions you call communicate? Just read:

“OMG! This Season I’m going to get amazing rewards! I might have never reached Six Paths Sennin, but I’m a Kage! Those rewards are already pretty amazing!”
“Are you kidding with me? I was supposed to get the Kage rank rewards! What is this scam?”
EDIT: For those who dont know, this are quotes of suposedly quotes written on oficial notice:http://naruto.oasgames.com/en/articlelist/news/arena_seasons_rewards_announcement

What the hell is wrong with you guys?

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On 2017-02-19 02:43:31Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-02-19 02:30:55
  • Well, arena is going fine right? everybody loves it as it is right? Why listen to dozen reports in the Customer Service when you guys spent 30 mins acepting what should normal standard (talking about communication here) 20 mins altering banner and creating a new thread and telling us to send email when... i dont even know. SORRY about the sarcasm, just read oficial website "Arena Seasons Rewards Announcement". Is it with stuff like joking with people reactions you call communicate? Just read:

    “OMG! This Season I’m going to get amazing rewards! I might have never reached Six Paths Sennin, but I’m a Kage! Those rewards are already pretty amazing!”
    “Are you kidding with me? I was supposed to get the Kage rank rewards! What is this scam?”
    EDIT: For those who dont know, this are quotes of suposedly quotes written on oficial notice:http://naruto.oasgames.com/en/articlelist/news/arena_seasons_rewards_announcement

    What the hell is wrong with you guys?

    This post was last edited by 390***@uf16 at 2017-2-19 02:33 This post was last edited by 390***@uf16 at 2017-2-19 02:34
Heres a better situation



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On 2017-02-19 02:51:03Show this Author Only
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  • Rekkles On 2017-02-19 02:43:31
  • Heres a better situation



    This post was last edited by Rekkles at 2017-2-19 02:45 This post was last edited by Rekkles at 2017-2-19 02:45
Yeah.. i just noticed, and actually wrote a thread on customer service asking for clarification, because, if im right no matter if i reach Kage in the next seasons, i will always receive less than a genin rank that was six path in the past on their own server. I hope im not right.
Their comunication skills are thru the roof. Just went to read that oficial notice again. Just to make me happy.
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On 2017-02-19 08:06:43Show this Author Only
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  • Rekkles On 2017-02-19 02:43:31
  • Heres a better situation



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stop the use of "this make sense/it doesnt" when your in reality just giving a propozle, One of the reasons the 60day less server cant get rewards could be as simple as the ninjas are RNG based and your not suppost to be able to get them untill after 2months of the game which should open up kage treasure lvl vice by that time,

Just stop using the word mkaes or doenst make sense and pu* as your einstein and figured out how to travle through space by transforming your face into a troll.

If you want to be taken serius well star t writing the same way, You wouldnt go to your teacher and say "hey teacher that other guy in class he does extra x-class beside school so let me get the grades easier" or "hey boss, the guy that does more the company then me that gets paid more then me, i want the same income fo money as him" when you instead could say "hey teacher im not so good at x-class, is there a way you could help me out" or "hey boss, i do need to earn more money can you help me with a solution ont hat"
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On 2017-02-19 08:12:38Show this Author Only
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  • BabaKsA On 2017-02-19 08:06:43
  • stop the use of "this make sense/it doesnt" when your in reality just giving a propozle, One of the reasons the 60day less server cant get rewards could be as simple as the ninjas are RNG based and your not suppost to be able to get them untill after 2months of the game which should open up kage treasure lvl vice by that time,

    Just stop using the word mkaes or doenst make sense and pu* as your einstein and figured out how to travle through space by transforming your face into a troll.

    If you want to be taken serius well star t writing the same way, You wouldnt go to your teacher and say "hey teacher that other guy in class he does extra x-class beside school so let me get the grades easier" or "hey boss, the guy that does more the company then me that gets paid more then me, i want the same income fo money as him" when you instead could say "hey teacher im not so good at x-class, is there a way you could help me out" or "hey boss, i do need to earn more money can you help me with a solution ont hat"
I'm sorry; i'm not even native english, but i can't read what you are saying; but i can say you are implementing RNG in everything. Are you for real? If a game does that, only idiots will spend money.
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