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On 2017-02-01 05:26:57Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Hi,
During level 1-70 I avoided refining and purifying gear for 1 ninja, just to keep my initiative as low as possible on move 4.
Reason for this was to make sure I always was the last person casting barrier in PVP.

Now that I'm 70+ and got auto-barrier ninjas, should I still avoid refining gear for that 1 ninja, or should I start upgrading?
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On 2017-02-01 05:29:31Show this Author Only
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Start refining, because it's always the ninja with the higher initiative who will use their auto-barrier last. This post was last edited by Deatshrine at 2017-2-1 05:31
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On 2017-02-01 05:41:48Show this Author Only
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this makes no sense.
Did a few tests where both barrier poppers were stand at the exact same spot, same move.

Player 1 vs Player 2
Test 1: Gaara 71 init, Onoki 85 (Gaara win)
Test 2: Oniki 1500 init vs Onoki 700 (Onoki 700 win)
Test 3: Onoki 700 init vs Onoki 2100 init (Onoki 2100 win)
Test 4: Onoki 71 init vs Onoki 2100 init (Onoki 2100 win)
Test 5: Onoki 1500 init vs Onoki 85 init (Onoki 85 win)

Player 2 always wins, anyone know what is going on?


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As for using 2 barrier ninjas in same team, the one on the lowerst move (1 > 4) gets the barrier no matter what the Init seems to be.

Is the barrier ninja's priority calculated in another way?
* Combined init of all ninjas
* Seed based on player ID

Same question for Arena, how is the barrier user determined?

This post was last edited by Eplox at 2017-2-1 05:53
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On 2017-02-01 05:48:07Show this Author Only
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Auto barriers depends on the whole team's total initiative.

For instance, say you have mei with an init of 2000; your opponent has danzo with an init of 1500. However the total init for your team is 3000 while your opponent's total init is 6000. Even though your barrier ninja's init is much higher than your opponent's barrier ninja. His barrier will overwrite your barrier because his team's total init is higher.
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On 2017-02-01 05:54:09Show this Author Only
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  • SapphireFalcon On 2017-02-01 05:48:07
  • Auto barriers depends on the whole team's total initiative.

    For instance, say you have mei with an init of 2000; your opponent has danzo with an init of 1500. However the total init for your team is 3000 while your opponent's total init is 6000. Even though your barrier ninja's init is much higher than your opponent's barrier ninja. His barrier will overwrite your barrier because his team's total init is higher.
That makes sense. In this case, player 2 always had a higher combined init than player 1.
Thank you!
This post was last edited by Eplox at 2017-2-1 06:03
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On 2017-04-05 18:35:53Show this Author Only
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thank u for explain this barrier thing :D
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On 2017-04-18 21:10:06Show this Author Only
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I made another try, refuting the "total initiative" hypothesis.
I removed all gear from all my ninjas, took only Mei and my main in my team, being sure that they were free from any equipments.
The opponent was totally stuffed, and my Mei kept her barrier, but in a team with a slower initiative (individually and overall).
I'm confused about that...
Any other hypothesis ? This post was last edited by 114***@google at 2017-4-18 21:16
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On 2017-04-18 23:59:44Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-04-18 21:10:06
  • I made another try, refuting the "total initiative" hypothesis.
    I removed all gear from all my ninjas, took only Mei and my main in my team, being sure that they were free from any equipments.
    The opponent was totally stuffed, and my Mei kept her barrier, but in a team with a slower initiative (individually and overall).
    I'm confused about that...
    Any other hypothesis ? This post was last edited by 114***@google at 2017-4-18 21:16
There are no hypothesis. Team with higher init will put all buffs, debuffs and shileds, including barriers, last. Always, without any exeptions. If you get another output - write about it in support, because it's a bug.
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On 2017-04-26 09:32:14Show this Author Only
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  • On 2017-04-18 21:10:06
  • I made another try, refuting the "total initiative" hypothesis.
    I removed all gear from all my ninjas, took only Mei and my main in my team, being sure that they were free from any equipments.
    The opponent was totally stuffed, and my Mei kept her barrier, but in a team with a slower initiative (individually and overall).
    I'm confused about that...
    Any other hypothesis ? This post was last edited by 114***@google at 2017-4-18 21:16
try with 4 ninjas, instead of just two
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On 2017-04-26 11:39:12Show this Author Only
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U still have initiative from ba even if u take all equip off
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