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- PraiseLuka On 2016-11-15 05:42:07
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1. It's a matter of opinion to color tools ba
sed on background or name color. However, the REAL difference lies with how many levels you can upgrade the tools, and thus far that's 3, 6, 12 and 18, which I consider to be green, blue, purple and gold, in line with more or less everything else. I know there are difference in tools with, for example, lv 12 cap, but those are minor, only a few point of fixed stat which can be easily dwarfed by the random portion of the stat. I don't consider those to be a tier as the difference is too small. This, along with the name color, is my rational to call them green, blue, purple, gold. What is your rational?
2&3. I know the earlier server have more people and thus more ptw so I'd be ranked lower. However, my point was that there is no objective evidence that "level freezing", and at that multiple ones contributed to what you have achieved and that high power/ranking can be achieved without freezing. Now that I know sage does have brackets, I will accept that freezing right before entering the next sage bracket could result in additional rewards. However, beyond that, there should be no benefit. Someone mentioned earlier on this thread that survival is ba sed on power, so level freezing isn't really helping there, good team compo is what makes the difference.
You mentioned that you have frozen 3 times, I do wonder what the sage bracketing were at those 3 specific time instance (as it probably wasn't always 70, especially when 70 was the cap). If it is just above the level at which you froze so you get sorted into the lower bracket(and is the top of that bracket), then it could have been beneficial. But otherwise, it seems to be a waste.
And finally, while you might have more power than me at 81, the difference might not be "all you". Part of the reason my power is "low" is because my max power team is one that I only use as a backup on masuri, thus mostly neglected and not properly mooded. Furthermore, while there are disadvantages to being in a populated server(fox dies faster thus less income for everyone, top sage bracket being hard etc), there are also advantages. Group development, for example, should be much easier for a populated server. My group, for example, just made level 9, so still only lv 8 skill. And that's including a 36m coin donation I've made personally. One tier of group skill, which I believe at least some of the group on your server should have achieved, could make a huge difference. And unless group policy dictates, I doubt that amount of donation is probably not required to get there, with the eight gates, that could be hundreds if not more power if I had kept half of it. And finally, by the time you are 81, I'd be 83, while the only thing there is an awakening and 2 level+cultivation, it might still make up the "higher at 81" difference. And except for sage brackets, the game won't care about the level so as far as power goes, it'd be an even match.
In any case, the question comes down to, did those freeze actually do anything themselves?
1.Do you not realize how much more significant the stats are on the red items from 80 are? Gold and red items are both able to be upgraded to 18, yes, but the stats on red are twice as much as the gold ones. So, no the big difference is not in how much you can upgrade them, but their stats that are on the items.
2. Survival is not power based. It is level ba sed. I know that because when I was level 40, they were always near my level even though I had way more power than anyone that showed up on my survival. So yes, it was incredibly beneficial.
3. And yes, when I froze at 56 they were at 70. There was a large enough base of players that each area of sage world were filled. We no longer have the gap in sage world and everyone from 83 to 40s are running it together.
4. Your power is not low because your max power team is one that you use as a backup. Your max power is low because of how you strengthen. It has nothing to do with what you use your max power team for. You really need to reevalute your playing strategy if you think your power is low because of what you use your max power team for. Your power will always be low if you only rely on your 5* team to give you power.
5. All of your other points, I'm already aware of because I have another account that will be 83 after ninetails. And of course, I know that the disadvantage to populated servers. Except ours isn't heavily populated anymore, it's just filled with really strong people. -
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- On 2016-11-15 05:55:05
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1.Do you not realize how much more significant the stats are on the red items from 80 are? Gold and red items are both able to be upgraded to 18, yes, but the stats on red are twice as much as the gold ones. So, no the big difference is not in how much you can upgrade them, but their stats that are on the items.
2. Survival is not power based. It is level ba sed. I know that because when I was level 40, they were always near my level even though I had way more power than anyone that showed up on my survival. So yes, it was incredibly beneficial.
3. And yes, when I froze at 56 they were at 70. There was a large enough base of players that each area of sage world were filled. We no longer have the gap in sage world and everyone from 83 to 40s are running it together.
4. Your power is not low because your max power team is one that you use as a backup. Your max power is low because of how you strengthen. It has nothing to do with what you use your max power team for. You really need to reevalute your playing strategy if you think your power is low because of what you use your max power team for. Your power will always be low if you only rely on your 5* team to give you power.
5. All of your other points, I'm already aware of because I have another account that will be 83 after ninetails. And of course, I know that the disadvantage to populated servers. Except ours isn't heavily populated anymore, it's just filled with really strong people.
1. The only lv 18 cap tools I've had are the 70 TI cane and 81 TI ones, I assume you are comparing with some ptw exclusives? I don't know their stats, do you have any link/examples? If what you say is true, then they might indeed be two different tiers.
2. I won't know since I never freezed etc. post #3 disagrees with you. Thou I find survival mostly easy, currently my server is on day 106, so ranking goes by # of clears of 105 days and I have 1210, so I've only ever missed 50 nodes worth. I probably could have done better in the very early days but meh... it's not much. Top ptw tend to be ahead in level as well, so wont be matched with either by power or level, so it can be passed with little trouble eitherway without freezing.
3. Why 56 then? won't mid 60s be better if the "bar" is at 70? Get more power and still stay in same brakcet?
4. Most strengthening applies to all teams so what you say is true, but mood and awaken doesn't. My max power team would had more powre if they were full awakened(I'm prioritizing pvp team and fox team, so still working on it) and if all mood scroll were used on them (only about 1/2 was, and that's counting the ones spent on main, which is 35% all in itself as it's the only one that will never be switched out). So my point is that if I simply went for max powre, I could have gotten another 3% or so more power, but it won't be useful.
I know I'm not "that" low on power, but I am aware of mistakes or choices I've made that cost me powre. Aside from the above not simply going for power bits:
I wasted 1.5k coupon on seal scroll when I was "young and foolish"
I choose to donate 36m to group (I knew gate was coming, eventually, still choose to...)
I'm a breeze and always stayed a breeze: this is a problem really, we are the last one to get guides for SA difficult, the ONLY class with no guide for lv 90 exam (personally at 99, but can't write guide since my team have sage naruto), I could probably pass 100 if I switched and used guides and passed the previous level earlier the same way but... And breeze was never the best choice for fox or pvp (ironically, some ppl claim water is op when it is the only element I've NEVER had a problem with, but I can't see anyone saying breeze op, so... yeah....)
So all in all, I'm sure in "ideal" conditons I could have gotten another 1k or so power.
Ofc, my power is not done growing yet as a 81, since I haven't gotten all the new tools, still missing blade and new mask and ring, and ofc all the new ones are only lv 13ish and no capped. I'd project a top ftp 81 w/o level freeze can go to 33-35k power so I'm quite a bit away from that.
PS: accidentally followed other links multiple times while attempting to fact check, had to re-write stuff multiple times as result, /life*s T_T -
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- PraiseLuka On 2016-11-15 05:02:32
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"2nd" doesn't say much as different server have different amount of ptw, how much damage do you do per minute (note, per minute, not per fight, some team do more damage but also takes longer, which may or may not increase your damage output overall)
I think I'm at 150-180k per minute w/o using any coupon, not entirely sure because I'm not 100% sure on how long the last fox lasted. I am higher level and powered thou, lv 81 with 29k on my fox team (rank says 30k, but I don't use that team for anything, my pvp team isn't even 29k yet, thou close)
And indeed, power isn't the end all be all of fox. Team compo is the most important, and some ptw ninja (iruka, hashirama) really helps, and then there is coupon/ingots. base boost of 30%(23% over 130% w/ coin boost) and another 10-15% boost with revive(depending on long each fight is).
At last but not least, mains matter. Water have a hard time while fire have significant advantage. Of course, which main works best might depend on your compo, for a ftp who uses yamato, earth might be a good choice whereas ptw with hashirama have no element restrictions.
Every attack i can do 240k damage with Main Breeze, Gnw tenten, Guy and Gaara. My server has alot of strong players but not enough players -
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Well your last paragraph is main reason why people freeze, on popular servers where there is more then one Sage War instance, people don't want to be in one with 50k power guy and 10 35k ones who have refines coming out of their ears and use 3 rare ninjas team.
So they see whats the max level for not going into top Sage tier is and stay under it. But if your server only has enough people for one Sage War instance then freezing is completely pointless. -
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- PraiseLuka On 2016-11-15 08:56:29
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1. The only lv 18 cap tools I've had are the 70 TI cane and 81 TI ones, I assume you are comparing with some ptw exclusives? I don't know their stats, do you have any li
nk/examples? If what you say is true, then they might indeed be two different tiers.
2. I won't know since I never freezed etc. post #3 disagrees with you. Thou I find survival mostly easy, currently my server is on day 106, so ranking goes by # of clears of 105 days and I have 1210, so I've only ever missed 50 nodes worth. I probably could have done better in the very early days but meh... it's not much. Top ptw tend to be ahead in level as well, so wont be matched with either by power or level, so it can be passed with little trouble eitherway without freezing.
3. Why 56 then? won't mid 60s be better if the "bar" is at 70? Get more power and still stay in same brakcet?
4. Most strengthening applies to all teams so what you say is true, but mood and awaken doesn't. My max power team would had more powre if they were full awakened(I'm prioritizing pvp team and fox team, so still working on it) and if all mood scroll were used on them (only about 1/2 was, and that's counting the ones spent on main, which is 35% all in itself as it's the only one that will never be switched out). So my point is that if I simply went for max powre, I could have gotten another 3% or so more power, but it won't be useful.
I know I'm not "that" low on power, but I am aware of mistakes or choices I've made that cost me powre. Aside from the above not simply going for power bits:
I wasted 1.5k coupon on seal scroll when I was "young and foolish"
I choose to donate 36m to group (I knew gate was coming, eventually, still choose to...)
I'm a breeze and always stayed a breeze: this is a problem really, we are the last one to get guides for SA difficult, the ONLY class with no guide for lv 90 exam (personally at 99, but can't write guide since my team have sage naruto), I could probably pass 100 if I switched and used guides and passed the previous level earlier the same way but... And breeze was never the best choice for fox or pvp (ironically, some ppl claim water is op when it is the only element I've NEVER had a problem with, but I can't see anyone saying breeze op, so... yeah....)
So all in all, I'm sure in "ideal" conditons I could have gotten another 1k or so power.
Ofc, my power is not done growing yet as a 81, since I haven't gotten all the new tools, still missing blade and new mask and ring, and ofc all the new ones are only lv 13ish and no capped. I'd project a top ftp 81 w/o level freeze can go to 33-35k power so I'm quite a bit away from that.
PS: accidentally followed other links multiple times while attempting to fact check, had to re-write stuff multiple times as result, /life*s T_T
1. White Snake Ring (Panic Buy Gold Necklace) is Defense 30/Resistance 25 while Golden Rope (81 Instance Necklace) is Defense 50/Resistance 45 so that is +20 to each stat. Also, from what I've noticed among both of my accounts is that the items from 81 instance have a much larger chance to give better bonus stats (i.e. all purple/stronger/+2 element resistance).
2. I froze at 56 honestly just so that I could collect all of the purple summons. Otherwise I would have just stayed at 50. There was absolutely no other reason for this. They weren't 70 when I started my freeze at 56, but them getting to 70 is one of the reasons I decided to move forward and just start leveling regularly.
3. The only thing I can really say for certain is that freezing my level helped me understand better all the ways to gain power to the fullest possible extent. A lot of the people in my server seemed to have rushed leveling up and neglected their power. So many 70-79 that are only 12-15k power. It's sad.
4. Breeze dancer really does have the bad end of the things right now. My friend is going through the same thing as a breeze dancer. She only shines at ninetails. She will get better when the game moderators decide to add 4th tier skills.
5. Yeah, you're right they can get to level 81 without freezing their level with around that power if they invest their coupons/coins in the right places. Which admittedly, would be a lot easier now with the 8 gates chakra system. My biggest mistake was wasting all of my coupons on refines when there were events to gain power soon after. This post was last edited by Niji at 2016-11-15 11:40
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