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1＃ Go ToHello everybody.Any of you guys any ideea about how we can manipulate the 5 nature in ninja tools so we get the wanted natures in order to get what stats we want, something like this:
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- DrDoo On 2017-01-25 02:43:39
- but it makes no sense....this game is all about maximizing the resources you got, and making that random is pure madness...the probabilities are too many, too freking many
lol you must hate the way the mood system works as well, I agree with you, making this stuff random on top of everything else is really petty -
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In the long run, what you would need to do is have multiple of each highest tier base tool, elemental all of them, select a set that have the best elemental benefit, use this set, upgrade their level by feeding your old tool set to them and then reforge them to the best secondary stats, in that exact order.
Having multiple of each is much more effective at coming up with a perfect alignment set than rerolling, Using a simple example of 3 of each of 2 tools, if you were doing rerolling, one will be rolled first and then the other to match it, which means 5 attempts(note total consuming 6 elemental stone, one is used on the fist tool). Whereas if you had 3 of each, there are 3x3=9 possible pairing, much more likely to have *ignment. This only gets better as it grow bigger because the combinations keep multiplying on the one side and merely add up on the other. -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-01-25 03:51:23
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In the long run, what you would need to do is have multiple of each highest tier ba
se tool, elemental all of them, select a set that have the best elemental benefit, use this set, upgrade their level by feeding your old tool set to them and then reforge them to the best secondary stats, in that exact order.
Having multiple of each is much more effective at coming up with a perfect alignment set than rerolling, Using a simple example of 3 of each of 2 tools, if you were doing rerolling, one will be rolled first and then the other to match it, which means 5 attempts(note total consuming 6 elemental stone, one is used on the fist tool). Whereas if you had 3 of each, there are 3x3=9 possible pairing, much more likely to have *ignment. This only gets better as it grow bigger because the combinations keep multiplying on the one side and merely add up on the other.
bro, you even math???there are 10 tools, each of the tool has 2-3 connection, each of those connections can be filled with 5 colors...there is a simple site wich i recomend http://www.calculatorsoup.com/ca ... cs/permutations.php
on this site you can simply calculate how many probabilities are(i got the number 27.625.770.144), now tell me how the hell am i supposed to get that many 5 nature runes, when i got 2 in the past 2 weeks... This post was last edited by 122***@facebook at 2017-1-25 08:21 -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-01-25 03:51:23
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In the long run, what you would need to do is have multiple of each highest tier ba
se tool, elemental all of them, select a set that have the best elemental benefit, use this set, upgrade their level by feeding your old tool set to them and then reforge them to the best secondary stats, in that exact order.
Having multiple of each is much more effective at coming up with a perfect alignment set than rerolling, Using a simple example of 3 of each of 2 tools, if you were doing rerolling, one will be rolled first and then the other to match it, which means 5 attempts(note total consuming 6 elemental stone, one is used on the fist tool). Whereas if you had 3 of each, there are 3x3=9 possible pairing, much more likely to have *ignment. This only gets better as it grow bigger because the combinations keep multiplying on the one side and merely add up on the other.
i do agree with you, in a way you are simplifing the math i did, and you say to start small, but still...it will take a loooooot of time till you will be able to * up more than 4-5 tools. -
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- DrDoo On 2017-01-25 08:22:35
- i do agree with you, in a way you are simplifing the math i did, and you say to start small, but still...it will take a loooooot of time till you will be able to * up more than 4-5 tools.
Not really, i already have all tools with nature and 40% of them linked. Now just in process of slowly li nking them all, can probably do 1 li nk more every week or two, depending on rng.
If you really got only got 2 runes in 50 runs(2 weeks) you have been very unlucky or not doing highest team instance currently available, because i have had 20~ since 2.0 came out. -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-01-25 03:51:23
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In the long run, what you would need to do is have multiple of each highest tier ba
se tool, elemental all of them, select a set that have the best elemental benefit, use this set, upgrade their level by feeding your old tool set to them and then reforge them to the best secondary stats, in that exact order.
Having multiple of each is much more effective at coming up with a perfect alignment set than rerolling, Using a simple example of 3 of each of 2 tools, if you were doing rerolling, one will be rolled first and then the other to match it, which means 5 attempts(note total consuming 6 elemental stone, one is used on the fist tool). Whereas if you had 3 of each, there are 3x3=9 possible pairing, much more likely to have *ignment. This only gets better as it grow bigger because the combinations keep multiplying on the one side and merely add up on the other.
Actually reforge should come before leveling as it gives more bp, until all items have 6 stats and the elemental resistances are replaced, etc. -
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- DrDoo On 2017-01-25 08:19:57
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bro, you even math???there are 10 tools, each of the tool has 2-3 connection, each of those connections can be filled with 5 colors...there is a simple site wich i recomend http://www.calculatorsoup.com/ca ... cs/permutations.php
on this site you can simply calculate how many probabilities are(i got the number 27.625.770.144), now tell me how the hell am i supposed to get that many 5 nature runes, when i got 2 in the past 2 weeks... This post was last edited by 122***@facebook at 2017-1-25 08:21
It doesn't matter how many combination there be, because there is a large number of acceptable combination, and they are made from very few different possible pieces.
There are only 20 possible state for corner pieces, and 60 possible state for non-corner pieces. If you have one of every state of every piece, you will be able to make all the combination.
The question is then, how much does it cost to get every single state?
That is the coupon collector's problem.
The expected amount of roll required to get all 20 state of something is 72 (see coupon collector's problem) while for 60 is 281. Therefore, the expected number of stones you need to have the full set is 1974.
But the fact of the matter is, even for an optional set where, for example, you want 5 attack, 5 nin and 3 other connections, you do not need to collect them all.
Fact of the matter is, for this combo, for example, there are only a few "important" combination--ones where both attack and nin show up on the stone. There are a large number of state that you simply don't care for. As such, while the important state can end up as the last one, it's not expected to be so for all of them. Chances are, you can find an optimal set with under 300-500 stones, provided that you keep every single piece that can be a potential solution (since there are, I believe, 270 solutions) -
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- On 2017-01-25 13:14:29
- Actually reforge should come before leveling as it gives more bp, until all items have 6 stats and the elemental resistances are replaced, etc.
Long story short, because you won't reforge just once.
Now, you can do your first reforge earlier, but in the long run, you will be doing likely 5 reforge per gear, and each subsequent reforge will be less and less meaningful. This is just like leveling, where the first time it eat 6 orange gear, it's going to gain half a dozen levels, but with each additional set eaten, it grows less and less. You can intermingle them but the final reforge will come last.
Besides, you can't START reforging until you collect a decent collection of them anyway. It would be a sad day for you to discover that NONE of the stat on your reforged gear was at the maximal... so at least 20, preferably 50 samples are needed before making your decision (have fun with your excel charts, I dunno about you, I keep one). Otherwise, instead of 5 reforges, you might end up with 10... -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-01-25 13:32:39
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Long story short, because you won't reforge just once.
Now, you can do your first reforge earlier, but in the long run, you will be doing likely 5 reforge per gear, and each subsequent reforge will be less and less meaningful. This is just like leveling, where the first time it eat 6 orange gear, it's going to gain half a dozen levels, but with each additional set eaten, it grows less and less. You can intermingle them but the final reforge will come last.
Besides, you can't START reforging until you collect a decent collection of them anyway. It would be a sad day for you to discover that NONE of the stat on your reforged gear was at the maximal... so at least 20, preferably 50 samples are needed before making your decision (have fun with your excel charts, I dunno about you, I keep one). Otherwise, instead of 5 reforges, you might end up with 10...
About reforge and stuff, are the tools we have now the best we can get, for a while atleast?
Reforging and using nature stone for long term planning sounds good, but what happens when the next set of tools are out?
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- Sourav On 2017-01-25 17:47:50
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About reforge and stuff, are the tools we have now the best we can get, for a while atleast?
Reforging and using nature stone for long term planning sounds good, but what happens when the next set of tools are out?
Do we start from square 1 again then ?
yes, thats why its better to upgrade ur tool at the moment, save the rest for later -
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- Dym On 2017-01-25 09:08:22
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Not really, i already have all tools with nature and 40% of them li
nked. Now just in process of slowly li nking them all, can probably do 1 li nk more every week or two, depending on rng.
If you really got only got 2 runes in 50 runs(2 weeks) you have been very unlucky or not doing highest team instance currently available, because i have had 20~ since 2.0 came out.
One of the two accounts that I run has actually been incredibly unlucky with gold stones. Hasn't even been able to complete the entire set yet, so it's very possible to be that unlucky. Only gotten 6, while my other one has gotten enough to "roll the dice" on them a few times over.
Also, to your "not doing the highest team instance" it seems to me that doing lower brothers rather than hard gives me more gold stones, since the one I mentioned with only 6 stones to date has been running hard since a few days into 2.0, or he's just that unlucky to not get any to show up. -
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- Niji On 2017-01-26 02:35:40
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One of the two accounts that I run has actually been incredibly unlucky with gold stones. Hasn't even been able to complete the entire set yet, so it's very possible to be that unlucky. Only gotten 6, while my other one has gotten enough to "roll the dice" on them a few times over.
Also, to your "not doing the highest team instance" it seems to me that doing lower brothers rather than hard gives me more gold stones, since the one I mentioned with only 6 stones to date has been running hard since a few days into 2.0, or he's just that unlucky to not get any to show up.
I see, on average, I believe more gold stone in the choices... but I have horrid luck at picking them.
I've gotten two in the last 20 or so runs, when I see on average at least one per run (note that while there are some with none, there are others with 3 to even it out), I hope this is just luck, which will even out in the long run as opposed to... well... you know...
I also missed red gourd six times.... that's annoying too... -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-01-26 04:04:15
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I see, on average, I believe more gold stone in the choices... but I have horrid luck at picking them.
I've gotten two in the last 20 or so runs, when I see on average at least one per run (note that while there are some with none, there are others with 3 to even it out), I hope this is just luck, which will even out in the long run as opposed to... well... you know...
I also missed red gourd six times.... that's annoying too...
Not even in the choices. I mean, when it does show up I usually miss it. But on Normal or Easy, I get at least 1 or 2 every pick but my other account gets 1 maybe once per 5 runs to show up and it's just sad. But that may just be the luck of that account. <:3_57:> Both of them can do hard, but I just do the other one with people in my group, since a lot of them need easy or normal. -
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